Re: Parasite/Kidney/liver Cleanses? TK......ANDY?

[Guest guest]

TK, by your commment I take it that Andy has not said anything bad

or recommended avoiding either kidney cleanses or the parasite

cleanses?

I wonder if Andy's recommendation to avoid liver flushes is one

based on theory or from observations of people having bad results.

Also was Andy talking about the liver flushes in hulda clarks books?

Are there any posts where andy talks about liver flushes, or maybe

in his newest book? I would also like to know if what Andy is

talking about is specific to the combination of flushes and

chelation, or just the flushes in general for merc tox. people?

Maybe Andy himself could actually chime in and explain this one.

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> > I am thinking about doing the 3 cleanses that hulda clark and

others

> > recommend ie, parasite, kidney, and liver.

>

>

> TK--- just a reminder, liver flushes are not recommended by Andy.

That

> said many people that are not chelating seem to benefit so they

say.

>

>

> I know my main problem is

> > the mercury and other metals, but since I have still not been

able to

> > up my dose of DMPS any higher than 5mg !!!... I figured I needed

to

> > find a way to prime my body for better excretion. The first few

> rounds

> > I did my liver enzymes went too high so I know the side effects

are

> > partly from the liver having problems. While I have done some

juice

> > fasting which has made me feel better it has not let me up the

DMPS

> > dose.

>

>

>

> Are the Hulda e cleanses recommended for those who are

> > mercury toxic?

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> TK--- Flushes no per Andy

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>

> Anyone actually tried them?

>

> What is Andy's C's opinion

> > of the parasite/kidney/

>

>

>

> liver Flush and why?

>

>

> TK--- Because they put to much stress on an already stressed

liver.

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[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I am thinking about doing the 3 cleanses that hulda clark and

> others

> > > recommend ie, parasite, kidney, and liver.

> >

> >

> > TK--- just a reminder, liver flushes are not recommended by

Andy.

> That

> > said many people that are not chelating seem to benefit so they

> say.

> >

> >

> > I know my main problem is

> > > the mercury and other metals, but since I have still not been

> able to

> > > up my dose of DMPS any higher than 5mg !!!... I figured I

needed

> to

> > > find a way to prime my body for better excretion. The first few

> > rounds

> > > I did my liver enzymes went too high so I know the side effects

> are

> > > partly from the liver having problems. While I have done some

> juice

> > > fasting which has made me feel better it has not let me up the

> DMPS

> > > dose.

> >

> >

> >

> > Are the Hulda e cleanses recommended for those who are

> > > mercury toxic?

> >

> >

> > TK--- Flushes no per Andy

> >

> >

> > Anyone actually tried them?

> >

> > What is Andy's C's opinion

> > > of the parasite/kidney/

> >

> >

> >

> > liver Flush and why?

> >

> >

> > TK--- Because they put to much stress on an already stressed

> liver.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Are there any posts where andy talks about liver flushes, or maybe

> > in his newest book?

>

>

> TK--- I do not have the Hair book unfortunately - does and she

> could tell us.

>

I lent my copy of the hair test book to a friend. I don't recall

anything about flushes, liver or otherwise.

There are posts from Andy in archives (autism mercury) where Andy has

repeated that he advises against liver flushes for mercury poisoned

persons.

A summary of what he has to say on the topic starts on the bottom of p

157 and continues on p 158 in Amalgam Illness. What he says there

makes a LOT of sense to me.

I do recall from my reading of archives that risk factors associated

with doing liver flushes were things like getting stones stuck in

ducts and getting gall bladder attacks. I can't recall 'who' said

that those were risk factors and I haven't checked up on this.

In general I am a believer in giving the body what it needs to clean

itself rather than using artificial methods to clean it out. There

are lots of things on Andy's supplement list that help the liver to do

it's job and there are modifications a person can make to diet that

will help the liver. I doubt that the liver is all that 'happy' after

one of those flushes. They sound like they are very stressful.

J

>

> I would also like to know if what Andy is

> > talking about is specific to the combination of flushes and

> > chelation, or just the flushes in general for merc tox. people?

>

>

> TK---- Not positive but that liver flushes in general are hard on the

> liver and for Hg toxic individuals this is more of a problem.

>

>

>

> > Maybe Andy himself could actually chime in and explain this one.

> >

> > ~

[Guest guest]

Hi guys

Here's my wiev, I have looked into the liverflushes a bit. Aside

from what Hulda says (hundreds of people flushed, none got

hurt she says) There is also a swedish natural doctor practicing

between 1950-1980, Alma Nissen, She had over 500 patients do the

flush. None got hurt according to an old book I borrowed at

university of gothenburg, sweden. So far so good.

I have done the flush seven times. Besides maybe 70 stones I got

hundreds of dead and rotting liver flkues (fasciolopis buskki) out

from the liver. I have saved them in jars and got lots of scary

pictures of them. These parasites destroy the liver and the patient

may die. So in my case the parasite cleanse/liverflush was a very

good thing. I have still a little pain. ALA reduces the pain btw so

I believe its good for the liver. I have detoxed with DMSA/ALA for 7

months and Andy seems to be right, the body starts to works like its

supposed to again.

So, do I believe flushing is totally riskfree? Or for everyone? No,

even though I have never felt any pain (biggest stone a ball 1.2cm

in size) when doing the flush, you can have pain later. Why?

Sometimes stones stuck in the liver seem to move into the

gallbladder. These stones may irritate and inflame the gallbladder,

probably because they contain bacteria. If you get scared and rush

to the doctor instead of reading up beforehand you may lose your

gallbladder? I kept that at bay between flushes using Sherry

variety of flush from the book No More Heartburn. That book is a

gem. But remember, my liver was infested with parasites and quite

damaged.

Still, you have to decide for yourself. I would reason like this. If

you dont need it right now, wait. Detox for at least a year before

you do it. At some point I believe its a very good thing for most

everyone. The energy I got afterwards was mine to keep and chemical

sensitivities and allergy is much reduced.

Hope this helps someone

> I do recall from my reading of archives that risk factors

associated

> with doing liver flushes were things like getting stones stuck in

> ducts and getting gall bladder attacks. I can't recall 'who' said

> that those were risk factors and I haven't checked up on this.