Re: Val: hc schedule okay?

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>>About a month ago I reached 10, 10, 2.5. I was at 15, 10, 10, 5.

If I stress dose any amount (5, 2.5, 1.25) my heart races super,

super fast. I've tried it first thing in the morning, mid-morning,

and pm.<<

Sounds liek you are at a level where the thyroid is buildingin your blood and

the stress dosing causes a thyroid dump. I would lower thyroid and try to adjust

your dosing to a better rythm after a couple days of lower thyroid,. The two

10MG doses are lowering your ACTH too much. I would try 10 - 7.5 - 5 - 2.5

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> >>About a month ago I reached 10, 10, 2.5. I was at 15, 10, 10, 5.

>

> If I stress dose any amount (5, 2.5, 1.25) my heart races super,

> super fast. I've tried it first thing in the morning, mid-morning,

> and pm.<<

>

> Sounds liek you are at a level where the thyroid is buildingin your

blood and the stress dosing causes a thyroid dump. I would lower

thyroid and try to adjust your dosing to a better rythm after a couple

days of lower thyroid,. The two 10MG doses are lowering your ACTH too

much. I would try 10 - 7.5 - 5 - 2.5

>

Okay. A couple of days of lowered thyroid. Can I adjust my hc

schedule all in the same day? Or will it make me feel bad? Or mess up

my rhythm?

[Guest guest]

>

> >>About a month ago I reached 10, 10, 2.5. I was at 15, 10, 10, 5.

>

> If I stress dose any amount (5, 2.5, 1.25) my heart races super,

> super fast. I've tried it first thing in the morning, mid-morning,

> and pm.<<

>

> Sounds liek you are at a level where the thyroid is buildingin your

blood and the stress dosing causes a thyroid dump. I would lower

thyroid and try to adjust your dosing to a better rythm after a couple

days of lower thyroid,. The two 10MG doses are lowering your ACTH too

much. I would try 10 - 7.5 - 5 - 2.5

>

Okay. A couple of days of lowered thyroid. Can I adjust my hc

schedule all in the same day? Or will it make me feel bad? Or mess up

my rhythm?

[Guest guest]

Actually lowering thyroid should releive some adrenal stress so it is

the perfect time to adjust the HC dosing.

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[Guest guest]

I adjusted my hc to 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5 after lowering my Armour and felt

better.

I accidentally took a T3 capsule instead on my 1/4 grain of Armour and

I feel hot, heart racing (too much thyroid med). I won't take anymore

today but Is There Anything I Can Take To slow my heart down? I have

Inositol. What do you do for accidentally taking too much T3? Help!

> Actually lowering thyroid should releive some adrenal stress so it is

> the perfect time to adjust the HC dosing.

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[Guest guest]

>>Is There Anything I Can Take To slow my heart down? I have

Inositol. What do you do for accidentally taking too much T3? <<

I dontl EVER accidentally take too much, But if I did it is a matter of 4-6

hours and it is gone. I do not knowe if the Inositol would help.

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[Guest guest]

One time I took too much and realized it right after, so I took a calcium

supplement right after and didn't notice any ill effects from the added

dose.

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Subject: Re: Val: hc schedule okay?

>>Is There Anything I Can Take To slow my heart down? I have

Inositol. What do you do for accidentally taking too much T3? <<

I dontl EVER accidentally take too much, But if I did it is a matter of 4-6

hours and it is gone. I do not knowe if the Inositol would help.

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[Guest guest]

Beta Blockers -- this is actually one time they are worth something. Dr

Lowe uses them for this.

Also, l-carntinine in 2-6 GRAMS (not mg) is known to used to stop hyper

symptoms. I don't know how quickly it works, though.

Kathleen

>

>

>

> >>Is There Anything I Can Take To slow my heart down? I have

> Inositol. What do you do for accidentally taking too much T3? <<

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>About a month ago I reached 10, 10, 2.5. I was at 15, 10, 10, 5.

>

> If I stress dose any amount (5, 2.5, 1.25) my heart races super,

> super fast. I've tried it first thing in the morning, mid-morning

and pm.<<

>

> Sounds liek you are at a level where the thyroid is buildingin your

> blood and the stress dosing causes a thyroid dump. I would lower

> thyroid and try to adjust your dosing to a better rythm after a

couple

> days of lower thyroid,. The two 10MG doses are lowering your ACTH

too

> much. I would try 10 - 7.5 - 5 - 2.5

> >

>

> Okay. A couple of days of lowered thyroid. Can I adjust my hc

> schedule all in the same day? Or will it make me feel bad? Or

mess up

> my rhythm?

>

Val: I'm doing good lowering my hc. I am now at 10, 5, 2.5, 2.5

My weight gain stopped (for now), my feet swelling is much better and

I don't feel as hot.

I am now depressed though. I think it's from having to lower my

Armour to be able to lower the hc.

So, any suggestions? My average temp for past 3 days is 97.6 (97.6,

97.6, 97.4).

[Guest guest]

>>So, any suggestions? My average temp for past 3 days is 97.6 (97.6,

97.6, 97.4). <<

Hold the HC here and raise the Armoru again.

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[Guest guest]

Do I need to hold it for a certain amount of days before adding

Armour again? Just yesterday I lowered the hc by 2.5mg.

Thanks!

>

> >>So, any suggestions? My average temp for past 3 days is 97.6

(97.6,

> 97.6, 97.4). <<

>

> Hold the HC here and raise the Armoru again.

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[Guest guest]

>>Do I need to hold it for a certain amount of days before adding

Armour again? Just yesterday I lowered the hc by 2.5mg.<<

As long as your temps hold steqady for 2 days it should be fine to add Armour.

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[Guest guest]

Val - is three days really enough to track temps for adrenals? I thought a

minimum of five days is necessary? I usually have about five days of steady

temps, then all of a sudden they take a nose dive and that's when I increased HC

and found that I really needed to do so.

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>>So, any suggestions? My average temp for past 3 days is 97.6 (97.6,

97.6, 97.4). <<

Hold the HC here and raise the Armoru again.

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[Guest guest]

I htink it depends on what you are doing. If you are tracing while

increasing thyroid you may ned longer between to see the full effects

but as a guage to tell when you are able to increase or start thyroid 3

days is enough.

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[Guest guest]

Val - I'm trying to better understand this with the continued brainfog I have.

Let's say you have about 4 or 5 steady days and then a couple of higher days

(more than 2/10s increase) and then temp may go down for say 6 steady days.

Would this warrant an increase in HC if you haven't increased/decreased Armour

for a month?

wrote:

I htink it depends on what you are doing. If you are tracing while

increasing thyroid you may ned longer between to see the full effects

but as a guage to tell when you are able to increase or start thyroid 3

days is enough.

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>>Val - I'm trying to better understand this with the continued brainfog I have.

Let's say you have about 4 or 5 steady days and then a couple of higher days

(more than 2/10s increase) and then temp may go down for say 6 steady days.

Would this warrant an increase in HC if you haven't increased/decreased Armour

for a month?<<

I would say NO. This sounds liek sex hormone changes, outside influences or even

what you DO those days that may use up (or not ) more thyroid. It is the one day

to the next flipping up and d0wn that indicates weak adrneals and low cortiosl

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[Guest guest]

Then it must be my sex hormones because I'm not doing anything different on the

days my temp goes higher. I have developed painful breasts 2-3 weeks out of the

month and many say this is from estrogen dominance which comes with low

cortisol. I began progesterone cream 2 months ago and have been using it

everyday. I don't care if I don't ovulate because I'm not trying to get

pregnant, LOL. Soon, I will cutback to 2 weeks per month. So, do you think the

progesterone is or lack thereof, is causing temp fluctuations?

wrote:

>>Val - I'm trying to better understand this with the continued

brainfog I have. Let's say you have about 4 or 5 steady days and then a couple

of higher days (more than 2/10s increase) and then temp may go down for say 6

steady days. Would this warrant an increase in HC if you haven't

increased/decreased Armour for a month?<<

I would say NO. This sounds liek sex hormone changes, outside influences or even

what you DO those days that may use up (or not ) more thyroid. It is the one day

to the next flipping up and d0wn that indicates weak adrneals and low cortiosl

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If I remember how cyuclkes work, highest progesterone is when the uterus

is readying for the egg. That is also when temps go the highest during

the cycle and during pregnancy it remains high as do temps. So high P

would cause high temps. High estrogen can cause lowered temps as it

binds thyroid hormones.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, but Dr. Rind told me in an email, that in his experience with thousands of

women, a healthy women have a consistently high daily average temp of 98.6

throughout their cycle, so now I'm uncertain if I need to aim for that temp

throughout my cycle???????????? If not, I may not be optimized??

Is there anybody here that is still menstruating that is able to get close to

98.6 throughout their cycle once optimized?

wrote:

If I remember how cyuclkes work, highest progesterone is when the

uterus

is readying for the egg. That is also when temps go the highest during

the cycle and during pregnancy it remains high as do temps. So high P

would cause high temps. High estrogen can cause lowered temps as it

binds thyroid hormones.

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[Guest guest]

Yep if your cycles are 4 weeks long then the first two weeks (or until you

ovulate) your temp would be lower. After ovulation your temp rises usually

at least .5 degrees or more (called luteal phase). If you are progesterone

deficient your luteal phase would be less than 12 days long. You can track

this by charting basal body temp in the a.m.

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Subject: Re: Val: hc schedule okay?

If I remember how cyuclkes work, highest progesterone is when the uterus

is readying for the egg. That is also when temps go the highest during

the cycle and during pregnancy it remains high as do temps. So high P

would cause high temps. High estrogen can cause lowered temps as it

binds thyroid hormones.

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[Guest guest]

We were talking about the daily average temps not the basals, so have your

average temps been lower the first two weeks too?

Amie wrote:

Yep if your cycles are 4 weeks long then the first two weeks (or until

you

ovulate) your temp would be lower. After ovulation your temp rises usually

at least .5 degrees or more (called luteal phase). If you are progesterone

deficient your luteal phase would be less than 12 days long. You can track

this by charting basal body temp in the a.m.

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[mailto:NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:28 PM

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Subject: Re: Val: hc schedule okay?

If I remember how cyuclkes work, highest progesterone is when the uterus

is readying for the egg. That is also when temps go the highest during

the cycle and during pregnancy it remains high as do temps. So high P

would cause high temps. High estrogen can cause lowered temps as it

binds thyroid hormones.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah I know. But the amount of pg in your body is higher those two weeks all

the time, so I think the total average would then need to be higher. I have

not charted for a month but maybe someone else that has can comment.

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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:36 PM

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Subject: RE: Val: hc schedule okay?

We were talking about the daily average temps not the basals, so have your

average temps been lower the first two weeks too?

Amie <amie.journalist@... <mailto:amie.journalist%40gmail.com> >

wrote:

Yep if your cycles are 4 weeks long then the first two weeks (or until you

ovulate) your temp would be lower. After ovulation your temp rises usually

at least .5 degrees or more (called luteal phase). If you are progesterone

deficient your luteal phase would be less than 12 days long. You can track

this by charting basal body temp in the a.m.

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Subject: Re: Val: hc schedule okay?

If I remember how cyuclkes work, highest progesterone is when the uterus

is readying for the egg. That is also when temps go the highest during

the cycle and during pregnancy it remains high as do temps. So high P

would cause high temps. High estrogen can cause lowered temps as it

binds thyroid hormones.

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[Guest guest]

Val,

I was able to lower my hc to 5 mg 4x/day (was at 40 mg. started hc 2

years ago). My feet swelling is not constant now and my weight gain

has stopped. The problem is that I had to lower my Armour. I felt

like I had too much Armour. It has pros and cons though.

Armour: Morning - 5 mg hc & 3/4 grain Armour

Mid-Morn- 5 mg hc & 1/4 grain

Afternoon- " "

Evening - " "

Was taking T3 - 6.25mcg 4x/day - not stopped

Armour was - 1 3/4 grain - now 1 1/2

Headaches-what causes that?

Depression, crying

I still feel like I have too much Armour because I get angry and

have nervous/anxious energy after my 2nd dose of Armour but I'm

afraid to lower it.

If I add any more hc my feet and face swell up.

Could I have too much Armour built up?

I do much better on T3 than Armour. Can I switch and be okay?

What do you think?

Thank you!!!

[Guest guest]

I htink anyone with well supported or healthy adrenals can safely switch

to T3 and be fine. That would be my siggestion as you have tried the

gamut of cortisol and Armoru wihtout success. If you have high RT3 it

can prevent you from feelign good on any med with T4 in it.

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[Guest guest]

My morning dose of Armour is 3/4 grain and any increase of Armour

makes me sleepy. So, I don't know if my adrenals are healthy. And

then I take 1/4 grain at 11am, 3pm and 7pm or later. If I increase

Armour any other time I feel I have too much Armour. I think I do

have high RT3 like you said. It makes sense. Is there anything I can

do about it?

Can I just switch? I mean what dose of Armour would be about equal to

6.25 mcg of T3? I would like to try it. Maybe one scheduled dose at

first to see how I do.

>

> I htink anyone with well supported or healthy adrenals can safely

switch

> to T3 and be fine. That would be my siggestion as you have tried the

> gamut of cortisol and Armoru wihtout success. If you have high RT3

it

> can prevent you from feelign good on any med with T4 in it.

>

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