Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Hi , I think your other intro did post. One thing I have noticed is that sometimes there isn't a response if everyone sort of nods their heads from the other side of the screen, knowing that similar things have occurred to many here. Anyway, thanks for posting and welcome to the group, disorganized herd of cats that it is... > Hi, I sent an intro out to the group earlier in the week but I dont believe > it got posted. > > My name is and I am 41 yrs. old. I have been in & out of 12 step > programs for several yrs. When I 1st joined, about 11 yrs ago, I found a > place where I finally felt I fit in. I was without any self esteem, > confidence, or sense of my own identity. I really thrived in the group for > about 4 yrs. > > I have to say at that time in my life it was a big help to me & the support > I received helped me to get to be the person I am today. I did find after > awhile that I was wrestling with my ability to fit in. It just no longer > felt beneficial to me. Not that I was no longer looking for help, but what > they had to offer in those rooms was no longer what I needed. I began to > feel bad about myself for this - I tried to go back several times, but each > time I left feeling more disilusioned than before. I thought I had lost my > faith. What you have written here is so familiar to me! Except, that I have lost my faith in GAWEH and do not claim to be spiritual. However, the rewms did have a place in my life and a time when they seemed to help me. That seems very distant now. I don't know if I would or wouldn't be the same person I am today without AA, as I have no alternate reality to compare it to. > > I am a very spiritual person today, but I am no longer the person I was when > I went into those halls. I do feel it was right for me then, but I had to > struggle a long time within myself to realize that it was okay that it didnt > work for me anymore. My needs were different - I had grown to a point where > I was comfortable with myself and began to feel some things about program > that didnt sit right with me. > > One issue I could no longer resolve was the adamant belief that " everything > happens for a reason, " . I recently wrote a letter to my old sponsor of 10 > yrs ago & asked him these questions that bothered me so. I asked why if > everything happens for a reason, and it says so in the Big Book, does my son > have significant special needs, and why is he suicidal & on anti-psychotic > medicine as a child? Why did God allow him to be sexually molested as a > child? Now, what I am NOT saying is that I dont believe in a God, because I > do - but no God I believe in would make these things " happen for a reason. " > I still have his return letter & he is still in program but his answer was > basically, who am I to question a power greater than myself. But I DO > question this belief. I feel heartbroken & very sad to see my child suffer > so, but I am told that self pity is a character defect? I dont think so - > who could mother this child with love & not feel these feelings? > > Other things that came to bother me where the belief that when ever anything > good happened in my life, it was God working in my life and whenever > anything bad happened, I was suppossed to look within. I felt this was very > contradictory. I said to my old sponsor in my letter of recent, " maybe it > is just because my husband worked his butt off that he got a promotion. " I > am grateful to God for my blessings, but I am led to shun any negative > emotions when bad things happen - " I am not being grateful, I need > gratitude, it's stinkin' thinkin', etc. " Some of this is what was being addressed on the other thread, with admittedly a lighter subject (good job, family, etc., with the sponsee). I have never read it, but have been recommended the book " Why Bad Things Happen to Good People. " Somehow, I resolved these questions on my own, but it did involve ridding myself of the concepts of a Higher Power as presented/determined by AA. > > Lastly, as I tried to return several times, I saw more & more control freaks > than people I looked up to as mentors. I had in the past allowed sponsors > to take me hostage. I didnt then have enough confidence in myself to speak > up & would get all flustered inside knowing it wasnt right. Today, I would > run from some of these folks. Now, I dont mean to generalize here because > everyone is unique. But I personally found 9 out of 10 sponsors to be really > controlling, fearful, sick people. > > Today, I am on a journey of finding what feels right to me & giving myself > permission to do this without being active in program. There is still a lot > I learned in program that I carry with me today & I am forever grateful that > when I needed it (and I did), it was there. > > I have no anger towards these groups, and feel if it is helpful for people, > so be it - whatever works. But it no longer works for me. I held this attitude for quite a while, but at a certain point I became angrier than this. Mainly because this system has gained such a monopoly of thought and the fact that many people do not realize that it is a religion in itself. There has been much information in the past about the religion vs spirituality debate on this list, and you might find some of it very interesting. I'm very sad to hear about what happened to your son. 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 thanks for the reply. It's appreciated. >From: ahicks@... >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: New member intro >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:38:02 -0000 > > > >Hi , > >I think your other intro did post. One thing I have noticed is that >sometimes there isn't a response if everyone sort of nods their heads >from the other side of the screen, knowing that similar things have >occurred to many here. Anyway, thanks for posting and welcome to the >group, disorganized herd of cats that it is... > > > Hi, I sent an intro out to the group earlier in the week but I dont >believe > > it got posted. > > > > My name is and I am 41 yrs. old. I have been in & out of 12 >step > > programs for several yrs. When I 1st joined, about 11 yrs ago, I >found a > > place where I finally felt I fit in. I was without any self esteem, > > confidence, or sense of my own identity. I really thrived in the >group for > > about 4 yrs. > > > > I have to say at that time in my life it was a big help to me & the >support > > I received helped me to get to be the person I am today. I did find >after > > awhile that I was wrestling with my ability to fit in. It just no >longer > > felt beneficial to me. Not that I was no longer looking for help, >but what > > they had to offer in those rooms was no longer what I needed. I >began to > > feel bad about myself for this - I tried to go back several times, >but each > > time I left feeling more disilusioned than before. I thought I had >lost my > > faith. > >What you have written here is so familiar to me! Except, that I have >lost my faith in GAWEH and do not claim to be spiritual. However, the >rewms did have a place in my life and a time when they seemed to help >me. That seems very distant now. I don't know if I would or wouldn't >be the same person I am today without AA, as I have no alternate >reality to compare it to. > > > > > I am a very spiritual person today, but I am no longer the person I >was when > > I went into those halls. I do feel it was right for me then, but I >had to > > struggle a long time within myself to realize that it was okay that >it didnt > > work for me anymore. My needs were different - I had grown to a >point where > > I was comfortable with myself and began to feel some things about >program > > that didnt sit right with me. > > > > One issue I could no longer resolve was the adamant belief that > " everything > > happens for a reason, " . I recently wrote a letter to my old sponsor >of 10 > > yrs ago & asked him these questions that bothered me so. I asked why >if > > everything happens for a reason, and it says so in the Big Book, >does my son > > have significant special needs, and why is he suicidal & on >anti-psychotic > > medicine as a child? Why did God allow him to be sexually molested >as a > > child? Now, what I am NOT saying is that I dont believe in a God, >because I > > do - but no God I believe in would make these things " happen for a >reason. " > > I still have his return letter & he is still in program but his >answer was > > basically, who am I to question a power greater than myself. But I >DO > > question this belief. I feel heartbroken & very sad to see my child >suffer > > so, but I am told that self pity is a character defect? I dont think >so - > > who could mother this child with love & not feel these feelings? > > > > Other things that came to bother me where the belief that when ever >anything > > good happened in my life, it was God working in my life and whenever > > anything bad happened, I was suppossed to look within. I felt this >was very > > contradictory. I said to my old sponsor in my letter of recent, > " maybe it > > is just because my husband worked his butt off that he got a >promotion. " I > > am grateful to God for my blessings, but I am led to shun any >negative > > emotions when bad things happen - " I am not being grateful, I need > > gratitude, it's stinkin' thinkin', etc. " > >Some of this is what was being addressed on the other thread, with >admittedly a lighter subject (good job, family, etc., with the >sponsee). > >I have never read it, but have been recommended the book " Why Bad >Things Happen to Good People. " Somehow, I resolved these questions on >my own, but it did involve ridding myself of the concepts of a Higher >Power as presented/determined by AA. > > > > > Lastly, as I tried to return several times, I saw more & more >control freaks > > than people I looked up to as mentors. I had in the past allowed >sponsors > > to take me hostage. I didnt then have enough confidence in myself >to speak > > up & would get all flustered inside knowing it wasnt right. Today, I >would > > run from some of these folks. Now, I dont mean to generalize here >because > > everyone is unique. But I personally found 9 out of 10 sponsors to >be really > > controlling, fearful, sick people. > > > > Today, I am on a journey of finding what feels right to me & giving >myself > > permission to do this without being active in program. There is >still a lot > > I learned in program that I carry with me today & I am forever >grateful that > > when I needed it (and I did), it was there. > > > > I have no anger towards these groups, and feel if it is helpful for >people, > > so be it - whatever works. But it no longer works for me. > >I held this attitude for quite a while, but at a certain point I >became angrier than this. Mainly because this system has gained such >a monopoly of thought and the fact that many people do not realize >that it is a religion in itself. There has been much information in >the past about the religion vs spirituality debate on this list, and >you might find some of it very interesting. > >I'm very sad to hear about what happened to your son. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 I'm interested to know if anyone else wrestled with these issues as well and if so, what conclusions they came to within themselves? >From: ahicks@... >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: New member intro >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:38:02 -0000 > > > >Hi , > >I think your other intro did post. One thing I have noticed is that >sometimes there isn't a response if everyone sort of nods their heads >from the other side of the screen, knowing that similar things have >occurred to many here. Anyway, thanks for posting and welcome to the >group, disorganized herd of cats that it is... > > > Hi, I sent an intro out to the group earlier in the week but I dont >believe > > it got posted. > > > > My name is and I am 41 yrs. old. I have been in & out of 12 >step > > programs for several yrs. When I 1st joined, about 11 yrs ago, I >found a > > place where I finally felt I fit in. I was without any self esteem, > > confidence, or sense of my own identity. I really thrived in the >group for > > about 4 yrs. > > > > I have to say at that time in my life it was a big help to me & the >support > > I received helped me to get to be the person I am today. I did find >after > > awhile that I was wrestling with my ability to fit in. It just no >longer > > felt beneficial to me. Not that I was no longer looking for help, >but what > > they had to offer in those rooms was no longer what I needed. I >began to > > feel bad about myself for this - I tried to go back several times, >but each > > time I left feeling more disilusioned than before. I thought I had >lost my > > faith. > >What you have written here is so familiar to me! Except, that I have >lost my faith in GAWEH and do not claim to be spiritual. However, the >rewms did have a place in my life and a time when they seemed to help >me. That seems very distant now. I don't know if I would or wouldn't >be the same person I am today without AA, as I have no alternate >reality to compare it to. > > > > > I am a very spiritual person today, but I am no longer the person I >was when > > I went into those halls. I do feel it was right for me then, but I >had to > > struggle a long time within myself to realize that it was okay that >it didnt > > work for me anymore. My needs were different - I had grown to a >point where > > I was comfortable with myself and began to feel some things about >program > > that didnt sit right with me. > > > > One issue I could no longer resolve was the adamant belief that > " everything > > happens for a reason, " . I recently wrote a letter to my old sponsor >of 10 > > yrs ago & asked him these questions that bothered me so. I asked why >if > > everything happens for a reason, and it says so in the Big Book, >does my son > > have significant special needs, and why is he suicidal & on >anti-psychotic > > medicine as a child? Why did God allow him to be sexually molested >as a > > child? Now, what I am NOT saying is that I dont believe in a God, >because I > > do - but no God I believe in would make these things " happen for a >reason. " > > I still have his return letter & he is still in program but his >answer was > > basically, who am I to question a power greater than myself. But I >DO > > question this belief. I feel heartbroken & very sad to see my child >suffer > > so, but I am told that self pity is a character defect? I dont think >so - > > who could mother this child with love & not feel these feelings? > > > > Other things that came to bother me where the belief that when ever >anything > > good happened in my life, it was God working in my life and whenever > > anything bad happened, I was suppossed to look within. I felt this >was very > > contradictory. I said to my old sponsor in my letter of recent, > " maybe it > > is just because my husband worked his butt off that he got a >promotion. " I > > am grateful to God for my blessings, but I am led to shun any >negative > > emotions when bad things happen - " I am not being grateful, I need > > gratitude, it's stinkin' thinkin', etc. " > >Some of this is what was being addressed on the other thread, with >admittedly a lighter subject (good job, family, etc., with the >sponsee). > >I have never read it, but have been recommended the book " Why Bad >Things Happen to Good People. " Somehow, I resolved these questions on >my own, but it did involve ridding myself of the concepts of a Higher >Power as presented/determined by AA. > > > > > Lastly, as I tried to return several times, I saw more & more >control freaks > > than people I looked up to as mentors. I had in the past allowed >sponsors > > to take me hostage. I didnt then have enough confidence in myself >to speak > > up & would get all flustered inside knowing it wasnt right. Today, I >would > > run from some of these folks. Now, I dont mean to generalize here >because > > everyone is unique. But I personally found 9 out of 10 sponsors to >be really > > controlling, fearful, sick people. > > > > Today, I am on a journey of finding what feels right to me & giving >myself > > permission to do this without being active in program. There is >still a lot > > I learned in program that I carry with me today & I am forever >grateful that > > when I needed it (and I did), it was there. > > > > I have no anger towards these groups, and feel if it is helpful for >people, > > so be it - whatever works. But it no longer works for me. > >I held this attitude for quite a while, but at a certain point I >became angrier than this. Mainly because this system has gained such >a monopoly of thought and the fact that many people do not realize >that it is a religion in itself. There has been much information in >the past about the religion vs spirituality debate on this list, and >you might find some of it very interesting. > >I'm very sad to hear about what happened to your son. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 > Hi, I sent an intro out to the group earlier in the week but I dont believe > it got posted. > > My name is and I am 41 yrs. old. I have been in & out of 12 step > programs for several yrs. When I 1st joined, about 11 yrs ago, I found a > place where I finally felt I fit in. I was without any self esteem, > confidence, or sense of my own identity. I really thrived in the group for > about 4 yrs. > > I have to say at that time in my life it was a big help to me & the support > I received helped me to get to be the person I am today. I did find after > awhile that I was wrestling with my ability to fit in. It just no longer > felt beneficial to me. Not that I was no longer looking for help, but what > they had to offer in those rooms was no longer what I needed. I began to > feel bad about myself for this - I tried to go back several times, but each > time I left feeling more disilusioned than before. I thought I had lost my > faith. > > I am a very spiritual person today, but I am no longer the person I was when > I went into those halls. I do feel it was right for me then, but I had to > struggle a long time within myself to realize that it was okay that it didnt > work for me anymore. My needs were different - I had grown to a point where > I was comfortable with myself and began to feel some things about program > that didnt sit right with me. > > One issue I could no longer resolve was the adamant belief that " everything > happens for a reason, " . I recently wrote a letter to my old sponsor of 10 > yrs ago & asked him these questions that bothered me so. I asked why if > everything happens for a reason, and it says so in the Big Book, does my son > have significant special needs, and why is he suicidal & on anti-psychotic > medicine as a child? Why did God allow him to be sexually molested as a > child? Now, what I am NOT saying is that I dont believe in a God, because I > do - but no God I believe in would make these things " happen for a reason. " > I still have his return letter & he is still in program but his answer was > basically, who am I to question a power greater than myself. But I DO > question this belief. I feel heartbroken & very sad to see my child suffer > so, but I am told that self pity is a character defect? I dont think so - > who could mother this child with love & not feel these feelings? > > Other things that came to bother me where the belief that when ever anything > good happened in my life, it was God working in my life and whenever > anything bad happened, I was suppossed to look within. I felt this was very > contradictory. I said to my old sponsor in my letter of recent, " maybe it > is just because my husband worked his butt off that he got a promotion. " I > am grateful to God for my blessings, but I am led to shun any negative > emotions when bad things happen - " I am not being grateful, I need > gratitude, it's stinkin' thinkin', etc. " > > Lastly, as I tried to return several times, I saw more & more control freaks > than people I looked up to as mentors. I had in the past allowed sponsors > to take me hostage. I didnt then have enough confidence in myself to speak > up & would get all flustered inside knowing it wasnt right. Today, I would > run from some of these folks. Now, I dont mean to generalize here because > everyone is unique. But I personally found 9 out of 10 sponsors to be really > controlling, fearful, sick people. > > Today, I am on a journey of finding what feels right to me & giving myself > permission to do this without being active in program. There is still a lot > I learned in program that I carry with me today & I am forever grateful that > when I needed it (and I did), it was there. > > I have no anger towards these groups, and feel if it is helpful for people, > so be it - whatever works. But it no longer works for me. > > , > ~I will not take my thoughts for granted, > for they may be my only guide. Hi, , I left the AA and NA programs about a year ago. My experiences were much different. I had been wrestling with my drug/alcohol addictions for about 12 years and had tried to imerse myself in the 12-step programs on and off for 10 years. The longest period of clean time I've had is 2 years. Many people here had become immersed in the program, and since " out grown " it. Not me, I was never able to " get " the program. For years I had tried and tried. No matter what I did, or who I talked to, the Big Book was nothing to me but giberish. The first step " Admitted that we were powerless... " OK, I had no problem admitting that I had a serious addiction that had been detrimental in every aspect of my life, I could handle that. Step two, " Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could retore us to sanity. " Ten years of indoctrination, and I never got this, still don't. How do I actually do that? Do I tap dance? Do I fart? I asked and asked, and got nothing but more giberish in response. And the third step - What planet did this shit come from? Why did it take me ten years to finaly abandon this program? I thought that I could take what I need and leave the rest. Twist and rearange this stuff to a form that makes sense to me, and the only information I ever got was that the 12step program was the only thing available, it's this or nothing, and you can't do it alone. I did actually believe the " open to any belief, or lack of belief, " " the steps are only suggestions, " that I was glad of because I don't believe in god, never have, and probably never will. The last time I quit using was March 11, 2000. I've been clean ever since. I went back to the program with the attitude " this time I'm going to get this program for sure, I was going to get a sponser, and work these steps, and do it right this time. Gung Ho! Full Speed Ahead! About three months later, I had what some might call a " spiritual awakening. " I call it " pulling my head out of my ass. " I HATE this stupid program, I've always hated it. I need to stop wasting my time. If I hate the program, how can it be helping me? Simple; it can't. That was about a year ago. I have never had true recovery before. Abandoning the program was exactly what I needed to do to stay clean. , I noticed you wrote " without being active in program, " I was wondering if you had been exploring the alternative programs, there are a variety of them, and you may find one in your community that works for you, so you can retain the social aspect of recovery. Some folks have no need for it, I can respect that. I, however, have been going to the SOS meetings that I found in my town, and I enjoy them. Basically program is " find what works for YOU, if it keeps YOU clean - do that. " I find them to be a very enjoyable group of people, and I can freely share in the meetings without getting those " looks " - I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Peace, & Good Fortune, Devin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 > I'm interested to know if anyone else wrestled with these issues as well and > if so, what conclusions they came to within themselves? Hi , My last response was highly summarized! Here are the links to the 12sf posts where I originally posted my " story. " http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free/message/27692 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free/message/27695 The grappling with the HP concept I did was actually more complicated than what I wrote there. Also factoring into it was my very closest friend at the time and her struggles. She had also suffered from infertility and as a result of fertility treatments became pregnant with 4 fetuses. Two of the fetuses were identical twins that were sharing a placenta, the other two were fraternal, and each had a separate placenta. Her prognosis was that if she attempted to keep all four babies that all four would die, or at the very least have major, major problems. She consulted (among others) a nun about her situation. What a terrible decision to be compelled to make. Yet, make it she did. The nun's advice was that death is a part of life and that the best decision my friend could hope to make was sincere from her heart, weighing all of the advice and information that she could get. How unlike what I heard in the program! Always there, personal decision-making was frowned upon. Yet, IMO *this* is our biggest gift, and ultimately our only true resource. Over and over I have seen our true gift, the thinking mind, criticized and vilified in the program. I concluded that a HP that would punish me, (and my possible children) to that extent, was not worth believing in. I came to accept that this question, the question of suffering, has no answer. Certainly it is *not* a malignant demon, (HP) sitting out there doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Hi , Yeah, sorry, your first post did come through ... welcome! I'm relatively new here myself. I only did a couple of spotty years at xA, and never did the steps. But I did/do have issues about what it means to be in ongoing recovery. The rehab I went through was non-12-step, but I still found myself hooked into it beyond reason; I didn't want to move on from it. I also struggle with depression, which is discussed here a fair bit. I can virtually guarantee you'll find lots of food for thought on this intelligent and vocal list. Best wishes to you and your son, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Devin wrote- >Hi, , <snip> The last time I quit using was March 11, 2000. I've been >clean ever since. --->Devin, that's terrific - I mean that sincerely. However you get there, is irrelevant - the point is you are there. Good for you! >, I noticed you wrote " without being active in program, " I >was wondering if you had been exploring the alternative >programs, there are a variety of them, and you may find one in >your community that works for you, so you can retain the social >aspect of recovery. Some folks have no need for it, I can respect >that. I, however, have been going to the SOS meetings that I >found in my town, and I enjoy them. Basically program is " find >what works for YOU, if it keeps YOU clean - do that. " I find them to >be a very enjoyable group of people, and I can freely share in the >meetings without getting those " looks " - I'm sure you know what >I'm talking about. -----> I have never heard of these meetings. They are called SOS? I would be interested in checking them out. > >Peace, & Good Fortune, >Devin -----> Likewise, ~I will not take my thoughts for granted, for they may be my only guide. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 thanks . > >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free eGroup <12-step-free > >Subject: Re: New member intro >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:04:28 -0400 > >Hi , > >Yeah, sorry, your first post did come through ... welcome! I'm >relatively new here myself. I only did a couple of spotty years at >xA, and never did the steps. But I did/do have issues about what it >means to be in ongoing recovery. The rehab I went through was >non-12-step, but I still found myself hooked into it beyond reason; I >didn't want to move on from it. I also struggle with depression, >which is discussed here a fair bit. I can virtually guarantee you'll >find lots of food for thought on this intelligent and vocal list. > >Best wishes to you and your son, > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 -----> I have never heard of these meetings. They are called SOS? I would be interested in checking them out. Got to unhooked.com SOS and LifeRing Secular Recovery both were born in their online avatars at unhooked, and members float in and out of each group, whose philosophies are virtually identical. I host an LSR online meeting, but when in a town with a f2f meeting that is either LSR or SOS, I'd go. Online we have an active egroup list, a message board, and daily online meetings. There is also a listing of the cities and countries where there are either SOS or LSR meetings. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 thanks Mona. >From: MonaHolland@... >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: Re: New member intro >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:04:56 EDT > >In a message dated 6/24/01 8:21:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >castaway41@... writes: > > > > -----> I have never heard of these meetings. They are called SOS? I >would be > > interested in checking them out. > > > >Got to unhooked.com > > SOS and LifeRing Secular Recovery both were born in their online avatars >at >unhooked, and members float in and out of each group, whose philosophies >are >virtually identical. I host an LSR online meeting, but when in a town with >a >f2f meeting that is either LSR or SOS, I'd go. > >Online we have an active egroup list, a message board, and daily online >meetings. There is also a listing of the cities and countries where there >are either SOS or LSR meetings. > >--Mona-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Hi Elly, Sounds like your treatment is ok. To answer some of your questions....It sounds like the balloon should be left in for longer. It is usually 9-14 days. As for the progesterone, I started mine after 5 days off of the estrogen. Some even begin it while they are on the estrogen. 8mg is quite aggreesive. My RE worked me up to 8 per day. I think this is the highest number that I have heard, but it is fine. I must be honest, of you are still at 4mm after 8 mg of estrogen, it is a little low. If you do not see an increase next month, mid cycle, I would get another opinion. Good luck. And make sure when you are out of the woods, and ttc, you see a perinatologist. You will need a cerclage. I have one now, I think I have incompetent cervix from my AS treatments. ELLEN M HANSEN wrote: Hi everyeone! A bit about myself. I had unexplained infertility, on my second round of fertility drugs (pergonyl) I became pregnant (only pregnancy) August 2001. I had an ultrasound at week 7, a singleton was diagnosed. At 20 weeks I spotted and went to the hospital and after an ultrasound was told I was pregnant with triplets and my cervix was thinning out. I was admitted for observation and by 2 am was in labor. I was given tributeline and magnesium sulfate, neither worked and by the time my Dr. showed up 24 hours later I was dilated to an 8 and consequently gave birth to my son Jake January 8th 2002. My contractions were quiet and they performed a cerclage and I was on complete bedrest. The next 10 days were awful, I was trying to make it to viability with my daughters. I got an infection and on January 18 delivered Shelby and January 19 delivered Grace. I had a D & C as the placenta's would not deliver. All my babies we alive and beautiful, just too tiny to survive. Now, after changing Doctors in September of 2002. I had my first LAP/Hysteroscopy Nov. 1, 2002 where retained placenta was removed. I had my second hysteroscopy Dec 20, 2002 to remove scar tissue. While there is much improvement seen from an HSG. I had a 3rd surgery Feb 14, 2003. I am now waiting for a follow up HSG to determine if this surgery has worked. My Dr. told me I have Asherman's. So I have been researching and found you. I have some questions, There are no "A" list or "B" list Dr.'s in my area of the country, any ideas on how to find someone who specializes in this type of surgery? Also, I read that the balloon should stay in 7-10 days, my Dr. only leaves it for 6 days, she said she is afraid I may get an infection. Does anyone think this will make a difference on how I heal? Also , I am taking 8 mg of estrogen a day and will start progesterone 15 days later. Is that how it should be done. I have faith in this new Dr. but I also had faith in my old one. Just want to know I am being taken care of . I don't expect medical advice, just want to know if this is similar to how you have been treatedI appreciate your time and if anyone can help with my questions I would be grateful. Sorry if I rambled. Thanks for reading. Elly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Hello and welcome to the group! Paola --- mommaliberal@... wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I don't have a ton of time right now, but I thought I would post my > intro to > the group. > My name is and I am 29. I am a mother of three. I am > currently > starting the south beach diet. (today is my first day) > I don't have too lofty of goals.. right now I just want to buy my > jeans in > the regular ladies department instead of the " plus size " section. I > am > currently wearing a size 18. (ick) I also want to wear a shirt with > out an x in > front of the size. > I wish everyone luck in losing those unwanted pounds. > > > > > > > Wanna vent about your eBay auctions?? Have a problem with a seller > or buyer > that you want to talk about? Welcome Home! Please come check out my > first > loop! > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gymboloopiesvent > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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