Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Thanks for the great advice, Roe. Your menu sounds yoummy. Love, Trace in Va. Beach, VA Dr. Schechner, Norfolk and Va. Beach, VA Open RNY -- 9/5/02 Height -- 5' 9 1/2 " Starting weight -- 351.2 Current weight -- 316 Minus -- 35 pounds gone! Gal. 2:20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Hello Everyone: Just thought I'd put in my two cents worth here. I get 60 grams of protein from food every day. I guess I'm lucky because I'm able to eat 3/4's of a cup of food. This is what I ususally do. In the morning I have 3/4's of a cup of no fat or light cottage cheese. That's 20 grams. For lunch I eat some type of fish mixed with light mayo. My favorite is crab. I also use tuna because it's less expensive but I don't like it as much. Most 3 oz. portions of fish and meat are about 20 grams of protein each. For dinner I usually have a small salad and another 3 oz. of fish or meat. I mix a protein drink called Isopure with my water and that is another 40 grams of protein and it also counts toward the 64 oz. of water we're supposed to be getting a day. I also buy protein cake. It is a piece of cake that tastes like pound cake. It comes in various flavors. It has 121 calories, 4 carbs and 21 grams of protein. Sometimes I switch between that and the protein drink. I also try to eat some fruit and raw veggies during the day if I can. So, by my count I'm getting any where between 90 and 100 grams of protein a day. I bought a book called " The Protein Counter " by Annette B Natow and Jo-Ann Heslin. I think I got it in Waldon Books but I'm not sure. It's a good investment for anyone having problems getting in all of their protein. As I said most meat and fish seem to have around 20 grams of protein per 3 ounces. Fish is much easier going down because it's less dense than meat. So, maybe some of you will be able to eat more than 3 ounces of fish and get in more of your protein. I hope this helps. Roe > Glad that it is working for you. It does not work for many. You made the excellent point that you have to keep an eye out, watch what you choose to eat and therefore make changes in your choices. > > What does your daily diet look like? Just curious. I have not been able to find anything food wise, that would give me enough protein to meet my needs every day, in the small quanities I eat. So please enlighten me. I need 90 grams of protein a day, prefferably 120 grams. That is what I need to feel the best. > > Romero > Louisiana > 381/289/160 > Lap RNY 5-29-2002 > FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us > > > I beg to differ. > > I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. > > We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! > > ~Debra > Lap RNY 8/28/02 > -32 Lbs!!! > Dr Fisher, Las Vegas > doc/nutritionists > > > Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. > > That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. > > Romero > Louisiana > 381/289/160 > Lap RNY 5-29-2002 > FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Thank you again. Re: doc/nutritionists > Sheri: > > I don't recall saying that I was going to wait for labs to drop before making changes. > > You know, I was really offended by both your and Theresa's responses at first and was ready to fire back a caustic email.....but that would be non productive. Thank you for your concern > > ~Debra > Dr Fisher, Las Vegas Debra, Sorry you were offended. I did not intend to offend, only to share a concern that I have about your perspective. This journey we are on is like exploring new territory. While there are many wonderous things to appreciate as we travel, there are also many treacherous pitfalls. And as when any new territory is explored, there aren't allot of accurate maps to guide us along the way. That's why I choose to follow the advice and information provided by those who have gone before me - they are willing to share what has worked well, as well as the pitfalls they encountered and ways to avoid those. I mentioned B.'s story and saw that she shared some of her experience with you in a recent post. There are many others who have had similar experiences, but 's is so recent and dramatic that it really stands out in my mind. I feel I can learn so much from her and the others who are many years out. My enthusiasm about learning from them leads me to want to share their information with others just starting the journey. Certainly we each have to make our own decisions about the exact path we will travel on our journey. I wish you only the best of luck and health in your travels. Sheri In Sunny Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dalindass@... writes: > karen i would like to try them can i get them from a local store instead of > ordering them through the mail. Do you have a GNC or Discount Nutrition? You could go there. Where abouts are you at? B Folsom, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Hey, Roe. That's great for " normies " , however, bypassed patients are just that " bypassed " . Part of the intenstine that provides much of the breaking up of the food proteins has been bypassed, therefore, you don't have the acids to break down with the proteins from food in order for the food proteins to be absorbed. Thus, eventually your body will know it. However, it may be a gradual process, and our minds are so strong, that we just feel bad, but not bad enough to see the doc, and we just keep thinking we're fine. Then one day (and it may be years down the line) we crash. Crashing is no fun. It is a huge loss of income when your doc says " no work for 3 plus months " because you're really too weak to work, but you don't realize it, cuz your mind says this is how you are supposed to feel. How are your muscles? How far out are you from surgery? Are you flabby? That's called " muscle wasting " . I kept saying for about 2 years " I need to tone " ...........can't tone damaged muscles, you got to FEED them with protein - predigested is more readily absorbed, however, it has still taken me since February of 150 grams of protein supplements (not including the food proteins) to get to a 7.0 (still not even at preop stage yet). Good luck, and hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Debra, We are all here to learn. That is what is so kewl about this list and our shared commonalities. There is not a day goes by that I don't say a pray for everyone here. It is not an easy journey, as some would like us to believe. It is difficult at times, easy at times, but most of the time, somewhere in the middle. And there is not one person who has all the answers. We each have info to share, experiences to share, learn from, and that's what is the best. We don't all always agree, but in those circumstances there is a saying that I try to live by. It is: People do not care how much you know until they know how much you care. Words for me to live by........ Hugs, Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us , I must say yours was the most diplomatic reply I received and I thank you for that. I know I'm not getting 90 grams per day, you're right you can't eating 9-12oz per day, but I do eat proteins first, veggies, fruit later....I am confident in my ability to listen to my body and at the first hint of something unusual will be checking into extra protein. Our surgeon believes we can get what we need from our food, I don't believe this is always true either, in fact, that's why I'm here, to LEARN. ~Debra doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 , This was a kewl way of saying that. It really gets the point across. Your such a sweetie Hugs, Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Actually, I know you're feeing picked on a bit. Look at it this way. To these girls who are seeing real live people get sick, you are like a toddler headed into the street. What's happening is that you have 20 moms all running at you at once to snatch you out of harm's way. I think that's why you feel overwhelmed. For those of us who've seen the result of incomplete nutritional plans, we all get tense when we see it headed that way. If you know what I mean? m Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 HI ROE WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR PROTEIN DRINK FROM? AND BY THE WAY IM PRAYING FOR YOU GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOUR TEST COME BACK OK GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS DOLLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 IM IN ALABAMA AND WE DO HAVE A GNC AT THE MALL ILL GIVE THEM A TRY TODAY . MAYBE I CAN GET SOMEONE THERE TO DIRECT ME TO THEM THANKS DOLLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 OK, please teach me.... Labs Preop -4/2/02 Preop - 5/21/02 Preop - 8/15/02 6 Wks Post - 10/8/02 This was Thyroid Testing Total Protein - 6.8 7.4 N/A 6.8 Albumin - 3.8 4.0 N/A 4.6 B 12 - 262 N/A N/A 396 Hemoglobin 11.6 12.8 12.9 13.6 Calcium 8.8 9.3 N/A 9.3 My GGTP is always high.....even before, levels are: 80, 87 (pre) and now 51 (post op), that started years ago, anything to fix that? What other numbers should I be concerned with? Usually Doc seems to do a pretty complete blood work up......Uric Acid has gone up....Potassium is low normal....Cholesterol low - 139, but Triglycerides high at 149....what is VLDL? What are Folate and Ferritin? I'm taking Trinsicon 2Xday.......Calcium Citrate 1200mg Daily, 4 Chewable Centrums Daily, Urso 2Xday for gall bladder, Flax Seed Oil Big capsule 2x day......plus protein from food only. What else? Thank you! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -30 Lbs!!! Dr. Fisher, Las Vegas Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 April, I'm having a little trouble lining up your columns in the email, but I see a 7.4 for protein, and a 6.8 now, is that correct? In that case, hon, you HAVE to start doing protein shakes as it proves your body is not absorbing protein from food. Hon, you cannot possibly be eating enough protein in order to get those levels up. If I'm wrong, please let me know. Ferritin is where our body stores it's iron. When that gets low, it's cuz the hemaglobin is " stealing " from it (the " warehouse " ) in order to keep it's levels up. When I crashed, my ferritin was 2, virtually no iron left. My hemaglobin was 7, should be at least 12 (now is 12.2) Low protein also affects your iron levels too, so be very watchful. Take care! B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Hm, B12 WAS 262 and then not retested? Spacing is all messed up, so I am assuming the first # is pre & 2nd number is later? I would think your B12 shoulda started you on shots back then. Anything under 300 makes me very nervous. Where is ferritin? Did you get " iron " as in " iron " ? Vit A, D, and zinc? More calc citrate. Which brand? m Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Wait. You're not saying you have a sis who's a Fox distal (like me) and she takes no protein, right? When was she done?? m Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 OK,I think I fixed the numbers.....the first three sets are PRE Op - Last is 6 weeks post op....B12 now 396 - Will supply Ferritin level, forgot paperwork, tomorrow....Thanks for looking and advising! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -30 Lbs!!! Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Yes, last November Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Hi Dolly: Thanks for your kind words. GNC sells Isopure. It's made from whey and comes in various fruit flavors. My personal fav is apple mellon. Hope you find it. Roe > HI ROE WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR PROTEIN DRINK FROM? AND BY THE WAY IM PRAYING > FOR YOU GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOUR TEST COME BACK OK GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS DOLLY > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Hi : Now I'm totally confused. If I understand correctly, you're saying that 60 grams of protein (what all of the nutritionists are preaching) is not enough. Great!!!! and here I thought I was doing so well. In answer to your question about flab. Yes I'm so flabby my bones actually are killing me! I have a hard time sitting and sleeping because my bones protrude and have no more protection. I'm 6 months out and down 90 pounds. What is a normal protein level? I'm going to my Doctor in November and I'll have her do all of the tests and also have her compare them with previous tests. I'm so glad I started coming to this site. It could save your life. I had never heard of crashing before now. Thanks for caring and sharing. Roe > Hey, Roe. > > That's great for " normies " , however, bypassed patients are just that > " bypassed " . Part of the intenstine that provides much of the breaking up of > the food proteins has been bypassed, therefore, you don't have the acids to > break down with the proteins from food in order for the food proteins to be > absorbed. Thus, eventually your body will know it. However, it may be a > gradual process, and our minds are so strong, that we just feel bad, but not > bad enough to see the doc, and we just keep thinking we're fine. Then one > day (and it may be years down the line) we crash. Crashing is no fun. It is > a huge loss of income when your doc says " no work for 3 plus months " because > you're really too weak to work, but you don't realize it, cuz your mind says > this is how you are supposed to feel. How are your muscles? How far out are > you from surgery? Are you flabby? That's called " muscle wasting " . I kept > saying for about 2 years " I need to tone " ...........can't tone damaged > muscles, you got to FEED them with protein - predigested is more readily > absorbed, however, it has still taken me since February of 150 grams of > protein supplements (not including the food proteins) to get to a 7.0 (still > not even at preop stage yet). > > Good luck, and hugs to you. > > B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I also went to a nutritionist who didn't know " squat " . 60 grams of protein is for " normies " . If you are doing 60 grams of protein from food a day, and you are bypassed (proximal, medial, distal RNY), then you MAY be absorbing 1-20 grams of that. However, if you were taking 60 g of protein SUPPLEMENTS in the form of shakes, then the chances of you absorbing more is very great. 60 grams of protein in supplement shakes is a good start, depending on how much you are bypassed, however, I need (and my doc requires) 120-150 grams a day, 120 g even for proximals. I would go to www.vitalady.com. She has also had surgery, 8 years out, and knows her proteins. Of course, if she had her way, everything would be chocolate! LOL B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Don't have her compare them to earlier tests. YOU compare them to earlier tests. As long as they fall within the normal range, she'll say they're fine. Pam in Niceville preop Lap RNY 11/20/02 Re: doc/nutritionists Hi : Now I'm totally confused. If I understand correctly, you're saying that 60 grams of protein (what all of the nutritionists are preaching) is not enough. Great!!!! and here I thought I was doing so well. In answer to your question about flab. Yes I'm so flabby my bones actually are killing me! I have a hard time sitting and sleeping because my bones protrude and have no more protection. I'm 6 months out and down 90 pounds. What is a normal protein level? I'm going to my Doctor in November and I'll have her do all of the tests and also have her compare them with previous tests. I'm so glad I started coming to this site. It could save your life. I had never heard of crashing before now. Thanks for caring and sharing. Roe > Hey, Roe. > > That's great for " normies " , however, bypassed patients are just that > " bypassed " . Part of the intenstine that provides much of the breaking up of > the food proteins has been bypassed, therefore, you don't have the acids to > break down with the proteins from food in order for the food proteins to be > absorbed. Thus, eventually your body will know it. However, it may be a > gradual process, and our minds are so strong, that we just feel bad, but not > bad enough to see the doc, and we just keep thinking we're fine. Then one > day (and it may be years down the line) we crash. Crashing is no fun. It is > a huge loss of income when your doc says " no work for 3 plus months " because > you're really too weak to work, but you don't realize it, cuz your mind says > this is how you are supposed to feel. How are your muscles? How far out are > you from surgery? Are you flabby? That's called " muscle wasting " . I kept > saying for about 2 years " I need to tone " ...........can't tone damaged > muscles, you got to FEED them with protein - predigested is more readily > absorbed, however, it has still taken me since February of 150 grams of > protein supplements (not including the food proteins) to get to a 7.0 (still > not even at preop stage yet). > > Good luck, and hugs to you. > > B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Roe - Where do you buy your protein cakes? Jeanne in WI Age 39 Open RNY 05/21/2002 314/ 248.5/150-175 5' 8 " djgraves@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Hi Jeanne: I get the protein cakes at a store called Champ Nutrition in Northeast Philadelphia. I don't know where you live, so I'll give you the number that's on the cake itself. Maybe you can order directly through them. The number is . Good luck and let me know how you make out. Roe > Roe - Where do you buy your protein cakes? > > Jeanne in WI > Age 39 > Open RNY 05/21/2002 > 314/ 248.5/150-175 > 5' 8 " > djgraves@c... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 HI ROE HOPE YOUR FEELING FINE THANKS FOR THE NAME OF THE PROTEIN I REALLY APPRICATE IT VERY MUCH WELL TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS DOLLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Dr. Fox's patients know better than to go without protein shakes. I was just revised to a distal by Dr. Oh, who has worked with Dr. Fox (they assist in each other's surgeries I guess) for a long time. If your sister is a Dr. Fox distal and not using protein shakes, that's just plain dangerous and goes completely against what she was taught by him. From what I understand, Dr. Fox has his patients sign a form agreeing to use protein shakes FOR LIFE before he will agree to operate on them. Dr. Oh had me sign this, as well as a statement saying that I understand the risks and possible malnutrition problems of a distal bypass and how to make sure I don't go there. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Dr. Fox transferred her to Dr. Fisher, who doesn't believe in supplements. ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 Dr. Barry Fisher, Las Vegas -34 Lbs!!! Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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