Re: OT: Jackie T. Update---I'm still kicking!

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie. Sorry to hear about all you've been going through. I too have been

real sick several times in the past month. First time in several years which

tells me my immune system is awakening. As to your mother, I would definately

check out the lymephotos.com site and think about putting her on salt/c. I'm

not sure about Parkinsons but I have heard of others diagnosed with MS who got

well on Salt/C. It turned out to be lymes and NOT MS. Really might be worth

checking into. You could always post your story on the group site

(lymestrategies ) and see what they think. Best wishes. Carol B

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Hi Jackie,

Really nice to see you back! I wondered what happened to you.

I'm sorry for your losses and the other stresses you have been

dealing with. It's wonderful that you're able to help out

your Mom! A big stressor though, so glad you have other help.

Have you continued chelating through all these events in your

life? Hope it is going well! Let us know about your supplement

issues - maybe we can help track down what's causing what.

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>

> Hi everybody!

>

> You probably all thought I fell off the face of the earth, but no

such luck, I've just been extremely busy the last 2 months, and

surprised that the stress of it all hasn't killed me yet. We brought

my mom home from the nursing home on Nov. 1st, and she is doing much

better at home. We hired lots of help, but I'm still quite involved

helping out, taking her to appointments, etc. (She has Parkinson's

Disease.) We started giving her epsom salt baths, and they have

helped her mobility/flexibility greatly. She even asks for them. So

it has been wonderful to see the improvements.

>

> On the not so bright side, we have had 3 funerals in less than 2

months, and actually another uncle just passed away, but that one is

far away, so won't be attending that one. In early December, my

father-in-law passed away, so that was very draining and

time-consuming right before the holidays.

>

> And to top it all off, I am about 6-7 months post-amalgam removal,

so I am right in the middle of the " hump " of feeling worse, according

to Andy's graph on page 52 of Amalgam Illness. And it seems to be

holding true. I have gotten sick off and on this fall/winter, and it

seems to be viruses. It seems to happen after a round of chelation.

I've had to back off on taking so many supplements, because they seem

to be bothering me to take so many, and I'm experimenting with enzymes

and probiotics for my digestion, which I have upset sometimes by

taking too much oil of oregano for the viral issues. I remember Andy

saying that gut bugs and everything else can go wild about 6 months

after removal, and he seems to be right. So I think if I can just

make it through this winter, I'll be on the downside of the hump, and

on my way.

>

> So, I don't think I'll be able to read all of the 1800 messages

piled up in my email from various groups, but I will try to catch up

with you guys and get back in the loop, now that the holidays are

over. I have missed you guys, and I hope everybody had nice holidays,

and here's to a healthier new year for all of us!

>

> Jackie T.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

Really nice to see you back! I wondered what happened to you.

I'm sorry for your losses and the other stresses you have been

dealing with. It's wonderful that you're able to help out

your Mom! A big stressor though, so glad you have other help.

----Thanks . You guys are like a second family, the one that really

understands, so I couldn't stay away forever!------Jackie T>

Have you continued chelating through all these events in your

life? Hope it is going well!

----I have managed to squeeze in 3 rounds of chelation since November, lasting

between 4 to 6 days long each time. I feel better on a round, so it was almost

a necessity sometimes. But I also seem prone to getting sick, usually seems

viral, after a round of chelation, so I am experimenting more with anti-virals

and high doses of Vit C. It seems to help, but when I take too much, it seems

to mess with my digestion/stomach/etc. I think maybe I'm killing off too much

stuff or maybe the good stuff also, because I become very gassy when I take too

much oil of oregano and Vit C. They talk alot about viral issues on the A-M

site, and I think its a problem for me also. But I know I have to keep

chelatinng whenever I can and feel up to it.-------Jackie t.

Let us know about your supplement

issues - maybe we can help track down what's causing what.

------I haven't had time to focus on it right now. I tried a different brand of

digestive enzyme, and it seems I may only need to take 1 per meal instead of 2.

I usually take most of my supplements after a meal, and maybe it was too much at

once, or maybe I have had enough of something and don't need to take it anymore?

Or maybe I threw off my digestive system with all the oil of oregano? I had to

switch to buffered Vit C awhile ago, because the ascorbic acid form started to

bother my stomach. Or maybe all the recent stress played a factor? Who knows.

I'm starting to wonder if my digestion/absorption is getting better and I don't

need or I get more out of my food and supplements now than I used to. Like

lately I have been craving lettuce/salads. I think I may have to do what I have

heard them do on the A-M site sometimes, and that is stop all or most

supplements, and reintroduce them one at a time, to try to figure out which ones

I still need. Not sure when I'll get to that though! Sorry to ramble on about

this!--------Jackie T.

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>

> Hi everybody!

>

> You probably all thought I fell off the face of the earth, but no

such luck, I've just been extremely busy the last 2 months, and

surprised that the stress of it all hasn't killed me yet. We brought

my mom home from the nursing home on Nov. 1st, and she is doing much

better at home. We hired lots of help, but I'm still quite involved

helping out, taking her to appointments, etc. (She has Parkinson's

Disease.) We started giving her epsom salt baths, and they have

helped her mobility/flexibility greatly. She even asks for them. So

it has been wonderful to see the improvements.

>

> On the not so bright side, we have had 3 funerals in less than 2

months, and actually another uncle just passed away, but that one is

far away, so won't be attending that one. In early December, my

father-in-law passed away, so that was very draining and

time-consuming right before the holidays.

>

> And to top it all off, I am about 6-7 months post-amalgam removal,

so I am right in the middle of the " hump " of feeling worse, according

to Andy's graph on page 52 of Amalgam Illness. And it seems to be

holding true. I have gotten sick off and on this fall/winter, and it

seems to be viruses. It seems to happen after a round of chelation.

I've had to back off on taking so many supplements, because they seem

to be bothering me to take so many, and I'm experimenting with enzymes

and probiotics for my digestion, which I have upset sometimes by

taking too much oil of oregano for the viral issues. I remember Andy

saying that gut bugs and everything else can go wild about 6 months

after removal, and he seems to be right. So I think if I can just

make it through this winter, I'll be on the downside of the hump, and

on my way.

>

> So, I don't think I'll be able to read all of the 1800 messages

piled up in my email from various groups, but I will try to catch up

with you guys and get back in the loop, now that the holidays are

over. I have missed you guys, and I hope everybody had nice holidays,

and here's to a healthier new year for all of us!

>

> Jackie T.

[Guest guest]

> ------I haven't had time to focus on it right now. I tried a

different brand of digestive enzyme, and it seems I may only need to

take 1 per meal instead of 2.

S> Did you do a hair test, Jackie? I can't remember. That can

sometimes tell you whether enzymes and/or betaine HCL can help.

Maybe you don't especially need enzymes. Or maybe you need a

different type.

I usually take most of my supplements after a meal, and maybe it was

too much at once,

S> I'm finding it better to take them right in the middle of the

meal. Maybe this is superstitious behavior, but I just feel like

if I take them at the beginning they are rumbling around on the

bottom of my stomach, and if I take them at the end, they are

rolling around on top. Yecch - sorry for the graphic images.

But right in the middle of the meal seems good to me.

or maybe I have had enough of something and don't need to take it

anymore?

S> Could be. That seems to happen a lot with the kids on A-M.

Or maybe I threw off my digestive system with all the oil of oregano?

S> It is pretty powerful. I think it was you who recommended that

one to me. I find it helpful for short periods, but I think its

potency sort of accumulates over a few days, or something.

I had to switch to buffered Vit C awhile ago, because the ascorbic

acid form started to bother my stomach. Or maybe all the recent

stress played a factor? Who knows. I'm starting to wonder if my

digestion/absorption is getting better and I don't need or I get more

out of my food and supplements now than I used to. Like lately I have

been craving lettuce/salads. I think I may have to do what I have

heard them do on the A-M site sometimes, and that is stop all or most

supplements, and reintroduce them one at a time, to try to figure out

S> I stopped all my supplements for three days a few weeks ago to

have blood tests (required having supplements out of my system).

I felt absolutely horrible and couldn't wait to start them again.

You might consider stopping half of them for awhile - if you feel

better then add back one at a time until you find the culprit.

If you feel worse, switch to the other half that you omitted.

You get the idea. Of course, we're all different so maybe stopping

all will be fine for you.

which ones I still need. Not sure when I'll get to that though!

Sorry to ramble on about this!--------Jackie T.

S> Ramble away! We missed you!

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[Guest guest]

> ------I haven't had time to focus on it right now. I tried a

different brand of digestive enzyme, and it seems I may only need to

take 1 per meal instead of 2.

S> Did you do a hair test, Jackie? I can't remember. That can

sometimes tell you whether enzymes and/or betaine HCL can help.

Maybe you don't especially need enzymes. Or maybe you need a

different type.

I usually take most of my supplements after a meal, and maybe it was

too much at once,

S> I'm finding it better to take them right in the middle of the

meal. Maybe this is superstitious behavior, but I just feel like

if I take them at the beginning they are rumbling around on the

bottom of my stomach, and if I take them at the end, they are

rolling around on top. Yecch - sorry for the graphic images.

But right in the middle of the meal seems good to me.

or maybe I have had enough of something and don't need to take it

anymore?

S> Could be. That seems to happen a lot with the kids on A-M.

Or maybe I threw off my digestive system with all the oil of oregano?

S> It is pretty powerful. I think it was you who recommended that

one to me. I find it helpful for short periods, but I think its

potency sort of accumulates over a few days, or something.

I had to switch to buffered Vit C awhile ago, because the ascorbic

acid form started to bother my stomach. Or maybe all the recent

stress played a factor? Who knows. I'm starting to wonder if my

digestion/absorption is getting better and I don't need or I get more

out of my food and supplements now than I used to. Like lately I have

been craving lettuce/salads. I think I may have to do what I have

heard them do on the A-M site sometimes, and that is stop all or most

supplements, and reintroduce them one at a time, to try to figure out

S> I stopped all my supplements for three days a few weeks ago to

have blood tests (required having supplements out of my system).

I felt absolutely horrible and couldn't wait to start them again.

You might consider stopping half of them for awhile - if you feel

better then add back one at a time until you find the culprit.

If you feel worse, switch to the other half that you omitted.

You get the idea. Of course, we're all different so maybe stopping

all will be fine for you.

which ones I still need. Not sure when I'll get to that though!

Sorry to ramble on about this!--------Jackie T.

S> Ramble away! We missed you!

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[Guest guest]

I've heard oil of oregano mentioned for candida. Is it possible you're having a

die off reaction of candida instead of killing off the beneficial stuff? carol

B

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[Guest guest]

I've heard oil of oregano mentioned for candida. Is it possible you're having a

die off reaction of candida instead of killing off the beneficial stuff? carol

B

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Yes it is probably that, but I'm wondering if I'm killing the good stuff too!

It has always helped me with viruses and sinus infections, etc., but it seems I

have to be careful not to take too much. Always a balancing act and trying to

figure out what is doing what!----Jackie T.

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[Guest guest]

> Jackie----Yes I had a hair test, and my Ca/P ratio is low, .616,

and I believe that is the one that points to needing enzymes. I seem

to need them and haven't had a problem until recently, so I am

suspecting it is this new brand that doesn't agree with me as well or

that I only need to take one instead of two, like I was used to doing

with other brands. I also tried a digestive aide supplement with

betaine HCL in it, and that seemed to upset me also. So I'm thinking

I really only need the enzymes and not the HCL, unless that was

because of the brand or what else was in it.

TK--- HCL needs to be added slowly in small increments to avoid

stomach upset for many people. The fact that did is a sign you have

low stomach acid actually need it. It is said if you have low

stomach acid and take enzymes the enzymes can eat at the stomach

lining aslo causing upset.

>

> I usually take most of my supplements after a meal, and maybe it was

> too much at once,

TK--- Supplement should be taken preferably with meals especially HCL

and enzymes.

>

> S> I'm finding it better to take them right in the middle of the

> meal.

TK--- Right

Maybe this is superstitious behavior, but I just feel like

> if I take them at the beginning they are rumbling around on the

> bottom of my stomach, and if I take them at the end, they are

> rolling around on top.

TK--- This is correct and it can cause upset.

Yecch - sorry for the graphic images.

> But right in the middle of the meal seems good to me.

> ---------------------

> Jackie-----That sounds like a good plan, I'll have to try to do

that.

> -----------------------

[Guest guest]

My understanding of HCL has always been that you take it till it burns. Then

you back down one and that is how much you need. If you take one and get

burning then you probably don't need it. I had a stool test that showed I haave

an alkaline stomache. I've taken as much as 4 HCL without noticing any thing.

Carol B

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, If I may chime in here, Oil of Oregano is used a lot in some

candida detox formulations, so I don't believe it kills off the good

bacteria. I did a candida detox with Fungal Defense which has Oregano

in it plus other good stuff. My doc did not have me follow the protocol

on the bottle (2 week detox), but 3 month detox at a lower dosage than

on the bottle. I forget now the protocol, but if you want it I can look

back in my records that I keep. Your symptoms are probably from the

candida die off which is good if you can tollerate that. V

Most of the time I only need it for a couple of days or so, but I have

had a sinus/throat/ear thing that wants to linger. I seem to keep it

at bay with the oregano, but I made my stomach feel rather sick by

taking too much one day. I also notice that I get very gassy after

taking too much of it, so I think its killing lots of stuff, and maybe

the good stuff also, so I am taking probiotics too. Lots of trial and

error with this self-medicating!

> -----------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding of HCL has always been that you take it till it burns. Then

you back down one and that is how much you need. If you take one and get

burning then you probably don't need it. I had a stool test that showed I haave

an alkaline stomache. I've taken as much as 4 HCL without noticing any thing.

Carol B

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Yes, that is what my DO told me too. He gave me a few as a sample last summer,

they were Metagenics brand. Since I live far away from him, I ordered a Gastric

Aid from VRP that has betaine HCL, but other stuff also. So I don't know if

this is something that is very brand sensitive, and maybe I'll have to get the

Metagenics one and try that again. I took one of the Gastric Aid's today DURING

lunch, no enzymes, and everything seems to be fine----no burning, no belching,

nothing. So I'll just keep experimenting!

What brand of stomach acid do others take? Or did/does the brand matter for

you?

Jackie t.

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HI Jackie. I've tried so many brands over the years I don't even remember what

they were. I have yet to find either an HCL or Enzyme that has made a

difference in my digestion. Boy have I had problems this week (another story)

but I think I'm having a nasty herx from the salt/c. If so, that is actually a

good thing. Carol B

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[Guest guest]

>

> I've heard oil of oregano mentioned for candida. Is it possible

you're having a die off reaction of candida instead of killing off

the beneficial stuff? carol B

> -----------------------------------

> Yes it is probably that, but I'm wondering if I'm killing the good

stuff too! It has always helped me with viruses and sinus infections,

etc., but it seems I have to be careful not to take too much. Always

a balancing act and trying to figure out what is doing what!----Jackie T.

Some things that kill candida also kill good bacteria (GSE), but

some don't (caprylic acid). Does oregano oil kill both - or just

the bad stuff?

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