Adrenal Cortex & Thyroid Glandulars

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm beginning to try these out, but feel I need a better idea of how

to use them.

I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, so good

things are happening. However, I'm waking up about an hour early and

can't get back to sleep.

Should I be taking my doses at different times? Is this too much?

Thanks,

W.

P.S. Is there a list that would be best to join to learn more?

Also, here are the thyroid tests results I have (I realize that TK

recommends additional tests, but I don't have them):

Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm beginning to try these out, but feel I need a better idea of how

> to use them.

>

> I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

>

> http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

>

> and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

>

> http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

>

> I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

> meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, so

good

> things are happening. However, I'm waking up about an hour early

and

> can't get back to sleep.

TK--- try taking them earlier and not for dinner

>

> Should I be taking my doses at different times? Is this too much?

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

> P.S. Is there a list that would be best to join to learn more?

>

> Also, here are the thyroid tests results I have (I realize that TK

> recommends additional tests, but I don't have them):

>

> Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

> Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

TK--- these do not mean much by themselves except they are within

range and not out of squew.

> TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

TK--- TSH is high and could be lower new guidelines are much lower

than this range.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm beginning to try these out, but feel I need a better idea of how

> to use them.

>

> I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

>

> http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

>

> and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

>

> http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

>

> I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

> meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, so good

Wow - that's a lot! Maybe slow down a bit? Did you add these

one at a time? If not, maybe drop the thyroid and see how

you are with just the adrenal supp?

> things are happening. However, I'm waking up about an hour early and

> can't get back to sleep.

Hm. More reason to try reduced dose or drop one and see what's

happening.

> Should I be taking my doses at different times? Is this too much?

I don't know enough - maybe someone else has more experience

with glandulars. I seem to have the idea that glandulars can

jump start things if the gland is really exhausted, but not

necessarily good long term. Not sure where I got that, though.

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

> P.S. Is there a list that would be best to join to learn more?

I have joined a few, but they are all a bit overwhelming to me :-)

NaturalThyroidHormones and thyroid group are fairly active and

you'll get some good feedback, and useful info in the files/links.

> Also, here are the thyroid tests results I have (I realize that TK

> recommends additional tests, but I don't have them):

>

> Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

> Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

> TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

>

Definitely looks hypo.

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[Guest guest]

> > TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

>

> TK--- TSH is high and could be lower new guidelines are much lower

> than this range.

>

Hi TK,

Thanks for your reply. Just to be clear, I thought the new range

upper bound was 3, so my TSH would be just under that. Right?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

> > I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

> >

> > http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

> >

> > and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

> >

> > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

> >

> > I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

> > meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, so good

> Wow - that's a lot! Maybe slow down a bit? Did you add these

> one at a time? If not, maybe drop the thyroid and see how

> you are with just the adrenal supp?

I did 1/2 cap of the adrenal cortex per day split into 3 doses for 2

weeks before adding the 1/2 cap of thyroid glandulars split into 3

doses. I've been on the combo for about 2 weeks. I don't feel bad

from losing 10 lbs so quickly. I could stand to lose 30 or 40 more.

But, you are right that slow and sure is better.

> > Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

> > Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

> > TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

>

> Definitely looks hypo.

Why do you say that? I know the range for TSH is supposed to have an

upper bound of 3.0, which mine was barely under. I know that having

free T3 in the upper half or third of range is optimal. Mine

certainly is not there. Is that what you meant?

Thanks,

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> > > I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

> > >

> > > http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

> > >

> > > and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

> > >

> > > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

> > >

> > > I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

> > > meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks,

so good

>

> > Wow - that's a lot! Maybe slow down a bit? Did you add these

> > one at a time? If not, maybe drop the thyroid and see how

> > you are with just the adrenal supp?

>

> I did 1/2 cap of the adrenal cortex per day split into 3 doses for 2

> weeks before adding the 1/2 cap of thyroid glandulars split into 3

> doses. I've been on the combo for about 2 weeks. I don't feel bad

> from losing 10 lbs so quickly. I could stand to lose 30 or 40 more.

> But, you are right that slow and sure is better.

My opinion is it's a bit unwise to lose weight quickly - greater

chance of losing muscle rather than fat. Losing fat takes time.

You have to burn it. A couple pounds per week sounds a lot more

sensible to me.

I like TK's idea of omitting the last dose. I think taking thyroid

hormone too late can cause problems, and I wouldn't be surprised

if glandulars do it, too.

> > > Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

> > > Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

> > > TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

> >

> > Definitely looks hypo.

>

> Why do you say that? I know the range for TSH is supposed to have an

> upper bound of 3.0, which mine was barely under. I know that having

> free T3 in the upper half or third of range is optimal. Mine

> certainly is not there. Is that what you meant?

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

I give a lot of credence to Andy on this topic. He has said

the upper 1/4 of the range is ideal (although perhaps he was

referring more to kids?). He has also commented something about

the statistical unlikelihood of TSH being in the 2.x range with

normal thyroid function. Even my MD has commented on my thyroid

results when I had TSH of 2.x - as in " we need to watch your

thyroid " . Of course, now my TSH has shifted low again.

From what I understand, symptoms are more meaningful than test

results. Tests are more for tracking changes over time and for

optimizing treatment.

I am fairly new to thyroid issues (or at least to believing I have

one), so mine is a relatively naive view.

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[Guest guest]

> > > TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

> >

> > TK--- TSH is high and could be lower new guidelines are much

lower

> > than this range.

> >

>

> Hi TK,

>

> Thanks for your reply. Just to be clear, I thought the new range

> upper bound was 3, so my TSH would be just under that.

TK--- The [high] end for western med is three, many think it should

be lower 2 or lower. That said if you are having thyroid problems

TSH whether it is low or high doesn't really mean much and it needs

to be supplemented. TSH only means you are producing Thyroid

stimulating Hormone which may or may not be doing what it is supposed

to. Without the other tests you can't figure anything out.

Right?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! -

I highly recommend the new yahoogroups list called

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

The problem with adrenal glandulars it that the companies can't label the

amount of cortisol or other adrenal hormones. Many of them also contain

epinephrines which we don't need more of ans which can increase anxiety and

such.

You can get all the excellent help that has made

the NaturalThyroidHormones list

the one that has helped many of us save our selves as well as good insight

about treating adrenals.

Most of us feel better and our symptoms go away when we treat with natural

thyroid hormone and suppress our TSH (a pituitary hormone) to close to zero.

How do you feel? Do you have symptoms? You might want to take a look at

www.drrind.com That website has a very helpful chart for charting and

reading

basal temperatures.

I personally found the 4 x in one day saliva cortisol profile (aka the

Adrenal Stress Index or ASI) extremely helpful. These can be ordered (also

part of a package that is a decent bargain at 141.00 for joining the " club " )

at www.CanaryClub.org

HTH,

....

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm beginning to try these out, but feel I need a better idea of how

> to use them.

>

> I've got Allergy Research TG 100:

>

> http://nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=714

>

> and Thorne Adrenal Cortex:

>

> http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4170

>

> I've tried half a capsule per day of each split into 3 doses with

> meals. I do feel more energy and I've lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, so good

> things are happening. However, I'm waking up about an hour early and

> can't get back to sleep.

>

> Should I be taking my doses at different times? Is this too much?

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

> P.S. Is there a list that would be best to join to learn more?

>

> Also, here are the thyroid tests results I have (I realize that TK

> recommends additional tests, but I don't have them):

>

> Free T4: 1.19 rr .61-1.76

> Free T3: 3.0 rr 2.3-4.2

> TSH: 2.997 rr .350-5.5

>