Re: what's helped the most?

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>

> What do people here feel has been the most significant factor(s)

thats

> helped you tolerate higher doses quicker? eg gland support, B12

> injections, antioxidants, addressing gut issues??

TK--- DMPS - plus the rest of what you mention

>

> I know all these issues are important and everyone is different but

I'm

> really interested if there is anything in particular that has stood

out

> and has helped you to progress in your chelation journey?

>

> No need to write long replies, just a few words will be fine thanks.

>

> Hope everyone is doing ok,

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What do people here feel has been the most significant factor(s) thats

> helped you tolerate higher doses quicker? eg gland support, B12

> injections, antioxidants, addressing gut issues??

I recently started some B12 shots (doc recommended 1 per week)

and noticed an immediate, big boost in energy and mood. After

this, I also changed my adrenal support from Thorne supplements

to ashwagandha (3000 mg/day) and noticed another big boost. My

last round of DMSA I took 50mg (!!!) doses and had only minor

symptoms! (This is enough DMSA to start smelling the sulfur in

my urine - so now I know *something* is coming out...)

I didn't notice much improvement with gradual addition and dose

increase of antioxidants - except vitamin C which improves my

energy in higher doses. Addressing gut issues was important

when I first started this journey/nightmare - now, maintaining

gut function is important, but has become routine.

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> I know all these issues are important and everyone is different but I'm

> really interested if there is anything in particular that has stood out

> and has helped you to progress in your chelation journey?

>

> No need to write long replies, just a few words will be fine thanks.

>

> Hope everyone is doing ok,

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What do people here feel has been the most significant factor(s) >thats

> helped you tolerate higher doses quicker?

I wasn't on high enough doses of cortef and thyroid meds when I first

started chelating. Increasing those helped enormously.

Electrolytes. I need tons of sodium, and some potassium and magnesium.

The other things (diet and supplements) I had in fairly good shape

before I started amalgam removal.

But I'm still a tortoise.

J

eg gland support, B12

> injections, antioxidants, addressing gut issues??

>

> I know all these issues are important and everyone is different but I'm

> really interested if there is anything in particular that has stood out

> and has helped you to progress in your chelation journey?

>

> No need to write long replies, just a few words will be fine thanks.

>

> Hope everyone is doing ok,

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks TK, and for the feedback. I needed to know as

I really don't fancy the prospect of years and years of chelation due

to not being able to up my dose.

Adrenal support stands out which I expected. I did a round last week

after a break for a month or so. It *completely* knocked me for six

especially emotionally/mentally, though during the round I felt ok

energy wise, though I did feel " weird " in my head and emotionally

flat. 3 days later I went completely loopy.....severe depression and

suicidal feelings several times, I felt totally distraught, had bouts

when I couldn't stop crying and was exhausted, blood sugar all the

over the place, brain function very poor and not being able to think

or communicate properly etc etc. It was hell basically! Sorry I know

that doesn't make for nice reading!

I think the mistake I made was only taking one extra dose of dmsa at

the end of the round though the main thing is that even though I was

only taking 12.5mg ALA its obviously too much for me. Also I'm not on

optimal thyroid support yet and my adrenal support has been

inadequate so it was no surprise really. Actually taking extra

ashwagandha did help and maybe helped more than the adrenal

glandulars I've been on which are next to useless!

I think I have a lot of brain mercury. I only just remembered that

when I had a dmsa challenge (9 yrs ago ) I still had my fillings in!

Talk about brain fog! I've also taken ALA a few tmes over the

years....randomly.

Anyway about b12 injections.....these seem to be a big help for some

people. What if you have problem with oral b12? I only realised

recently that taking methylcobalamin orally gives me headaches and

increases my brain fog....worse when I combine it with folic acid.

Has anyone else has problems like this with methyl b12 but are ok

with injections? does it matter what form the b12 is in. I know you

can get hydroxy or cobalamin injections.

Thanks again,

Anne

> >

> > What do people here feel has been the most significant factor(s)

>thats

> > helped you tolerate higher doses quicker?

>

>

>

> I wasn't on high enough doses of cortef and thyroid meds when I

first

> started chelating. Increasing those helped enormously.

>

> Electrolytes. I need tons of sodium, and some potassium and

magnesium.

>

> The other things (diet and supplements) I had in fairly good shape

> before I started amalgam removal.

>

> But I'm still a tortoise.

>

> J

>

>

>

> eg gland support, B12

> > injections, antioxidants, addressing gut issues??

> >

> > I know all these issues are important and everyone is different

but I'm

> > really interested if there is anything in particular that has

stood out

> > and has helped you to progress in your chelation journey?

> >

> > No need to write long replies, just a few words will be fine

thanks.

> >

> > Hope everyone is doing ok,

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

The 'hell' that you have described is about what I was like at the end

of rounds of 25 mg DMSA or 25 mg DMPS without any ALA, even though I

was on substantial adrenal and thyroid support, and my liver seems to

be functioning well.

When I cut the dose by half I was completely fine. I am ok on rounds

of 18 mg DMPS per dose now. The 24- 48 h of fatigue I have at the end

of rounds is manageable.

When I recently did 2 rounds of 5 mg ALA per dose I did feel like it

was about all I could handle. I think that TK is right, that I should

stay at 5 mg ALA per dose for now. I don't think I could take the

*completely* knocked for six right now.

What was the dose of DMSA that you were using, and have you tried that

dose without ALA?

Hope you are recovering

J

>

> Thanks TK, and for the feedback. I needed to know as

> I really don't fancy the prospect of years and years of chelation due

> to not being able to up my dose.

>

> Adrenal support stands out which I expected. I did a round last week

> after a break for a month or so. It *completely* knocked me for six

> especially emotionally/mentally, though during the round I felt ok

> energy wise, though I did feel " weird " in my head and emotionally

> flat. 3 days later I went completely loopy.....severe depression and

> suicidal feelings several times, I felt totally distraught, had bouts

> when I couldn't stop crying and was exhausted, blood sugar all the

> over the place, brain function very poor and not being able to think

> or communicate properly etc etc. It was hell basically! Sorry I know

> that doesn't make for nice reading!

>

> I think the mistake I made was only taking one extra dose of dmsa at

> the end of the round though the main thing is that even though I was

> only taking 12.5mg ALA its obviously too much for me. Also I'm not on

> optimal thyroid support yet and my adrenal support has been

> inadequate so it was no surprise really. Actually taking extra

> ashwagandha did help and maybe helped more than the adrenal

> glandulars I've been on which are next to useless!

>

> I think I have a lot of brain mercury. I only just remembered that

> when I had a dmsa challenge (9 yrs ago ) I still had my fillings in!

> Talk about brain fog! I've also taken ALA a few tmes over the

> years....randomly.

>

> Anyway about b12 injections.....these seem to be a big help for some

> people. What if you have problem with oral b12? I only realised

> recently that taking methylcobalamin orally gives me headaches and

> increases my brain fog....worse when I combine it with folic acid.

> Has anyone else has problems like this with methyl b12 but are ok

> with injections? does it matter what form the b12 is in. I know you

> can get hydroxy or cobalamin injections.

>

> Thanks again,

> Anne

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I've recovered from the emotional meltdowns but I'm *very* joyless at

the moment with very little interest in anything or anyone. I think

that's partly due to starting on armour with very low iron stores. Do

you know if DMSA pulls iron out? I'm sure I read that once but I

really can't remember. Or maybe the DMSA worsened my gut dysbiosis

and my iron stores are being kept low as a response to that. I'm just

looking so pale!

I was on 16/17mg DMSA and 12.5mg ALA. I'd also just increased armour

by 1/4 grain....that may have influenced how I was feeling eg the

exhaustion.

I'm waiting for stronger adrenal support to arrive and then I might

try a round just on DMSA which I've never done before and see if that

makes a difference. Or just have 1mg of ALA or something!

Thanks again,

Anne

> >

> > Thanks TK, and for the feedback. I needed to know

as

> > I really don't fancy the prospect of years and years of chelation

due

> > to not being able to up my dose.

> >

> > Adrenal support stands out which I expected. I did a round last

week

> > after a break for a month or so. It *completely* knocked me for

six

> > especially emotionally/mentally, though during the round I felt

ok

> > energy wise, though I did feel " weird " in my head and emotionally

> > flat. 3 days later I went completely loopy.....severe depression

and

> > suicidal feelings several times, I felt totally distraught, had

bouts

> > when I couldn't stop crying and was exhausted, blood sugar all

the

> > over the place, brain function very poor and not being able to

think

> > or communicate properly etc etc. It was hell basically! Sorry I

know

> > that doesn't make for nice reading!

> >

> > I think the mistake I made was only taking one extra dose of dmsa

at

> > the end of the round though the main thing is that even though I

was

> > only taking 12.5mg ALA its obviously too much for me. Also I'm

not on

> > optimal thyroid support yet and my adrenal support has been

> > inadequate so it was no surprise really. Actually taking extra

> > ashwagandha did help and maybe helped more than the adrenal

> > glandulars I've been on which are next to useless!

> >

> > I think I have a lot of brain mercury. I only just remembered

that

> > when I had a dmsa challenge (9 yrs ago ) I still had my fillings

in!

> > Talk about brain fog! I've also taken ALA a few tmes over the

> > years....randomly.

> >

> > Anyway about b12 injections.....these seem to be a big help for

some

> > people. What if you have problem with oral b12? I only realised

> > recently that taking methylcobalamin orally gives me headaches

and

> > increases my brain fog....worse when I combine it with folic

acid.

> > Has anyone else has problems like this with methyl b12 but are ok

> > with injections? does it matter what form the b12 is in. I know

you

> > can get hydroxy or cobalamin injections.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I've recovered from the emotional meltdowns but I'm *very* joyless at

the moment with very little interest in anything or anyone. I think

that's partly due to starting on armour with very low iron stores. Do

you know if DMSA pulls iron out? I'm sure I read that once but I

really can't remember. Or maybe the DMSA worsened my gut dysbiosis

and my iron stores are being kept low as a response to that. I'm just

looking so pale!

I was on 16/17mg DMSA and 12.5mg ALA. I'd also just increased armour

by 1/4 grain....that may have influenced how I was feeling eg the

exhaustion.

I'm waiting for stronger adrenal support to arrive and then I might

try a round just on DMSA which I've never done before and see if that

makes a difference. Or just have 1mg of ALA or something!

Thanks again,

Anne

> >

> > Thanks TK, and for the feedback. I needed to know

as

> > I really don't fancy the prospect of years and years of chelation

due

> > to not being able to up my dose.

> >

> > Adrenal support stands out which I expected. I did a round last

week

> > after a break for a month or so. It *completely* knocked me for

six

> > especially emotionally/mentally, though during the round I felt

ok

> > energy wise, though I did feel " weird " in my head and emotionally

> > flat. 3 days later I went completely loopy.....severe depression

and

> > suicidal feelings several times, I felt totally distraught, had

bouts

> > when I couldn't stop crying and was exhausted, blood sugar all

the

> > over the place, brain function very poor and not being able to

think

> > or communicate properly etc etc. It was hell basically! Sorry I

know

> > that doesn't make for nice reading!

> >

> > I think the mistake I made was only taking one extra dose of dmsa

at

> > the end of the round though the main thing is that even though I

was

> > only taking 12.5mg ALA its obviously too much for me. Also I'm

not on

> > optimal thyroid support yet and my adrenal support has been

> > inadequate so it was no surprise really. Actually taking extra

> > ashwagandha did help and maybe helped more than the adrenal

> > glandulars I've been on which are next to useless!

> >

> > I think I have a lot of brain mercury. I only just remembered

that

> > when I had a dmsa challenge (9 yrs ago ) I still had my fillings

in!

> > Talk about brain fog! I've also taken ALA a few tmes over the

> > years....randomly.

> >

> > Anyway about b12 injections.....these seem to be a big help for

some

> > people. What if you have problem with oral b12? I only realised

> > recently that taking methylcobalamin orally gives me headaches

and

> > increases my brain fog....worse when I combine it with folic

acid.

> > Has anyone else has problems like this with methyl b12 but are ok

> > with injections? does it matter what form the b12 is in. I know

you

> > can get hydroxy or cobalamin injections.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Anne

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Thanks TK, and for the feedback. I needed to know

> as

> > > I really don't fancy the prospect of years and years of chelation

> due

> > > to not being able to up my dose.

> > >

> > > Adrenal support stands out which I expected. I did a round last

> week

> > > after a break for a month or so. It *completely* knocked me for

> six

> > > especially emotionally/mentally, though during the round I felt

> ok

> > > energy wise, though I did feel " weird " in my head and emotionally

> > > flat. 3 days later I went completely loopy.....severe depression

> and

> > > suicidal feelings several times, I felt totally distraught, had

> bouts

> > > when I couldn't stop crying and was exhausted, blood sugar all

> the

> > > over the place, brain function very poor and not being able to

> think

> > > or communicate properly etc etc. It was hell basically! Sorry I

> know

> > > that doesn't make for nice reading!

> > >

> > > I think the mistake I made was only taking one extra dose of dmsa

> at

> > > the end of the round though the main thing is that even though I

> was

> > > only taking 12.5mg ALA its obviously too much for me. Also I'm

> not on

> > > optimal thyroid support yet and my adrenal support has been

> > > inadequate so it was no surprise really. Actually taking extra

> > > ashwagandha did help and maybe helped more than the adrenal

> > > glandulars I've been on which are next to useless!

> > >

> > > I think I have a lot of brain mercury. I only just remembered

> that

> > > when I had a dmsa challenge (9 yrs ago ) I still had my fillings

> in!

> > > Talk about brain fog! I've also taken ALA a few tmes over the

> > > years....randomly.

> > >

> > > Anyway about b12 injections.....these seem to be a big help for

> some

> > > people. What if you have problem with oral b12? I only realised

> > > recently that taking methylcobalamin orally gives me headaches

> and

> > > increases my brain fog....worse when I combine it with folic

> acid.

> > > Has anyone else has problems like this with methyl b12 but are ok

> > > with injections? does it matter what form the b12 is in. I know

> you

> > > can get hydroxy or cobalamin injections.

> > >

> > > Thanks again,

> > > Anne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steph, Yes I think my low mood is definitely mostly due to low

iron stores. I did wonder whether iron could be depleted with

chelation. I do take a supplement, but not every day. I'm sure

sometimes it makes me feel more toxic though its probably a good idea

to ensure I take it following rounds.

Yes I take antioxidants..... vit C, E, CoQ10, acetyl-l-carnitine,

selenium.

Anne

>

> Anne, you know the depression can also go with low iron. I don't

> know if DMSA pulls iron out, but iron is almost certainly depeleted

> faster with chelation and you may need some. I know Andy doesn't

> usually recommend taking iron because of oxidative stress, but even

> a few days worth of iron supplements might be helpful. Actually

> what Andy recommends for low iron is more antioxidants.

>

> Andy recommended I take an iron supplement due to my high uranium,

> and I think it has helped (and not just with uranium).

>

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