Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I beg to differ. I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -32 Lbs!!! Dr Fisher, Las Vegas doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I have a friend that had the surgery done approx 7 months ago she has lost all but 7 lbs of her goal she is shorter than i and weighed less but she doesn't do protein she doesn't eat right, far and in between takes her vitamins and she looks like ***t point blank and she saw the doc he says on you look greak keep up the great work NO BLOOD has been drawn since day one, i have talked with her and i have pleaded with her i can't take blood from a turnip She has me worried for her life I can just tell she is sick but do you think this dr would notice those signs NO NO NO!!! LEt me do the surgery on him please oh please may I!~ And the nutritionist of ours great personallity but crappy on nutrition she doesn't have the first clue. Oh sure drink plenty of Juice. OOOOOOOOOh one of the new surgerons told a gal friend sure you can drink Diet Coke its fine for you!!!!!! I double 's UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!~ Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I know why those docs don't do blood work. They don't want to know. That is just plain sick. I have a friend who is 18 months out, recently had her TT, and she and her doc are so darn proud that she is the " smallest " patient he has. She showed me the incision for the TT and her hip bones stick out a good 2 inches each. She looks like an ad for starving folks in some 3rd world country. Her hair has almost all fallen out. He health is in the toilet. They blame that on the fact she has hep C. Found that out AFTER surgery when they did post surgery blood work. HELLO...... ARGH. She gets maybe, on a really good day, 20 grams of protein. BUT...... she is now getting protein in, (thank you you know who you are) and she is beginning to get some color in her face and her hair has stopped falling, Isn't much at all left though. I just wonder what type of long term damage she will have from being so malnurished for long. It scares me. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us I have a friend that had the surgery done approx 7 months ago she has lost all but 7 lbs of her goal she is shorter than i and weighed less but she doesn't do protein she doesn't eat right, far and in between takes her vitamins and she looks like ***t point blank and she saw the doc he says on you look greak keep up the great work NO BLOOD has been drawn since day one, i have talked with her and i have pleaded with her i can't take blood from a turnip She has me worried for her life I can just tell she is sick but do you think this dr would notice those signs NO NO NO!!! LEt me do the surgery on him please oh please may I!~ And the nutritionist of ours great personallity but crappy on nutrition she doesn't have the first clue. Oh sure drink plenty of Juice. OOOOOOOOOh one of the new surgerons told a gal friend sure you can drink Diet Coke its fine for you!!!!!! I double 's UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!~ Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I Do not Think that we were implying that you, your sister or anyone else is stupid. I believe we are talking about the dr's not understanding how the surgery fully works. SOME not all SOME just go in do the surgery and send you on your marry way. If getting your protein and nutrition from food works, then that's wonderful But personally it doesn't work for me even getting in 3 meals a day. I don't understand how someone does get enough protein in eating 3 - 2 oz, 1 oz, 4 oz meals but that doesn't make me stupid either. IF you do not understand about nutrition then one doesn't know what to look for with in their levels. Then one can't PAY ATTENTION to themselves. So what ever works for that individual. Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Re: doc/nutritionists I beg to differ. I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -32 Lbs!!! Dr Fisher, Las Vegas - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Glad that it is working for you. It does not work for many. You made the excellent point that you have to keep an eye out, watch what you choose to eat and therefore make changes in your choices. What does your daily diet look like? Just curious. I have not been able to find anything food wise, that would give me enough protein to meet my needs every day, in the small quanities I eat. So please enlighten me. I need 90 grams of protein a day, prefferably 120 grams. That is what I need to feel the best. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us I beg to differ. I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -32 Lbs!!! Dr Fisher, Las Vegas doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 >>select the organs you don't need & I'll tell you which pills to skip. As always, straight to the point and excellently put. Trace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Theresa: No one was implying that ANYONE was stupid. What was meant was we are INFORMED and keeping close eyes on our health. If I wasn't interested in staying healthy, I wouldn't have taken this particular step in the first place! Perhaps the difference we're seeing is being new to this. I can assure you that I won't blindly follow a doctor if I don't FEEL GREAT all the time! Never have, never will. One of the reasons I joined these groups was to become more informed on all the new issues that effect my life. I thank you for your response. ~Debra Dr Fisher, Las Vegas Re: doc/nutritionists I beg to differ. I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! ~Debra Lap RNY 8/28/02 -32 Lbs!!! Dr Fisher, Las Vegas - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Sheri: I don't recall saying that I was going to wait for labs to drop before making changes. You know, I was really offended by both your and Theresa's responses at first and was ready to fire back a caustic email.....but that would be non productive. Thank you for your concern ~Debra Dr Fisher, Las Vegas Re: doc/nutritionists > I beg to differ. I am 6 weeks post op and my sister is 9 months out....both get our protein from food, not supplements, and both have EXCELLENT labs, so far. We are not stupid, however, if the need arises and we don't get enough from our food, we will make the necessary changes. But point being it IS possible to get your protein from food if you PAY ATTENTION to yourself! ~Debra<<< I am glad to see that you and your sister have excellent labs SO FAR. But neither of you are very far post op. The concern that I see with your philosophy of waiting for the labs to drop before you make changes is that by that time, it may be very difficult to recoup. I just keep thinking of B.'s story about how she was sure that she was getting enough protein from food and got into serious trouble medically (after several years) - and is still trying to recover. It is my understanding that when your body does not have sufficient protein, it begins using the protein from some muscles and organs to compensate. That can be dangerous. 's situation is enough to convince me that it isn't worth the risk to try to get all my protein through food when there is such an easy way to get high quality, predigested protein that our body can easily use to keep us healthy. Sheri In Sunny Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 , I must say yours was the most diplomatic reply I received and I thank you for that. I know I'm not getting 90 grams per day, you're right you can't eating 9-12oz per day, but I do eat proteins first, veggies, fruit later....I am confident in my ability to listen to my body and at the first hint of something unusual will be checking into extra protein. Our surgeon believes we can get what we need from our food, I don't believe this is always true either, in fact, that's why I'm here, to LEARN. ~Debra doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 have any of you tried doing nuts for protein? I don't take protein shakes either but i do snack on nuts and as far as my blood work my protein was just a little low maybe those of you that don't take protein drinks or that do can try them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m RE: doc/nutritionists I have a friend that had the surgery done approx 7 months ago she has lost all but 7 lbs of her goal she is shorter than i and weighed less but she doesn't do protein she doesn't eat right, far and in between takes her vitamins and she looks like ***t point blank and she saw the doc he says on you look greak keep up the great work NO BLOOD has been drawn since day one, i have talked with her and i have pleaded with her i can't take blood from a turnip She has me worried for her life I can just tell she is sick but do you think this dr would notice those signs NO NO NO!!! LEt me do the surgery on him please oh please may I!~ And the nutritionist of ours great personallity but crappy on nutrition she doesn't have the first clue. Oh sure drink plenty of Juice. OOOOOOOOOh one of the new surgerons told a gal friend sure you can drink Diet Coke its fine for you!!!!!! I double 's UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!~ Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 One person asked me , of the vites recommended, which did she HAVE to take. I just cheerfully said, select the organs you don't need & I'll tell you which pills to skip. And I mean it. m Re: doc/nutritionists I know why those docs don't do blood work. They don't want to know. That is just plain sick. I have a friend who is 18 months out, recently had her TT, and she and her doc are so darn proud that she is the " smallest " patient he has. She showed me the incision for the TT and her hip bones stick out a good 2 inches each. She looks like an ad for starving folks in some 3rd world country. Her hair has almost all fallen out. He health is in the toilet. They blame that on the fact she has hep C. Found that out AFTER surgery when they did post surgery blood work. HELLO...... ARGH. She gets maybe, on a really good day, 20 grams of protein. BUT...... she is now getting protein in, (thank you you know who you are) and she is beginning to get some color in her face and her hair has stopped falling, Isn't much at all left though. I just wonder what type of long term damage she will have from being so malnurished for long. It scares me. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us I have a friend that had the surgery done approx 7 months ago she has lost all but 7 lbs of her goal she is shorter than i and weighed less but she doesn't do protein she doesn't eat right, far and in between takes her vitamins and she looks like ***t point blank and she saw the doc he says on you look greak keep up the great work NO BLOOD has been drawn since day one, i have talked with her and i have pleaded with her i can't take blood from a turnip She has me worried for her life I can just tell she is sick but do you think this dr would notice those signs NO NO NO!!! LEt me do the surgery on him please oh please may I!~ And the nutritionist of ours great personallity but crappy on nutrition she doesn't have the first clue. Oh sure drink plenty of Juice. OOOOOOOOOh one of the new surgerons told a gal friend sure you can drink Diet Coke its fine for you!!!!!! I double 's UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!~ Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 In a message dated 10/12/2002 7:00:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dalindass@... writes: > don't take protein shakes > either but i do snack on nuts and as far as my blood work my protein was > just > a little low maybe those of you that don't take protein drinks or that do > can > try them > > I would really suggest you get on the protein shakes immediately. If you are already showing low protein blood levels, that means your muscles are being affected. ARe you flabbier than you usually were? How is your strength? The nuts are a good source of protein for a snack, and for 10 g of protein, you are probably absorbing 1-2 g. You cannot eat enough protein food to get your levels back up. It took me since February to get my levels back up doing 150 grams of protein supplemets a day, and I'm finally ALMOST where I should be. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 My cardio gets going ever time I see her pale face, sunken eyes, anemic body, and weak limbs. I wish it was just all make up stories... But swear by the all might PS 100 Choc.~ Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Re: doc/nutritionists You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Debra, By the time you " feel something " or your labs slip below the normal level it will probably be way too late to correct it easily. Look at you pre-op labs and your latest labs and have your sister do the same. Are your protein levels lower than they were pre-op? If they're dropping, you need to start supplementing NOW and not wait until they've dropped far enough to alarm your doctor. Doctors generally only look to see that they're in the normal range. That's not good enough for us because it's so difficult to get out of protein deficiency. Please. For your health and your sister's health, just look at your labs. Looking won't hurt. Your surgeon knows how to cut - as all of our surgeons do - they DON'T know nutrition though, which is why it's up to us to take charge of our own health. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Dual noted Debra and that's why I'm still here to learn even being 15 months out its never to late to learn more and new things. :0) Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 THANK YOU for your kind words and warnings. I will check into everything you say..... My sister is Distal, I am Proximal....I'm sure that must make some differences between us? Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Debra, I meant no harm in what I said or what my intentions were. I was merely stating my own feelings about the topic at hand. I was more directing my comments to the Dr's not the individuals. I am sorry if you took great advance to what I was stating. I believe that what works for one may not work for the other I have always stood by that and always will. As for me I will apolize again for offending anyone, everyone who knows me knows that I never say anything to hurt anyone's feelings!!! And with that for ME the topic is close. Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Re: doc/nutritionists Sheri: I don't recall saying that I was going to wait for labs to drop before making changes. You know, I was really offended by both your and Theresa's responses at first and was ready to fire back a caustic email.....but that would be non productive. Thank you for your concern ~Debra Dr Fisher, Las Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other than the protein level? doc/nutritionists Theresa makes a great point. It frustrates me so badly when doc do this surgery, and then tell patients to get their protein from their food, Eat 2-3 small meals a day. Honestly...... they would have to take in massive quanities of protein to do that. It is impossible. That is what gives this surgery any bad rap it gets. IT's not the surgery, it;s the followup care that fails miserbly. Romero Louisiana 381/289/160 Lap RNY 5-29-2002 FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I just sent the BV list again. Please note where nuts are on the list. There's nothing wrong with nuts at all. But counting them as protein is kinda a Loooooooong reach. I consider them a " safe snack " . They have more calcium, actually, than absorbable protein. Amazing, huh? m Re: doc/nutritionists have any of you tried doing nuts for protein? I don't take protein shakes either but i do snack on nuts and as far as my blood work my protein was just a little low maybe those of you that don't take protein drinks or that do can try them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 HOW distal? What I call Dangerously Distal, like & me? Or distal by national standards? Actually, I know you're feeing picked on a bit. Look at it this way. To these girls who are seeing real live people get sick, you are like a toddler headed into the street. What's happening is that you have 20 moms all running at you at once to snatch you out of harm's way. I think that's why you feel overwhelmed. For those of us who've seen the result of incomplete nutritional plans, we all get tense when we see it headed that way. If you know what I mean? m Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 karen i would like to try them can i get them from a local store instead of ordering them through the mail. i really am getting scared i dont want to have any other health problems i have three little ones that need their mommy for them 24/7. i looked at wal-mart but wasnt sure the ones they had there were any good. i know my doctor said i didnt need them but i dont want to chance getting something wrong with my organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 you see i didnt know now i do thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 > Sheri: > > I don't recall saying that I was going to wait for labs to drop before making changes. > > You know, I was really offended by both your and Theresa's responses at first and was ready to fire back a caustic email.....but that would be non productive. Thank you for your concern > > ~Debra > Dr Fisher, Las Vegas Debra, Sorry you were offended. I did not intend to offend, only to share a concern that I have about your perspective. This journey we are on is like exploring new territory. While there are many wonderous things to appreciate as we travel, there are also many treacherous pitfalls. And as when any new territory is explored, there aren't allot of accurate maps to guide us along the way. That's why I choose to follow the advice and information provided by those who have gone before me - they are willing to share what has worked well, as well as the pitfalls they encountered and ways to avoid those. I mentioned B.'s story and saw that she shared some of her experience with you in a recent post. There are many others who have had similar experiences, but 's is so recent and dramatic that it really stands out in my mind. I feel I can learn so much from her and the others who are many years out. My enthusiasm about learning from them leads me to want to share their information with others just starting the journey. Certainly we each have to make our own decisions about the exact path we will travel on our journey. I wish you only the best of luck and health in your travels. Sheri In Sunny Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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