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Barry,

When was Harry born? Jack is also 11 weeks old born on 10/19/00 with CF also!

How much does he weigh? Jack is just about 12lbs, maybe a little over. I

also have a 5 year old without CF and a 10 year old with CF. Sounds like your

family is somewhat like mine!

Meg

Mom of 3

Moe 10yowcf, Kate 5yowocf & Jack infant wcf

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takes 8 capsules of Pancrecarb MS-8 which are buffered and have the

coating on them so they wont work until they are in the intestine and that

way he gets the most use out of the food.

the other enzymes he was on were not buffered and i feel it makes a huge

difference. there's no grease, no odor, never i don't want to sound sick but

the only way to tell if he is getting the proper amount of enzymes is if it

loose or hard.

The drs told us to never open them and put right in the mouth to find an

alternate way of getting him to eat them.

and if you crush them , the coating is lost and as soon as you ingest them

they are working , in the wrong place.

Chris

mom of 3

brandon 12 1/2 yrs yes he makes me say the 1/2 because he is almost 13

On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:15:18 +1030, cfparentsegroups wrote:

>

>

> Yes we were told that the coating on the capsules were some sort of stuff

> that wont digest in ths stomach but will do so in the pancrease over 30

> minutes.

>

>

> enzymes

> > >

> > >

> > > > Well, I just want to add that we have always just opened the

capsules

> > > (Creon) and dumped the beads in Mycah's mouth. That is the way her

> > doctor

> > > taught us to do it. You do have to be careful to wash them down.

She

> > seems

> > > to be doing well and is growing--she's almost four. I look forward

to

> > her

> > > swallowing them whole, but until then I am thankful not to have to

deal

> > with

> > > dragging applesauce around with me. It was especially easy when she

> was

> > > nursing. I would have hated to get out of bed and had to go the

> kitchen

> > in

> > > the middle of the night for applesauce. Yikes! Anyway, in case

anyone

> > is

> > > doing it this way, I just wanted to add that it has worked for us

and

> > Mycah

> > > has never had any mouth sores.

> > > >

> > > > Lori in Florida

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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do you go into childrens hospital in pittsburgh.

that is where we went for 10 years. until DR.FINDER misdiagnosed my

son,brandon.

have you ever told the team you open the capsules into his mouth.

after the misdiagnosis we decided to start going to town WVU.drs are

great !

chris

mom of 3

brandon 12 1/2 yrs

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> re enzymes. us neither here in pittsburgh, pa. patrick is 8 months old

and

> did the applesauce routine for about a month then we started dumping them

in

> his mouth. he does like to spit some out so we give a little extra but

for us

> it works.

>

> love to all,

>

> doug and kathy stanley and patrick w/cf

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do you see Dr Moffett? We go to morgantown dr too!! Are you from

around the area?

Tammy, mom of 6yrs.w/cf

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> do you go into childrens hospital in pittsburgh.

> that is where we went for 10 years. until DR.FINDER misdiagnosed my

> son,brandon.

> have you ever told the team you open the capsules into his mouth.

> after the misdiagnosis we decided to start going to town WVU.drs are

> great !

> chris

> mom of 3

> brandon 12 1/2 yrs

>

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:20:23 EST, cfparentsegroups wrote:

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> > re enzymes. us neither here in pittsburgh, pa. patrick is 8 months

old

> and

> > did the applesauce routine for about a month then we started dumping

them

> in

> > his mouth. he does like to spit some out so we give a little extra but

> for us

> > it works.

> >

> > love to all,

> >

> > doug and kathy stanley and patrick w/cf

>

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Meg,

Harry was born on the 18th of October and weighs about 5 kilograms (11

pounds). He was on the bottom of the weight chart but since the dietician

added maxijule to his feed he seems to be picking up a bit and is now just

above the 9th percentile.

I also have a Jack who is 5 years old without cf

Barry

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Barry,

When was Harry born? Jack is also 11 weeks old born on 10/19/00 with CF

also!

How much does he weigh? Jack is just about 12lbs, maybe a little over. I

also have a 5 year old without CF and a 10 year old with CF. Sounds like

your

family is somewhat like mine!

Meg

Mom of 3

Moe 10yowcf, Kate 5yowocf & Jack infant wcf

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we have gone to childrens since we found out when patrick was two weeks old.

we always deal with dr. orenstein and dr. festa mostly. my wife had a run in

with dr. finder one time. its lucky for him i wasn't there at the time.

patrick had been screaming for pretty much 3 days, wouldn't sleep, etc.

this doctor told her that he was " bored " . after i got done laughing

histerically i was very angry.

we love childrens in pgh and the cf group that is there. dr. o is very

agressive and he is the leader of the team at pgh.

doug and kathy stanley

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Barry,

When was Harry Diagnosed? My Jack was 4 weeks. My oldest also has CF so we

were looking since day one.

Meg

Mom of 3

Moe 10yowcf, Kate 5yowocf & Jack infant wcf

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Well, Chris; I think ythe question was whether a person would just retain

fluid from

drinking water and hold onto water as opposed to gaining actual muscle and/or

fat. It seems to me that if one's sodium/potassium chloride excretion rate

(the

" sweat test " ) is very high, this would be less likely to be a problem; if one

was one of the relatively rare cfers whose sweat chloride excretion test

reveals a score of,

say, 40 (and one is therefore holding onto much water in one's body), as oppo-

sed to my own which is 175 and up, where one becomes dehydrated easily, these

things would make a difference in whether one retained or lost fluid. I'm

probably

just making this ever less clear, but I tried,

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Hi

we attend a rather small cf-center here in Germany. Before and after Fiona was

dxed, her eating was an absolute nightmare and we would never know, how much she

would eat. That's why we started to give the enzymes after the meal. And since

she never had any problems with this, we never changed it.

And Fiona takes Creon. One of the advantages of Creon is, that the beads are not

equal in size and therefore have a different sinking velocity in the stomach.

That should result in a good dispersion. It seems to work like that with Fiona.

You are basically right about the crushing of the beads in the mouth and we keep

telling Fiona not to chew the beads (this kid almost doesn't chew at all BUT the

enzymes, grrrr). But I am not too worried. As Leon said, 15 years ago there were

no enteric coatings and the Viocase worked too. And the saliva contains enzymes

too, therefore the mouth should be slightly resistant to enzymes. We just make

sure that Fiona takes a great sip of tea after the beads.

I am not much into vitamins and herbs too. We leave the vitamins to the docs.

Fiona gets a big bloodwork done once a year, where all her vitamin levels are

checked. We only add D and E at the moment.

Fiona drinks half a pint of herbal tea a day (fennel, anise, caraway and

coriander (sp??)), which helps to reduce the gas in her intestines.

We made a short try with lavender inhalation in November, but we stopped when

Fiona produced lots of bad looking mucus from her sinuses. I don't know, whether

that was a reaction to the lavender or a coincidence. Maybe it was old stuff,

which came loose due to the lavender inhalation. Then it would have been a great

result. But we stopped after two or three weeks and now that Fiona is healthy

again we are not in the mood to start it again.

I think that your hubby is right about the guessing game. And I am glad that I

can have an open discussion with our docs about their line of thinking.

Bye-bye

Torsten, dad of Fiona 3.5wcf

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Torsten,

We were always told as I think most people were. that emzymes are to be

given at the start and half way through the meal to help with digestion.

What made you try a different approach, was it better for your situation.

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> Hi

>

> we attend a rather small cf-center here in Germany. Before and after Fiona

was

> dxed, her eating was an absolute nightmare and we would never know, how

much she

> would eat. That's why we started to give the enzymes after the meal. And

since

> she never had any problems with this, we never changed it.

>

> And Fiona takes Creon. One of the advantages of Creon is, that the beads

are not

> equal in size and therefore have a different sinking velocity in the

stomach.

> That should result in a good dispersion. It seems to work like that with

Fiona.

>

> You are basically right about the crushing of the beads in the mouth and

we keep

> telling Fiona not to chew the beads (this kid almost doesn't chew at all

BUT the

> enzymes, grrrr). But I am not too worried. As Leon said, 15 years ago

there were

> no enteric coatings and the Viocase worked too. And the saliva contains

enzymes

> too, therefore the mouth should be slightly resistant to enzymes. We just

make

> sure that Fiona takes a great sip of tea after the beads.

>

> I am not much into vitamins and herbs too. We leave the vitamins to the

docs.

> Fiona gets a big bloodwork done once a year, where all her vitamin levels

are

> checked. We only add D and E at the moment.

> Fiona drinks half a pint of herbal tea a day (fennel, anise, caraway and

> coriander (sp??)), which helps to reduce the gas in her intestines.

>

> We made a short try with lavender inhalation in November, but we stopped

when

> Fiona produced lots of bad looking mucus from her sinuses. I don't know,

whether

> that was a reaction to the lavender or a coincidence. Maybe it was old

stuff,

> which came loose due to the lavender inhalation. Then it would have been a

great

> result. But we stopped after two or three weeks and now that Fiona is

healthy

> again we are not in the mood to start it again.

>

> I think that your hubby is right about the guessing game. And I am glad

that I

> can have an open discussion with our docs about their line of thinking.

>

>

> Bye-bye

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 3.5wcf

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Hi . Im from Australia and I have 2 children, Liam 6 wocf and Eilish 3

wcf. Eilish has always been on Pancrease. She started with 1/2 until 6

months then went to 1. Now she has 2 - 3 depending on the fat content of

the food we force down her throat (not a good eater).

Thanks

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> > Thanks for the welcome!

> > I'm really glad I've found my way here.

> > Is there protocal about what we can and cant talk about?

> > Can we complain here?? lol

> >

> > Josh also has asthma and a terrible allergy problem. Are there

> > other's with this also?

> > They tried him on Flovent inhaler for 2 weeks, but it made no

> > difference.

> >

> > What enzymes are your kids on? Josh takes Creon 5. This is his third

> > switch of enzymes.

> >

> > OK, I wont ask too much at a time. I just have so many questions.

> >

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Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of baby food and 1 with

each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought tooth and nail to

keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are against Breast

feeding.

I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

wonder.

HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

Anyone from Boston??

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> Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of baby food and 1

with

> each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought tooth and nail to

> keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are against Breast

> feeding.

>

> I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now

to

> hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes

me

> wonder.

>

> HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

>

> Anyone from Boston??

I forgot to mention that with the jar food I add 1/2 tsp of oil and

1/2 tab of salt.

stein..(Getting with the program)Mom of 8 1/2 months WCF

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, I think the nursing is so wonderful! On this list I don't dare even

say how long I nursed but I think it is a big part of the reason why my

daughter has been so healthy! Keep it up.

Don't forget, Creon 5's are half the dose of Creon 10's so the fact that

Mycah takes four ten's means she is really getting a lot more.

Lori

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> Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of baby food and 1 with

> each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought tooth and nail to

> keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are against Breast

> feeding.

>

> I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

> hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

> wonder.

>

> HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

>

> Anyone from Boston??

>

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<< I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

wonder.

HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

>>

Remember, it also depends on the strength of the enzymes......

For example, takes 5 to 6 enzymes with his meals (turned 5 two days

ago) but he takes the Creon 10's.....so they are double the strength of the

creon 5's. Mallory takes 4 creon 10's (or two creon 20's....) and she is

3....if she were taking the creon 5's, she would have to take eight of them

with her meals....does that make sense to you?

ph who is 19 months takes either 4 creon 5's (usually this so he can

swallow them whole....), or two creon 10's, or one creon 20.

I hope this makes sense....

Also, all kids are different. has always seemed to need the higher

dose end of the enzymes. My neice, who weighs more than he does, only takes

4 creon 10's, for example, the same as Mallory who is almost 10 lbs lighter

than my neice.....

Take care, and mine were all breastfed,too, by the way......

Jen

Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF, Mallory 3 with CF, RAD, GERD,

OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath; 6, Miranda 9,

Brittany 7 yo foster daughter with Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) soon

to be adopted by us; ERica 4 yo foster daughter, soon to be adopted by us

also ; also aunt to 3 yo with CF

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> have found that she doesn't need enzymes as much

> when

> nursing. I guess this depends on how much Josh is

> nursing. >>

This, too, is a terrific point!!!!! ph gained weight really well until

we added food, and that was when he fell off the growth charts. When we did

add enzymes, the doc said we did not have to give them to him for

breastfeeding, just for food, since apparently he did fine without enzymes on

breastmilk alone. I realize this may not be true for everyone.... but, he

was 12 pounds by a month and 14 by two months (no enzymes, had not tested him

yet....) He weighed 5 lbs at birth, so you can see that gaining to 12 pounds

by a month is alot!!! Yet, by a year, he was hovering at just under 16 lbs

and not even close to being on the growth chart. Four lbs from 2 months to a

year is not alot of weight gain. Anyway, we never did give him enzymes with

breastmilk, only with food, and he began gaining right away once we added

enzymes with his food. ( I can't really comment about this with the other

kids, as we did not know they had CF when they were babies and still

breastfed....)

Take care,

Jen

Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF, Mallory 3 with CF, RAD, GERD,

OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath; 6, Miranda 9,

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i have never heard of creon.

brandon has been on Pancrease 10 and then ultrase mt 10, ultramse mt 20(he

took these the longests aound 5 yrs until he was taking 11 at each meal )

and now he is on pancrecarb ms 8 ( he takes 8 - 9) he has been on these for

2 years give or take.

and i can't even swollow a tiny little pill and he swollows all at once.

chris

mom of 3

brandon 12 yrs w cf

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:55:38 -0500, cfparents wrote:

> , I think the nursing is so wonderful! On this list I don't dare

even

> say how long I nursed but I think it is a big part of the reason why my

> daughter has been so healthy! Keep it up.

>

> Don't forget, Creon 5's are half the dose of Creon 10's so the fact that

> Mycah takes four ten's means she is really getting a lot more.

>

> Lori

> enzymes

>

>

> > Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of baby food and 1 with

> > each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought tooth and nail to

> > keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are against Breast

> > feeding.

> >

> > I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

> > hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

> > wonder.

> >

> > HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

> >

> > Anyone from Boston??

> >

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, Good for you (and for Josh!) for sticking with

what you know is best for your child. I think it is

criminal that so many docs overlook the importance of

good nutrition. The enzymes are so individual, and

initially when I put my daughter on them, it

" appeared " like she needed more. I have since reduced

her to 1/2 an enzyme per 1 jar or equivalent and she

is doing much better. I sometimes give her another

half if she is taking forever to finish or if I have

fortified her food w/oil or another fatty source. I

have found that she doesn't need enzymes as much when

nursing. I guess this depends on how much Josh is

nursing. Anabelle only takes 2-3 ounces at a time. I

haven't been impressed that docs can really help

w/enzyme dosing. I feel we have to check it out for

ourselves. Just my experience so far. Good luck!

- - Mom of Lucas (4.5) and Anabelle (20 mo cf)

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> Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of

> baby food and 1 with

> each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought

> tooth and nail to

> keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are

> against Breast

> feeding.

>

> I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many

> enzymes. Now to

> hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with

> meals, it makes me

> wonder.

>

> HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

>

> Anyone from Boston??

>

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Sorry, I forgot to mention that these are Creon 5

enzymes as well. Also, I am from Concord, MA but live

in Chicago. I have yet to formerly introduce myself

to the group but will do so soon. -

--- courtney poignand wrote:

> , Good for you (and for Josh!) for sticking with

> what you know is best for your child. I think it is

> criminal that so many docs overlook the importance

> of

> good nutrition. The enzymes are so individual, and

> initially when I put my daughter on them, it

> " appeared " like she needed more. I have since

> reduced

> her to 1/2 an enzyme per 1 jar or equivalent and she

> is doing much better. I sometimes give her another

> half if she is taking forever to finish or if I have

> fortified her food w/oil or another fatty source. I

> have found that she doesn't need enzymes as much

> when

> nursing. I guess this depends on how much Josh is

> nursing. Anabelle only takes 2-3 ounces at a time.

> I

> haven't been impressed that docs can really help

> w/enzyme dosing. I feel we have to check it out for

> ourselves. Just my experience so far. Good luck!

>

> - - Mom of Lucas (4.5) and Anabelle (20 mo

> cf)

> --- wrote:

> > Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of

> > baby food and 1 with

> > each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought

> > tooth and nail to

> > keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are

> > against Breast

> > feeding.

> >

> > I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so

> many

> > enzymes. Now to

> > hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with

> > meals, it makes me

> > wonder.

> >

> > HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

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> > Anyone from Boston??

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Keep nursing, I nursed Eilish till she was 18months and then she wasnt

gaining so she went onto a bottle, but I really missed it alot. She didnt

though never gave her poor mum a thought!

Re: enzymes

>

> > Josh is on the Creon 5 and takes 3 with 1 jar of baby food and 1

> with

> > each side of nursing. (yes I nurse and I fought tooth and nail to

> > keep it this way) I cant believe how many dr's are against Breast

> > feeding.

> >

> > I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now

> to

> > hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes

> me

> > wonder.

> >

> > HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

> >

> > Anyone from Boston??

>

> I forgot to mention that with the jar food I add 1/2 tsp of oil and

> 1/2 tab of salt.

>

> stein..(Getting with the program)Mom of 8 1/2 months WCF

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> In a message dated 2/1/01 1:37:38 PM, poignand@y... writes:

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> << I

> > have found that she doesn't need enzymes as much

> > when

> > nursing. I guess this depends on how much Josh is

> > nursing. >>

>

> This, too, is a terrific point!!!!! ph gained weight really

well until

> we added food, and that was when he fell off the growth charts.

When we did

> add enzymes, the doc said we did not have to give them to him for

> breastfeeding, just for food, since apparently he did fine without

enzymes on

> breastmilk alone. I realize this may not be true for everyone....

but, he

> was 12 pounds by a month and 14 by two months (no enzymes, had not

tested him

> yet....) He weighed 5 lbs at birth, so you can see that gaining to

12 pounds

> by a month is alot!!! Yet, by a year, he was hovering at just

under 16 lbs

> and not even close to being on the growth chart. Four lbs from 2

months to a

> year is not alot of weight gain. Anyway, we never did give him

enzymes with

> breastmilk, only with food, and he began gaining right away once we

added

> enzymes with his food. ( I can't really comment about this with

the other

> kids, as we did not know they had CF when they were babies and

still

> breastfed....)

> Take care,

> Jen

>

> Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF, Mallory 3 with CF,

RAD, GERD,

> OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath; 6, Miranda

9,

> Brittany 7 yo foster daughter with Type 1 diabetes (juvenile

diabetes) soon

> to be adopted by us; ERica 4 yo foster daughter, soon to be adopted

by us

> also ; also aunt to 3 yo with CF\

Josh eats every 2 hours. He has been taking enzymes since he was 2

weeks old. They said that he needed them and that was that. His last

fecal spot check was at a 4+, so he's not absorbing. He also has

chronic Rotavirus. Which he's has for 5 months or so.(maybe even

longer) THey have sent his poop off to Atlanta to the CDC. Now we

have flying $hit among everything else! He is having a really tuff

time gaining weight. He's not even on the charts. But i'll tell ya he

looks the picture of health with is huge rosey cheeks. He weighs 14

lb. 8 oz as of last week. He's 28 " long. You can see his 6 1/2 mo

picture on cystic-l under, Stein....he's a real cuttie!

Jen, you must be a power house of a woman. Woman such as yourself

give me the motivation to be the best mom I can be.

Where are you from?

Stein..Mom of CF (8 1/2 mo) & Tori woCF (but has asthma)

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Although the good early weight gain may have been that

he more readily absorbed the breast milk, it may also

be due to the fact that most babies with cf are born

pancreatic sufficient, and that they gradually become

pancreatic insufficient as they get older (and the

mucus blocks the tubes from the pancreas to the

jejunum where they are supposed to naturally go to

digest.)

There's nothing wrong with breast feeding (in my

opinion), but there's nothing wrong with giving

enzymes with breast milk, or even switching to a

calorie-dense infant formula if the baby isn't

thriving on breast milk, either.

~

mommy of 3, 1 wcf

<ph gained weight really well

>until

<we added food, and that was when he fell off the

>growth charts.

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Just my two cents worth: I used to spend a great deal of time worrying

(obsessing?)about the number of enzymes our was taking, as

compared to other kids in our clinic. I realized, after a while, that what I

was really worried about was that I thought that if he took more enzymes

than other kids it meant his cf was " worse " and he was not going to have a

good prognosis. The cf social workera and nutritionist did an inservice with

our group that really helped me to see that every person with cf is truly

different and that the number of enzymes really does not equal severity of

disease.

Having said that, it still is not always easy to figure out exactly how

many enzymes are the right dose. We go by a couple of things: the number,

size and consistency of stool each day, weight maintenance and as good a

guess as we can about the food he is about to eat. will be 6 in two

weeks and he takes 6 creon 10 with meals and 3 with snacks. He has been at

that level for about a year now, if that helps at all.

Take care,

Debi

>From: ron88jen@...

>Reply-To: cfparents

>To: cfparents

>Subject: Re: enzymes

>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:13:23 EST

>

>

>

>

><< I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

>hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

>wonder.

>

>HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

> >>

>

>Remember, it also depends on the strength of the enzymes......

>For example, takes 5 to 6 enzymes with his meals (turned 5 two days

>ago) but he takes the Creon 10's.....so they are double the strength of the

>creon 5's. Mallory takes 4 creon 10's (or two creon 20's....) and she is

>3....if she were taking the creon 5's, she would have to take eight of them

>with her meals....does that make sense to you?

>ph who is 19 months takes either 4 creon 5's (usually this so he can

>swallow them whole....), or two creon 10's, or one creon 20.

>I hope this makes sense....

>Also, all kids are different. has always seemed to need the higher

>dose end of the enzymes. My neice, who weighs more than he does, only

>takes

>4 creon 10's, for example, the same as Mallory who is almost 10 lbs lighter

>than my neice.....

>Take care, and mine were all breastfed,too, by the way......

>Jen

>

>Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF, Mallory 3 with CF, RAD,

>GERD,

>OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath; 6, Miranda 9,

>Brittany 7 yo foster daughter with Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) soon

>to be adopted by us; ERica 4 yo foster daughter, soon to be adopted by us

>also ; also aunt to 3 yo with CF

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DEBI,

your so right .....On another thing a doc said at an Ed Day (this doc has

written a book , many here have read ).Was " IF THE STOOL SINKS, IT is a good

sign you have hit the right combination " . Actually --all Cf are

different(as you said) , BUT many have allot of similarities.

It is a trial & error thing.Gosh...........thats sometimes hard to

figure.with our ERIN.It was the stool thing that really regulated hers. Now

she adjusts by the foof content.....fats, etc......Bless you

LOVE & HUGS, GrandmomBEV

Re: enzymes

>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:13:23 EST

>

>

>

>

><< I just thought it was normal that Josh takes so many enzymes. Now to

>hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with meals, it makes me

>wonder.

>

>HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

> >>

>

>Remember, it also depends on the strength of the enzymes......

>For example, takes 5 to 6 enzymes with his meals (turned 5 two days

>ago) but he takes the Creon 10's.....so they are double the strength of the

>creon 5's. Mallory takes 4 creon 10's (or two creon 20's....) and she is

>3....if she were taking the creon 5's, she would have to take eight of them

>with her meals....does that make sense to you?

>ph who is 19 months takes either 4 creon 5's (usually this so he can

>swallow them whole....), or two creon 10's, or one creon 20.

>I hope this makes sense....

>Also, all kids are different. has always seemed to need the higher

>dose end of the enzymes. My neice, who weighs more than he does, only

>takes

>4 creon 10's, for example, the same as Mallory who is almost 10 lbs lighter

>than my neice.....

>Take care, and mine were all breastfed,too, by the way......

>Jen

>

>Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF, Mallory 3 with CF, RAD,

>GERD,

>OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath; 6, Miranda 9,

>Brittany 7 yo foster daughter with Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) soon

>to be adopted by us; ERica 4 yo foster daughter, soon to be adopted by us

>also ; also aunt to 3 yo with CF

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what is you e-mail address I'll give you all the tid- bits I know.

Sorry it took me a few days to get back to ya..

Stein

Re: enzymes

> > >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:13:23 EST

> > >

> > >

> > >In a message dated 2/1/01 4:01:44 AM,

> cabowabo@m... writes:

> > >

> > ><< I just thought it was normal that Josh takes

> so many enzymes.

> Now to

> > >hear that 2-3 yr olds are taking 3-4 enzymes with

> meals, it makes

> me

> > >wonder.

> > >

> > >HMMMM I'm going to speak to the dr about this!

> > > >>

> > >

> > >Remember, it also depends on the strength of the

> enzymes......

> > >For example, takes 5 to 6 enzymes with his

> meals (turned 5

> two days

> > >ago) but he takes the Creon 10's.....so they are

> double the

> strength of the

> > >creon 5's. Mallory takes 4 creon 10's (or two

> creon 20's....) and

> she is

> > >3....if she were taking the creon 5's, she would

> have to take

> eight of them

> > >with her meals....does that make sense to you?

> > >ph who is 19 months takes either 4 creon 5's

> (usually this so

> he can

> > >swallow them whole....), or two creon 10's, or

> one creon 20.

> > >I hope this makes sense....

> > >Also, all kids are different. has always

> seemed to need

> the higher

> > >dose end of the enzymes. My neice, who weighs

> more than he does,

> only

> > >takes

> > >4 creon 10's, for example, the same as Mallory

> who is almost 10

> lbs lighter

> > >than my neice.....

> > >Take care, and mine were all breastfed,too, by

> the way......

> > >Jen

> > >

> > >Mommy of 7, including ph 19 months with CF,

> Mallory 3 with CF,

> RAD,

> > >GERD,

> > >OSA, port-a-cath; 4 with CF, port-a-cath;

> 6, Miranda

> 9,

> > >Brittany 7 yo foster daughter with Type 1

> diabetes (juvenile

> diabetes) soon

> > >to be adopted by us; ERica 4 yo foster daughter,

> soon to be

> adopted by us

> > >also ; also aunt to 3 yo with CF

> >

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