Re: Val et al...Start Armour or wait for Adrenal Saliva Tests

[Guest guest]

I would wait for the saliva testing to do the switch. The results of

that will also tell you how much Armoru you can start with or if you

need to introduce it slowly.

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[Guest guest]

Can I introduce it slowly since I don't have any thyroid? Also, what

is the probability my extreme anxiety is due to adrenal fatigue or TSH

too low (0.04).

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> I would wait for the saliva testing to do the switch. The results of

> that will also tell you how much Armoru you can start with or if you

> need to introduce it slowly.

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[Guest guest]

You can swap ou tthe Armour for your T4 meds once you get on some

adrneal support. So though it is slow you are still getting thyroid

hormones. TSH only tells you what the pituitary is doing. To know your

thyroid status you would have to have thyroid hormones tested. They are

includedin the saliva testing through Canary Club.

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[Guest guest]

I guess I am really wondering the cause of the intense anxiety.

Could bad adrenals really cause it? I guess I had always seen 0.04

as being listed as hyperthyroid so wouldn't relate to the anxiety

since it is pituitary?

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> You can swap ou tthe Armour for your T4 meds once you get on some

> adrneal support. So though it is slow you are still getting thyroid

> hormones. TSH only tells you what the pituitary is doing. To know

your

> thyroid status you would have to have thyroid hormones tested. They

are

> includedin the saliva testing through Canary Club.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>> I guess I had always seen 0.04

as being listed as hyperthyroid so wouldn't relate to the anxiety

since it is pituitary?<<

TSH by itself is the WORST test for thyroid three is. You can be hypopituitary

from being hypothyroid. That lowers ALL the pituitary hormones including TSH.

The ONLY tests thta are valid for hypothyroidism is THYROID hormone testing.

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[Guest guest]

My other thyroid test results were Free T4 1.6 (range 0.8-1.8) Free

T3 335 (230-420). I guess my basic question is in your opinion is

the anxiety coming from adrenals or thyroid issues or both? I'm

doing the saliva testing tomorrow and will post as soon as get them

back.

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> >> I guess I had always seen 0.04

> as being listed as hyperthyroid so wouldn't relate to the anxiety

> since it is pituitary?<<

>

> TSH by itself is the WORST test for thyroid three is. You can be

hypopituitary from being hypothyroid. That lowers ALL the pituitary

hormones including TSH. The ONLY tests thta are valid for

hypothyroidism is THYROID hormone testing.

>

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WV

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Yes,bad adrenals can give you bad anxiety, but so can can being hyper

or hypo.

A really low TSH CAN mean you are hyper but you can't tell unless you

test the free t3 and t4 as Val said. If the pituitary isn't working,

you could have low TSH and still by HYPO.

Kathleen

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> I guess I am really wondering the cause of the intense anxiety.

> Could bad adrenals really cause it? I guess I had always seen 0.04

> as being listed as hyperthyroid so wouldn't relate to the anxiety

> since it is pituitary?

[Guest guest]

>>My other thyroid test results were Free T4 1.6 (range 0.8-1.8) Free

T3 335 (230-420). I guess my basic question is in your opinion is

the anxiety coming from adrenals or thyroid issues or both? I'm

doing the saliva testing tomorrow and will post as soon as get them

back. <<

What I see here is that you are not converting well. Your T4 i a bit high with

still low T3. This could point ot high cortisol or a Reverse t3 problem.

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[Guest guest]

So what do you do for high cortisol? What is done for reverse T3

problems?

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> >>My other thyroid test results were Free T4 1.6 (range 0.8-1.8) Free

> T3 335 (230-420). I guess my basic question is in your opinion is

> the anxiety coming from adrenals or thyroid issues or both? I'm

> doing the saliva testing tomorrow and will post as soon as get them

> back. <<

>

> What I see here is that you are not converting well. Your T4 i a bit

high with still low T3. This could point ot high cortisol or a Reverse

t3 problem.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

For high cortisol you try to find the cause. I am VERY limited in this

area as I can;t afford hardly any testing and have not got a decent

doctor at all. So far I tried Phosphatidyl Serine, whihc I could not

take it made me very ill, then I have tried block and replace with HC

which seems to give me the best results but it is a forever thing as the

minute I taper down on HC my cortisol rises too high again. I have

removed everything stressful form my life I possibly can but there is

always some stress which I must deal with and my health has become the

worst one! I eat a very clean diet and hope for the best adn just work

to control the symptoms of high cortilsl that appear when i give myself

a break from highish doses of HC.

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[Guest guest]

, is the HC you take Cortef or is there another kind? So HC is good

for low cortisol and high cortisol, huh?

Cheri

Re: Val et al...Start Armour or wait for Adrenal

Saliva Tests

then I have tried block and replace with HC

which seems to give me the best results but it is a forever thing as the

minute I taper down on HC my cortisol rises too high again

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[Guest guest]

Relora works very well in my experience. Dr Rind told me to take it for

insomnia (why, I have NO idea b/c he KNEW I had low cortisol, I guess

he thought I was going high at night although the saliva test didn't

show that). At any rate, the Relora worked SO well I was ill the next

day with low cortisol! So I never took it again.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Ironic you should mention that. My tests showed high early morning cortisol

with a comment of hypoadrenia overnight, so I took Relora before bed 2 days

ago and slept well. Last night I was up at 3 am and could not get back to

sleep. So, I am wondering if it made me too low for the rest of the time (my

morning and early afternoons are depressed)? I think I need to hold off on

it too and deal with the glycemia or whatever is causing me to wake at

night.

I know when I took Relora more regularly in 2005 I lost a lot of weight and

seemed to have more energy but my adrenals were probably at a different

phase then. I have since packed on about 30 lbs but did lose about 10 again

in the last two months.

Cheri

Re: Val et al...Start Armour or wait for Adrenal

Saliva Tests

Relora works very well in my experience. Dr Rind told me to take it for

insomnia (why, I have NO idea b/c he KNEW I had low cortisol, I guess

he thought I was going high at night although the saliva test didn't

show that). At any rate, the Relora worked SO well I was ill the next

day with low cortisol! So I never took it again.

Kathleen

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