Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 I met someone who had R.A. and went on a strict diet of all organic produce and only one small piece of cold-water fish per day. She also ate healthy whole grains, brown rice, beans, etc. She ate nothing processed, no sugar, and no white flour. It took her nine months, but her R.A. totally left. This was about four years ago. She did this very early after getting the disease. She never went on meds. She had it pretty severe, also. She was almost totally bedridden. I personally don't think that it could cure everyone. However, I do believe everyone could benefit somewhat from this. It only makes good sense because you are ceasing to put more toxins in your body. I have difficulty doing this diet because I am currently on 18 mg. prednisone which makes me fluctuate between steroidal diabetes and hypoglycemia. Also, my husband likes to eat many unhealthy foods, which makes it difficult. It is something, however, that I really need to try. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 > > It took her nine months, but her R.A. totally left. This was about four > years ago. She did this very early after getting the disease. She never > went on meds. She had it pretty severe, also. She was almost totally > bedridden. Before you start getting the rotten tomatoes ready, ; ) let me first say that I think diet can be an important factor, for some even crucial, depending on their metabolism and their current diet, but I went through diet hell for years back when I was undiagnosed but symptomatic, all kinds of elimination diets, macrobiotic, vegan etc, with no improvement in symptoms, so when I hear of the miracle diet-only cures I have to wonder how many of them fit in the category described below. (copied from the great link Agnes posted here recently--Thanks!) I do not think diet alone can cure severe or longstanding disease, but that is just my own humble opinion and experience. Wanna disagree with me? Go right ahead, but remember that means you are in effect calling Dr Brown a liar! ; ) Liz G ~~~~~~~~copied excerpt follows~~~~~~~~ http://content.health.msn.com/content/dmk/dmk_article_40005 How Serious Is Rheumatoid Arthritis? Some experts classify rheumatoid arthritis as type 1 or type 2. Type 1, the less common form, lasts a few months at most and leaves no permanent disability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Hi Agnes, If you believe that diet is the answer, and you don't know what diet, there is one solution. You have to have nothing but water for 5 days. Then you have to introduce foods slowly, one every couple of days or so, and see how you react to it. If you have a bad reaction, note the last 2 foods you introduced, drop them for the moment, and continue until you know what it is that's causing your problems. If you do this strictly, it will be very difficult and tiresome. You will be lacking in energy for a long time. I have wanted to do it myself, but I have a reasonable idea of what is my problem (starch). I tried a couple of months ago, but felt ill very quickly, and had to give it up. My doctor did suggest grape and grape juice for these 5 days, which would be a good source of glucose and fructose, so hopefully keeping my mind and body awake! This is what I have been recommended anyway. Other suggestions greatly appreciated! Regards, > I just got a letter from my cousin (in Hungary) who said that she had > a lot of problems with her hands, wrists, so much pain that she > coulnd't use them and the doctors couldn't find the reason for it, so > she got no help. Then she started a no meat diet and her hands are > better, and this was years ago. She still eats only fish, but she > didn't give up milk and such. It would be worth to try it only if my > husband would be willing to go on a diet with me > On the other hand , who is a member in this group, started a no > flours, sugar, diet and she is much better on that. So I think it is > different for different people, we just have to find the one that is > helpful for us. > Off the soap box > Hugs, Agnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 This is the beginning of an article from Arthritis Today, at the Arthritis Foundation web site, <http://arthritis.org/readarthritistoday/1999_09_10elimination_diets.asp> I think it is a well balanced presentation. There is no ultimate agreement, but a good presentation of several points of view. One doctor who has studied the role of diet in arthritis states that most people who are helped by dietary changes have milder, sero-negative disease, much as Liz speculates. (That is apparently not true of the first case cited.) They do not discuss the role of diet in AS. I believe if you have AS, as does, it is absolutely worth while to try to cut out as much starch as possible. I also feel that those of us with closely related diseases, such ReA and PA, have nothing to lose but pain in giving it a try. What I don't like is the guilt trip often lingering just below the surface of many of the exhortations to change our diets. " I cured myself with diet, you must just not have the will-power or insight necessary, or you would be better, too. " So I say, acquaint yourself with the principles involved, from both the mainstream and alternative viewpoints, try reasonable dietary changes, but realize that just because one person can identify foods that exacerbate her symptoms doesn't mean that the same will hold true for everybody. Jean Elimination Diets By Anne Dunkin Can tomatoes trigger flares? Can corn cause inflammation? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe, maybe not. Here¹s what the experts say and what you should do if you if you suspect that food is influencing your arthritis. In 1981 the British Medical Journal reported the story of a London woman who had lived with severe arthritis for 25 years when she tried eliminating corn products from her diet. After one week the woman began feeling better than she had in years. > > >> >> It took her nine months, but her R.A. totally left. This was about four >> years ago. She did this very early after getting the disease. She never >> went on meds. She had it pretty severe, also. She was almost totally >> bedridden. > > Before you start getting the rotten tomatoes ready, ; ) let me first say > that I think diet can be an important factor, for some even crucial, > depending on their metabolism and their current diet, but I went through > diet hell for years back when I was undiagnosed but symptomatic, all kinds > of elimination diets, macrobiotic, vegan etc, with no improvement in > symptoms, so when I hear of the miracle diet-only cures I have to wonder how > many of them fit in the category described below. (copied from the great > link Agnes posted here recently--Thanks!) I do not think diet alone can > cure severe or longstanding disease, but that is just my own humble opinion > and experience. Wanna disagree with me? Go right ahead, but remember that > means you are in effect calling Dr Brown a liar! ; ) Liz G > ~~~~~~~~copied excerpt follows~~~~~~~~ > http://content.health.msn.com/content/dmk/dmk_article_40005 > How Serious Is Rheumatoid Arthritis? > > Some experts classify rheumatoid arthritis as type 1 or type 2. Type 1, the > less common form, lasts a few months at most and leaves no permanent > disability. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rate your local doctor or dentist for a chance to win $5,000! > Click here NOW to register to win. > 1/5598/0/_/532797/_/961736175/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 There is a well-known nutrtionist in Houston, Texas with the last name of Steeves. He went into nutrition because of his illness and subsequent healing. I am fairly certain that he had AS. He was healed by a strict, whole foods diet. I can probably find the name of his clinic if anyone is interested. He indicated that if he went off of his strict diet and ate pizza, even for one meal, that he could feel the disease trying to come back or some sort of pain. Moderate improvement in diet, therefore, may not be enough for results. Some people can change eating habits completely, but I think the numbers are few. Most of us would have a struggle abstaining from all of our favorite foods all of the time. Not to mention the preparation involved with whole foods. I don't think believing that diet can heal some people is contradictory to believing Dr. Brown's theory. You can still believe in mycoplasma as the cause, but believe that, in some cases, diet can let the immune system take over. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Re: rheumatic more on diet > Hi Agnes, > > If you believe that diet is the answer, and you don't know what diet, there > is one solution. > > You have to have nothing but water for 5 days. Then you have to introduce > foods slowly, one every couple of days or so, and see how you react to it. If > you have a bad reaction, note the last 2 foods you introduced, drop them for > the moment, and continue until you know what it is that's causing your > problems. > > If you do this strictly, it will be very difficult and tiresome. You will be > lacking in energy for a long time. I have wanted to do it myself, but I have > a reasonable idea of what is my problem (starch). I tried a couple of months > ago, but felt ill very quickly, and had to give it up. No No No, you missed the point. This is dangerous. Having fasted for 3 day stints i can tell you this would be dangerous. The toxins you release can kill you, especially after taking drugs for years. Seek professional help for any fast over 3 days. Best thing is to go 1 day, then wait a couple weeks and go 3 days with fresh juice. You will not get tired. After 3 days of juice fasting i have more energy that before. The problem is your full of toxins and its a lifelong commitment to solve this problem You dont get tired from not eating solid food, or skipping sugar(if you break the addiction), you need some fresh vegetable juice, not sugar,and thats all for energy. i think also you get tired because your body is releasing toxins and drugs that are in your tissues, its trying to purge itself. You can feel the effects of drugs you have taken years ago. Your bowel movement stinks to high heaven and your breath is terrible and bad taste in your mouth, clammy skin. All signs of detoxing and this can start in 2 or 3 days. The key word here is you give up, you went to one doctor and his method didnt work so you gave up. You say you need sugar, but thats because your addicted. I never eat sugar, starch, animal meat, dairy, refined foods, soda, caffine and im never tired, i can skip food all day and stay the same. I can skip food for 3 days and feel the same energy, or more. Its breaking a cycle. Ive been there in my macdonalds, coca cola days and i know what your saying, I know what its like to be addicted to certain foods, and i know what your feeling. Used to be, If i didnt eat regularly i got tired. I needed the stimulants from the sugars, But now my energy comes from within. I will never go back to those days because i see the difference these changes have made for me and others. Often when i eat with others they will say to me, is that all your going to eat? I might have a salad and some vegetables. The thing is, when your body has is nutrition it wont crave food. I eat much less than most people and i dont crave foods like i used to. If you dont give yourself adequet nutrition then your body will want you to eat to fulfill that need and so you eat more junk, sugars, but no nutrition. So most people end up fat and malnurished and sick. Another point is when you eat hard to digest foods like meat or cheese, refined flours it takes a huge amout of energy to digest these foods and you become tired. Its a strain on your body especially when you are sick. You should eat only positive foods that digest easy and strengthen you, never eat depleteing or negative foods. Thats why so many people cure various diseases like cancer by juicing, easily absorbed and digested leaving all your energy for recovering and healing. > > My doctor did suggest grape and grape juice for these 5 days, which would be > a good source of glucose and fructose, so hopefully keeping my mind and body > awake! Right, feeding your sugar addiction. Break this before fasting and you will do much better. Carrot juice would be a better choice, less sugar and powerful antioxidant and nutrition. > > This is what I have been recommended anyway. Other suggestions greatly > appreciated! See a fasting professional, you may become enlightened. Learn about your food addictions. Break your sugar addiction. Learn to eat positive foods. Go slow, dont try for 5 days, try 24 hours and work up. > > Regards, > > > > > I just got a letter from my cousin (in Hungary) who said that she had > > a lot of problems with her hands, wrists, so much pain that she > > coulnd't use them and the doctors couldn't find the reason for it, so > > she got no help. Then she started a no meat diet and her hands are > > better, and this was years ago. She still eats only fish, but she > > didn't give up milk and such. It would be worth to try it only if my > > husband would be willing to go on a diet with me > > On the other hand , who is a member in this group, started a no > > flours, sugar, diet and she is much better on that. So I think it is > > different for different people, we just have to find the one that is > > helpful for us. > > Off the soap box > > Hugs, Agnes > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shop at gazoontite.com & breathe happier and healthier! Click here! > 1/5491/0/_/532797/_/961751196/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 How would you take medicines if only taking in water? This would be vry traumatic to to stomach. I would throw up violently if I tried to take doxi on an empty stomach and would have a stomach of fire if I tried to take an antiinflamamtory or plaquenil without food. And if I did not take the Vioxx , I am not sure that I would be able to move! At 10:06 AM 6/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Agnes, > >If you believe that diet is the answer, and you don't know what diet, there >is one solution. > >You have to have nothing but water for 5 days. Then you have to introduce >foods slowly, one every couple of days or so, and see how you react to it. If >you have a bad reaction, note the last 2 foods you introduced, drop them for >the moment, and continue until you know what it is that's causing your >problems. > >If you do this strictly, it will be very difficult and tiresome. You will be >lacking in energy for a long time. I have wanted to do it myself, but I have >a reasonable idea of what is my problem (starch). I tried a couple of months >ago, but felt ill very quickly, and had to give it up. > >My doctor did suggest grape and grape juice for these 5 days, which would be >a good source of glucose and fructose, so hopefully keeping my mind and body >awake! > >This is what I have been recommended anyway. Other suggestions greatly >appreciated! > >Regards, > > > >> I just got a letter from my cousin (in Hungary) who said that she had >> a lot of problems with her hands, wrists, so much pain that she >> coulnd't use them and the doctors couldn't find the reason for it, so >> she got no help. Then she started a no meat diet and her hands are >> better, and this was years ago. She still eats only fish, but she >> didn't give up milk and such. It would be worth to try it only if my >> husband would be willing to go on a diet with me >> On the other hand , who is a member in this group, started a no >> flours, sugar, diet and she is much better on that. So I think it is >> different for different people, we just have to find the one that is >> helpful for us. >> Off the soap box >> Hugs, Agnes > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Shop at gazoontite.com & breathe happier and healthier! Click here! >1/5491/0/_/532797/_/961751196/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Re: rheumatic more on diet > There is a well-known nutrtionist in Houston, Texas with the last name of > Steeves. > He went into nutrition because of his illness and subsequent healing. > > I am fairly certain that he had AS. He was healed by a strict, whole foods > diet. I can probably find the name of his clinic if anyone is interested. He > indicated that if he went off of his strict diet and ate pizza, even for one > meal, that he could feel the disease trying to come back or some sort of > pain. Moderate improvement in diet, therefore, may not be enough for results. > Some people can change eating habits completely, but I think the numbers are > few. Most of us would have a struggle abstaining from all of our favorite > foods all of the time. Not to mention the preparation involved with whole > foods. Preparation of whole foods is easy, change your habbits by taking charge of your life. Learn that food is a tool, or necessity, not a luxury. > > I don't think believing that diet can heal some people is contradictory to > believing Dr. Brown's theory. You can still believe in mycoplasma as the > cause, but believe that, in some cases, diet can let the immune system take > over. Very good!!! Diet and Minocin go hand in hand. I belive in mycoplasma but i also think its possible to become strong enough to overcome it. > Carol > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > STEALS AND DEALS! Cheapest prices on airfare, new cars, insurance, maids, > contractors, collectibles, more. Get exactly what you want at the lowest > price. New FREE service! > 1/5746/0/_/532797/_/961791172/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Hi, When I went on a total water only fast for ten days (not one bite and not one drink other than water) in 1997, I had had RA and many drugs for years. After the two days, my heart started racing because of my thyroid pill which I always take. I was told to go off all meds for the duration of the fast. After that I was fine. I drove myself to the doctor after five days, although I felt wobbly. Near the end I got very weak, but I had no further trouble with my heart after giving up the meds. I also had no pain after the second day even though I had been really suffering, as you can imagine, or I wouldn't have stuck to the fast in the first place. Sadly, when I began to reintroduce foods, which I did very gradually and under a doctor's supervision, the PAIN came back just exactly like before. I lost fifteen pounds and everyone said I looked very sick and I was very sick with RA. The " released toxins that can kill you " thing just strikes me as a bunch of hooey. Thanks, Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Maybe Carafate would help with taking meds while fasting on water? (Not that I myself would attempt it as I have essentially the same violent stomach reactions to meds as you). But it totally protected my stomach when I was taking heavy duty doses of NSAIDS. Babs RA 8/98, DX 4/99, AP 11/99 200 mg. Minocin 112 mcg. Synthroid 2 mg. Hytrin 10 mg. Lipitor Mestinon Vits. & Misc. Suplmts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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