Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 Thanks . I'll include Wuthnow on my reading list. I can't see a war in the horizon either, but then I'm not sure I can see anything but serious quakes, and I do think nobody is in control. The present situation cannot prevail for long, though. Bjørn Re: Spirituality...> >> Hello,> >> > Your argument logically suggests that, had Rita been a German> living in> > Germany in the 1930s, she should have just tried to do her job.> After all,> > there have always been evil governments, so why oppose the Nazis.> That is> > what most Germans did.>> Your argument logically suggests that the current situation in the> United States is similar to pre-Nazi Germany. While I am sure that> there were many people who were in a great deal of "denial" about what> was happening there (their neighbors being shipped away en masse for> example)...I truly do not see that the current situation is similar.> Therefore, these types of arguments strike me as the vainest> *HYPERBOLE*! In fact, much, much, worse than the metaphor of "soul> rape" or "brainwashing" that you object to so strenuously. (I hope> most of you can see that this is a huge *understatment* and that I> actually feel much more strongly about it).>> Can you back up the comparison? Other people have given reasonable> explanations for their choice of words. You haven't.>> Also, a huge tactic that XA uses is to demean people's experiences> because there is always the greater suffering somewhere.>> This is the same thing you are doing. Your story is more dramatic,> more vital, more...more...more! Therefore, everyone else's efforts> are just paltry, small, etc. But what you don't seem to be getting,> in your near-perfect arrogance, is that not all people can be for all> causes, and your idea of importance may not be universally shared.> Things *are* relative. For someone recovering from an injury, walking> might be a great accomplishment. Most other people have the luxury to> take it for granted.>> You are taking a hell of a lot for granted. I'm so glad you have the> *freedom* to fight for your causes.>> Hicks>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Wuthnow is a conservative believer. But the statistical material is interesting. (The U.S. does not have a religion census; Canada does. Does Denmark?) A few of interpretations are interesting. The section on 'telling stories' is ok. Most of his interpretation, though, is weak. It is the raw data that is important. ---- Original Message ----- From: Bjørn To: 12-step-free Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re: Spirituality... Thanks . I'll include Wuthnow on my reading list. I can't see a war in the horizon either, but then I'm not sure I can see anything but serious quakes, and I do think nobody is in control. The present situation cannot prevail for long, though. Bjørn Re: Spirituality...> >> Hello,> >> > Your argument logically suggests that, had Rita been a German> living in> > Germany in the 1930s, she should have just tried to do her job.> After all,> > there have always been evil governments, so why oppose the Nazis.> That is> > what most Germans did.>> Your argument logically suggests that the current situation in the> United States is similar to pre-Nazi Germany. While I am sure that> there were many people who were in a great deal of "denial" about what> was happening there (their neighbors being shipped away en masse for> example)...I truly do not see that the current situation is similar.> Therefore, these types of arguments strike me as the vainest> *HYPERBOLE*! In fact, much, much, worse than the metaphor of "soul> rape" or "brainwashing" that you object to so strenuously. (I hope> most of you can see that this is a huge *understatment* and that I> actually feel much more strongly about it).>> Can you back up the comparison? Other people have given reasonable> explanations for their choice of words. You haven't.>> Also, a huge tactic that XA uses is to demean people's experiences> because there is always the greater suffering somewhere.>> This is the same thing you are doing. Your story is more dramatic,> more vital, more...more...more! Therefore, everyone else's efforts> are just paltry, small, etc. But what you don't seem to be getting,> in your near-perfect arrogance, is that not all people can be for all> causes, and your idea of importance may not be universally shared.> Things *are* relative. For someone recovering from an injury, walking> might be a great accomplishment. Most other people have the luxury to> take it for granted.>> You are taking a hell of a lot for granted. I'm so glad you have the> *freedom* to fight for your causes.>> Hicks>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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