Re: Blood test Result

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>The problem is that most doctors do not know how to interpret these tests

properly. You can post your test results here or in one of the thyroid groups

if you want a better interpretation of them.<

This is one of the blood test result:

Hematology Result Reference Range

hemoglobin 150 135-180 G/L

Hematocrit 0.440 0.37-0.54 L/L

WBC count 4.7 4.0-11.0 X10 9/L

RBC count 4.99 4.50-6.50 X10 12/L

mcv 88.1 80-97 FL

mch 30.0 27.0-32.0 PG

mchc 340 320-360 G/L

rdw 13.7 11.0-14.5 %

platelet count 236 150-400 x10 9/L

Absolute:neutros 2.2 2.0-7.5 x10 9/L (A) lymph

1.9 1.1-3.3 x10 9/L

(A) mono 0.4 0.0-0.8 x10 9/L

(A) eos 0.2 0.0-0.5 x10 9/L

(A) baso 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10 9/L

RBC Morphology Normal

Platelets Normal

ESR PND MM/H

hs-CRP 0.2 MG/L

Antithyroid Antibodies

Thyrogloblin AB Negative Negative

Microsomal AB. Negative Negative

Chemistry Attention

Urea 2.8 3.0-8.2 MMOL/L

Creatinine 82 60-172 UMOL/L

eGFR 90 >90

Urate 176 180-450 UMOL/L

Sodium 141 135-146 MMOL/L

Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2 MMOL/L

Chloride 100 95-108 MMOL/L

Bicarbonate(co2) 30 21.0-28.0 MMOL/L

Albumin 45.3 33.0-46.0 G/L

Total Bilirubin 13.0 0.0-23.0 UMCL/L

ALK PHOS 85 30-110 U/L

AST 34 6-42 U/L

Hemoglobin A1c 0.053 0.040-0.060

Cholestrol 5.96 <520 MMOL/L

Triglycerides 1.03 <1.71 MMOL/L

HDL Cholestrol 1.32 >1.29 MMOL/L

LDL Cholestrol 4.17 See target

Chol/HDL ratio 4.52 see target

Low risk : <4.5 and <6.0

BTY, this is not the last test of cortisol and thyroid, which he said it was

normal.

>I don't know what would cause that. I suppose if you don't drink enough

water, then when you eat, your body pulls moisture from other places in your

body to help you digest?? You should drink plenty of water - very important for

detoxifying!<

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The diet I was following allowed only half an apple, and I was eating 4-5 piece

of fruit; may be that was causing the dryiness. If I need to deal with the

thyroid and adrenaline, could you please suggest what to take. The doctors said

everything was normal. Many thanks

Sardar

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Sorry I missed to add the following to the blood test result I just posted.

Result Reference Range

RIA

TSH 0.78 0.30-4.70 MU/L

T4 Free 11.4 9.1-23.8 PMOL/L

Vitamin B12 446 >131 PMOL/L

RBC Folate PND UMOL/L

Ferritin 60 27-220 UG/L

Sardar

[Guest guest]

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> >The problem is that most doctors do not know how to interpret these

tests properly. You can post your test results here or in one of the

thyroid groups if you want a better interpretation of them.<

I was talking specifically about thyroid and adrenal testing.

If you post total t3 and t4, free t3 and t4, tsh, and reverse t3,

many folks here can tell you something about those. Also, many

here can tell you something about saliva or blood cortisol tests.

The thyroid groups would have more information.

I am not an expert at interpreting most of the blood tests below,

but I'll look and see if I notice anything obvious.

> This is one of the blood test result:

>

> Hematology Result Reference Range

> hemoglobin 150 135-180 G/L

> Hematocrit 0.440 0.37-0.54 L/L

> WBC count 4.7 4.0-11.0 X10 9/L

> RBC count 4.99 4.50-6.50 X10 12/L

> mcv 88.1 80-97 FL

> mch 30.0 27.0-32.0 PG

> mchc 340 320-360 G/L

> rdw 13.7 11.0-14.5 %

> platelet count 236 150-400 x10 9/L

> Absolute:neutros 2.2 2.0-7.5 x10 9/L (A)

lymph 1.9 1.1-3.3 x10 9/L

> (A) mono 0.4 0.0-0.8 x10 9/L

> (A) eos 0.2 0.0-0.5 x10 9/L

> (A) baso 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10 9/L

> RBC Morphology Normal

> Platelets Normal

All of the above looks great!

> ESR PND MM/H

> hs-CRP 0.2 MG/L

I am not familar with these 2 tests:

> Antithyroid Antibodies

> Thyrogloblin AB Negative Negative

> Microsomal AB. Negative Negative

Good that thyroid antibodies are negative. No autoimmune

thyroid problem.

> Chemistry Attention

> Urea 2.8 3.0-8.2 MMOL/L

I am not sure why urea is low. Sometimes it *could* mean that

you are not detoxing ammonia properly. I don't know enough

about this to evaluate. You may want to ask your doctor why

this is below normal and/or do some research to find out

more about this result.

> Creatinine 82 60-172 UMOL/L

> eGFR 90 >90

> Urate 176 180-450 UMOL/L

I have never heard of eGFR or urate.

> Sodium 141 135-146 MMOL/L

> Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2 MMOL/L

> Chloride 100 95-108 MMOL/L

> Bicarbonate(co2) 30 21.0-28.0 MMOL/L

High bicarbonate can be due to some kinds of lung problems.

Also, some medicines can cause it. There are probably other

possibilities. I don't know enough to say what's going

on here, but these four should fit certain patterns when

they are normal.

I just did a quick search and found info that chloride and sodium

usually go the opposite of bicarbonate. Your chloride and sodium

seem about mid-range, but bicarbonate is high. Something might

be going on here. You may want to do some research and/or ask

your doctor why this result is abnormal.

> Albumin 45.3 33.0-46.0 G/L

> Total Bilirubin 13.0 0.0-23.0 UMCL/L

> ALK PHOS 85 30-110 U/L

> AST 34 6-42 U/L

> Hemoglobin A1c 0.053 0.040-0.060

> Cholestrol 5.96 <520 MMOL/L

Is the 5.96 above a typo? I don't know much about cholesterol

tests, but if that is correct, it sure is low.

> Triglycerides 1.03 <1.71 MMOL/L

> HDL Cholestrol 1.32 >1.29 MMOL/L

> LDL Cholestrol 4.17 See target

> Chol/HDL ratio 4.52 see target

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> Low risk : <4.5 and <6.0

> BTY, this is not the last test of cortisol and thyroid, which he

said it was normal.

> >I don't know what would cause that. I suppose if you don't drink

enough water, then when you eat, your body pulls moisture from other

places in your body to help you digest?? You should drink plenty of

water - very important for detoxifying!<

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> The diet I was following allowed only half an apple, and I was

eating 4-5 piece of fruit; may be that was causing the dryiness. If I

If you think fruit is causing a problem, stop eating it for

several days and see if the problem improves.

need to deal with the thyroid and adrenaline, could you please suggest

what to take. The doctors said everything was normal. Many thanks

> Sardar

Post your test results if you have them. I think it's better to

have the results before taking anything. The following symptoms

often occur with thyroid problems:

overweight

fatigue, lethargy

depression

constipation

feeling cold

low body temperature

achiness

dry hair / skin

hair loss

Adrenal symptoms might include:

anxiety

fatigue / weakness

inability to handle stress

difficulty getting up in morning

feel better at night

low blood sugar

lightheadedness upon standing

weight loss or gain

If you have some of these symptoms then low dose Armour thyroid

and/or low dose hydrocortisone might be helpful.

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[Guest guest]

>The problem is that most doctors do not know how to interpret these tests

properly.<

Thank you for taking the time and evaluating my result. I asked my doctor about

the two low results, and he said that it is better low than high. That much

they are capable. Thank God there is an alternative. I will research about

these two lows.

>Post your test results if you have them. I think it's better to have the

results before taking anything.

I will get a copy of the result next time i see the MD, and will post before

taking anything.

>I am not sure why urea is low. Sometimes it *could* mean that you are not

detoxing ammonia properly.<

When I get nausea and brain fog, eating raw onion or garlic gives me quick

relief. That is probably the toxin not properly eliminated.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

Sardar,

I checked back to your posts a few weeks ago to remind

myself of your situation. I had forgotten that you had

both hypo and hyper symptoms and had benign goiters

diagnosed by ultrasound.

The thyroid results you posted at that time do look

hypothyroid (lots of us are hypo with low TSH). I think

the real question is are you really having hyper symptoms,

or are those symptoms really adrenal?

Have you looked at your body temperature over the course

of the day? If it varies, that would be adrenal or mixed

adrenal/thyroid. Consistently low would be hypo. If it is

consistently high, that would be hyperthyroid.

Here's a list of adrenal vs. thyroid symptoms:

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

It doesn't cover hyperthyroid, but might help you in

thinking about whether adrenal issues are part of your

picture.

Of course, you might be right about hyperthyroid

symptoms. I believe some thyroid nodules are active

and produce excess hormone at times. I'm not sure the

best way to treat this - it may be very individual.

The thyroid groups would be more helpful if this is

the problem.

By the way, what you mention below about eating raw onion

or garlic to get relief from nausea and brain fog sounds

like dysbiosis.

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> >The problem is that most doctors do not know how to interpret these

tests properly.<

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> Thank you for taking the time and evaluating my result. I asked my

doctor about the two low results, and he said that it is better low

than high. That much they are capable. Thank God there is an

alternative. I will research about these two lows.

>

> >Post your test results if you have them. I think it's better to

have the results before taking anything.

>

> I will get a copy of the result next time i see the MD, and will

post before taking anything.

>

> >I am not sure why urea is low. Sometimes it *could* mean that you

are not detoxing ammonia properly.<

>

> When I get nausea and brain fog, eating raw onion or garlic gives me

quick relief. That is probably the toxin not properly eliminated.

> Sardar

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[Guest guest]

>The thyroid results you posted at that time do look hypothyroid (lots of us are

hypo with low TSH). I think the real question is are you really having hyper

symptoms, or are those symptoms really adrenal?<

The trouble is I am alternating between the two; it has been about two weeks

that my weight is stable (not losing). The list is very thorough; it may help

to clarify the problem.

>Have you looked at your body temperature over the course of the day? If it

varies, that would be adrenal or mixed adrenal/thyroid. Consistently low would

be hypo. If it is consistently high, that would be hyperthyroid.<

My body temperature has been chronically low. I even had chills in summertime.

I haven't taken more than 3 times a day, and I don't do it often. It doesn't go

over 97.0 nor lower than 96.6, I think it varies. Sun-bathing is very

enjoyable; to me it fuels my brain, and I feel recharged.

When I get the other two test results, I feel I will get diagnosis, at last.

>what you mention below about eating raw onion or garlic to get relief from

nausea and brain fog sounds like dysbiosis.<

I thought I may have parasite. I had tested for parasite in January, and it was

normal. I didn't find dysbiosis in the dictionary.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

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> >The thyroid results you posted at that time do look hypothyroid

(lots of us are hypo with low TSH). I think the real question is are

you really having hyper symptoms, or are those symptoms really adrenal?<

>

> The trouble is I am alternating between the two; it has been about

two weeks that my weight is stable (not losing). The list is very

thorough; it may help to clarify the problem.

>

> >Have you looked at your body temperature over the course of the

day? If it varies, that would be adrenal or mixed adrenal/thyroid.

Consistently low would be hypo. If it is consistently high, that

would be hyperthyroid.<

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> My body temperature has been chronically low. I even had chills in

summertime. I haven't taken more than 3 times a day, and I don't do

it often. It doesn't go over 97.0 nor lower than 96.6, I think it

varies. Sun-bathing is very enjoyable; to me it fuels my brain, and I

feel recharged.

> When I get the other two test results, I feel I will get diagnosis,

at last.

Low body temp is very indicative of hypothyroid. When your body

temp is low, you can develop all sorts of infections with parasites,

yeast, bacteria in the gut.

Sun-bathing, or other ways to maintain warmth will help. Exercise

will also help if you tolerate it.

> >what you mention below about eating raw onion or garlic to get

relief from nausea and brain fog sounds like dysbiosis.<

>

> I thought I may have parasite. I had tested for parasite in

January, and it was normal. I didn't find dysbiosis in the dictionary.

Dysbiosis is any imbalance of the microbial ecology in your gut.

Excessive levels of candida yeast, bacteria, parasites - all of

these contribute to dysbiosis.

Parasite testing will not always show a positive result, even

when you do have parasites. They can be more active during

certain parts of their life cycle and this can cause symptoms

for the host (you). Perhaps this is the cause of your periods

of weight loss and other hyper symptoms?? Have you ever kept

a record of when these symptoms occur, to see if there is

a predictable cycle?

Have you tried taking raw garlic daily? This might help to

reduce dysbiosis somewhat.

With low body temperature, you are nearly certain to have

some dysbiosis.

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>Low body temp is very indicative of hypothyroid. When your body temp is low,

you can develop all sorts of infections with parasites, yeast, bacteria in the

gut.<

I do have varios infections on and off. I think, the reasons they haven't made

me severly ill is because of diet, and exercise.

>Parasite testing will not always show a positive result, even when you do have

parasites. They can be more active during certain parts of their life cycle and

this can cause symptoms for the host (you). Perhaps this is the cause of your

periods of weight loss and other hyper symptoms?? Have you ever kept a record

of when these symptoms occur, to see if there is a predictable cycle?<

I tested positive for amoebiasis, twice out of may be 10 stool tests. It is a

tropical parasite, even though I haven't traveled overseas for more than 10

years. I haven't managed to keep a record of my symptoms, but they are many,

very much the same.

>Have you tried taking raw garlic daily? This might help to

reduce dysbiosis somewhat.<

Since it helps me great deal, I am going to take daily.

>With low body temperature, you are nearly certain to have some dysbiosis.<

Not knowing what is my diagnosis-despite all the tests, and consultations- I

felt furstrated; now, thanks to you and the group, I am beggining to understand

the problem/s, and then I can start to deal with the underline cause/s.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

Sardar,

It is unfortunate that most doctors seem to think that if the test

results are in the normal range then they don't have to bother paying

any attention to symptoms. Your symptoms do suggest hypothyroidism

and adrenal insufficiency.

My test results were normal, I had ALL the symptoms of hypothyroidism

and adrenal insufficiency and my doctor gave me thyroid hormone and

Cortef. The difference is that my doctor based his diagnosis on

symptoms. (It is extremely difficult to find a doctor who understands

this, I was just totally lucky to find the right one).

Here is a link that might help. The book " From Fatigued to Fantastic "

may be available in your local library. On the left on the first page

of this link you will find another link to " practitioners " . Perhaps

there is a practitioner near you who is familiar with Teitelbaum's

treatments for chronic fatigue.

J

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> >The thyroid results you posted at that time do look hypothyroid

(lots of us are hypo with low TSH). I think the real question is are

you really having hyper symptoms, or are those symptoms really adrenal?<

>

> The trouble is I am alternating between the two; it has been about

two weeks that my weight is stable (not losing). The list is very

thorough; it may help to clarify the problem.

>

> >Have you looked at your body temperature over the course of the

day? If it varies, that would be adrenal or mixed adrenal/thyroid.

Consistently low would be hypo. If it is consistently high, that

would be hyperthyroid.<

>

> My body temperature has been chronically low. I even had chills in

summertime. I haven't taken more than 3 times a day, and I don't do

it often. It doesn't go over 97.0 nor lower than 96.6, I think it

varies. Sun-bathing is very enjoyable; to me it fuels my brain, and I

feel recharged.

> When I get the other two test results, I feel I will get diagnosis,

at last.

>

> >what you mention below about eating raw onion or garlic to get

relief from nausea and brain fog sounds like dysbiosis.<

>

> I thought I may have parasite. I had tested for parasite in

January, and it was normal. I didn't find dysbiosis in the dictionary.

>

> Sardar

[Guest guest]

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> >Low body temp is very indicative of hypothyroid. When your body

temp is low, you can develop all sorts of infections with parasites,

yeast, bacteria in the gut.<

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> I do have varios infections on and off. I think, the reasons they

haven't made me severly ill is because of diet, and exercise.

It is great that you are able to maintain some exercise. I was

able to exercise for a long time, but my adrenals really gave

out when I started chelating. Take care of your adrenals so

you can maintain exercise.

Diet can be very important with dysbiosis. Many people do better

on a sugar-free (including fruit free), gluten free, yeast free

diet.

> >Parasite testing will not always show a positive result, even when

you do have parasites. They can be more active during certain parts

of their life cycle and this can cause symptoms for the host (you).

Perhaps this is the cause of your periods of weight loss and other

hyper symptoms?? Have you ever kept a record of when these symptoms

occur, to see if there is a predictable cycle?<

>

> I tested positive for amoebiasis, twice out of may be 10 stool

tests. It is a tropical parasite, even though I haven't traveled

overseas for more than 10 years. I haven't managed to keep a record

of my symptoms, but they are many, very much the same.

Interesting. I am not sure the best treatment for amoebiasis - you

may need to do a little research on that one.

> >Have you tried taking raw garlic daily? This might help to

> reduce dysbiosis somewhat.<

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> Since it helps me great deal, I am going to take daily.

As long as you don't have reactions to sulfur foods, it seems

to be okay to do this. I took it regularly for years. It still

helps me. It boosts immunity and suppresses nasty microbes.

> >With low body temperature, you are nearly certain to have some

dysbiosis.<

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> Not knowing what is my diagnosis-despite all the tests, and

consultations- I felt furstrated; now, thanks to you and the group, I

am beggining to understand the problem/s, and then I can start to deal

with the underline cause/s.

It is frustrating when doctors can't find anything wrong. They

are best for dealing with serious acute illness and trauma, but

not so good at identifying and addressing problems like mercury

poisoning, thyroid and adrenal issues, and many other problems

that we are all dealing with.

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[Guest guest]

>Have you looked at your body temperature over the course of the day? If it

varies, that would be adrenal or mixed adrenal/thyroid. Consistently low would

be hypo. If it is consistently high, that would be hyperthyroid.<

It is consistently low; that means hypo.

>Here's a list of adrenal vs. thyroid symptoms:<

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

The list indicates adrenal fatigue. I scored 31 adrenal - 11 mixed, and 12 for

thyroid. Going through my list, I see the hyper symptoms are very minimal in

the past couple weeks. I think the source of my problem is adrenal exhustion by

prolonged stress, and the others are secondary problems. I will get treatment

for adrenal first, and see what happened.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

,I responded to the previous post, twice.

>It is great that you are able to maintain some exercise.<I was told not to

exercise because of the fatigue, but I got worse without it.Now, my body tells

me when I need to move.>Diet can be very important with dysbiosis. Many people

do better on a sugar-free (including fruit free), gluten free, yeast free diet.<

Everything is easy to avoid now, except bread. I didn't eat gluten and dairy

foods for 8 weeks. It didn't make much difference. Actually, I feel much better

with home-made yogurt.

I feel, once the adrenal issue resolves, the other symptoms will improve.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

>It is unfortunate that most doctors seem to think that if the test results are

in the normal range then they don't have to bother paying any attention to

symptoms. Your symptoms do suggest hypothyroidism and adrenal insufficiency.<

If I remember correctly you said something about treating adrenal first, then

deal with the thyroid. Next time I am going to ask him for treatment plan,

regardless of the " normal " test results.

>The book " From Fatigued to Fantastic " may be available in your local library.<

It is. I read it few years ago, but didn't know I had adrenal problem; I guess

I missed it. I will try again

>Here is a link that might help. On the left on the first page of this link

you will find another link to " practitioners " . Perhaps there is a practitioner

near you who is familiar with Teitelbaum's treatments for chronic fatigue.<

J

You gave me the link before, and through one of the practioner listed, I was

connected to the MD that is treating me right now. He specializes in FM, and

CFS.

Sardar

[Guest guest]

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> ,I responded to the previous post, twice.

> >It is great that you are able to maintain some exercise.<I was told

not to exercise because of the fatigue, but I got worse without

it.Now, my body tells me when I need to move.>Diet can be very

important with dysbiosis. Many people do better on a sugar-free

(including fruit free), gluten free, yeast free diet.<

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> Everything is easy to avoid now, except bread. I didn't eat gluten

and dairy foods for 8 weeks. It didn't make much difference.

Actually, I feel much better with home-made yogurt.

> I feel, once the adrenal issue resolves, the other symptoms will

improve.

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> Sardar

You might not see a difference being only gluten and dairy

free. Also being sugar free is important with dysbiosis.

Treating adrenals will help. You might also benefit from

probiotics and something (antibiotic?) to reduce the parasites.

Good luck getting adrenal support from your doctor. Tell

him you only need a physiologic dose - maybe show him the

Teitelbaum book. If he won't agree to it, you can order

cortef online.

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[Guest guest]

>You might not see a difference being only gluten and dairy

free. Also being sugar free is important with dysbiosis<

I am not crazy about sugar itself, but it is other carbs that turn into sugar.

>Treating adrenals will help. You might also benefit from

probiotics and something (antibiotic?) to reduce the parasites.<

This parasite is puzzling; if the amoebiasis emerge in Africa, I have never been

there. I used herbals several times, and three weeks prescription drugs-plus

heavy doses of probiotics, and yet they keep coming back. My guess is if the

adrenal or thyroid doesn't work properly, it affects metabolism to neutralize

and deal with bacteria, parasite, yeast, fungal etc. But then, I guess too

mcuh, I could be wrong.

Last time you mentioned about not doing exercise since you started chelating; is

chelation take most of your energy away?

Sardar

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[Guest guest]

stephanie- how much dosage do you use to chelate? on dmps/dmsa?

i want to chelate so bad, but am so fatigued. i too need to get these

adrenals/thyroid a little better...and the nervousness/nausea...agh!

janey

[Guest guest]

Janey,

I started with 10 mg DMSA, and I gradually increased to 20 mg

and then 25 mg DMSA and 8 mg ALA. I've been chelating since

last July. I plan to stay with this dose for a while.

You should get some adrenal and thyroid testing done soon.

You can get it through your doctor or you can use

www.directlabs.com. Some things you can do now are to

start adding Andy's recommended supplements if you are

not on them already. I would start with: vitamin C

(start with 1/2-1 gram and gradually increase to 5 or

more grams), vitamin B complex with extra B5, EFAs,

and perhaps try some tyrosine to see if it helps with

energy and mood.

You can check Andy's book for recommendations for specific

symptoms, such as nausea.

I used to have nausea from gastritis. I don't know if that's

what's causing yours, but I wonder because you said you used

a lot of advil. Advil can really mess up your stomach. Did

you have the nausea before you ever took advil, or could it

have started during the time you were taking advil (or after

you stopped)?

Have you ever had relief by taking antacids or eating

certain foods? Or does it get worse from eating?

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> stephanie- how much dosage do you use to chelate? on dmps/dmsa?

> i want to chelate so bad, but am so fatigued. i too need to get these

> adrenals/thyroid a little better...and the nervousness/nausea...agh!

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> janey

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[Guest guest]

>You did say you had travelled overseas? Even if it was a long time ago, these

things can persist. My father- in-law had malaria in WWII, and he still

occasionally has a mild bout of malaria-like symptoms. My mother had amoebiasis

60+ years ago in Egypt and she still has a lot of intestinal problems. Of

course, they have not tried any alternative medicine approach.

If you had tested positive only once and did not have symptoms, then I would

dismiss it as a false positive. But since you had this result twice, and you do

have symptoms consistent with this parasite (protozoa, actually), then it

probably really is there.<

Thanks you , this is encouraging. I thought this parasite is unique.

Intestinal parasite is one of the symptoms of CFIDS/FM that Dr. Teilebaum

includes in the symptom charts.

>There seems to be evidence, at least clinically, that people can't fully get

rid of these dysbiosis problems until they chelate.<

The MD I am seeing, treats CFS/FM just like Dr Teitelbaum. I expect to get on a

treatment plan very soon.

>I am much better now, and I feel quite good when I am chelating. It has a very

positive effect on me, both physically and emotionally.<

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That is great! This journey is an adventure, and empowering.

Sardar