Re: Getting ready to add ALA next round, and update on chest pain

[Guest guest]

--- mmc2315 wrote:

> The kids and I are on round 8. The kids are taking

> DMSA + ALA, and I'm still taking 25 mg

> of DMSA only (I'm 140#) every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4

> days off.

>

> Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had

> the last of my amalgams removed, so

> I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been

> going well for me with few side effects,

> and I consider myself moderately poisoned, I was

> going to start with 25 mg of ALA along

> with the 25 mg of DMSA. I'm going to leave the ALA

> out of the last dose, per reports here

> and Andy's book saying it can help with first day

> off redistribution side effects.

Can you explain the not doing ALA on last dose?

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

Glad things are going well with chelation! Sounds good for

starting ALA. Very sensible move to cut down your coffee,

soda, and alcohol. They are all considered gastric irritants

and it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

I sure don't know what to say about the " puffiness " . I take

some taurine, but not that much and don't notice any problem.

I don't take acetyl-L-carnitine. If your weight is not

increased, then I guess it is not significant water retention.

Has the problem increased over time, or is it constant?

I think taurine can cause nausea in large doses, but don't

know of any other side effects. I draw a blank with

acetyl-l-carnitine. Is there anything else in the slippery

elm tea besides slippery elm?

Another idea is that you noticed the change after starting the

new supps, but maybe it's a coincidence. Perhaps some

vit/min deficiency is creeping in after 8 rounds of

chelation? Are you taking enough B complex, magnesium?

Any urinary tract symptoms with chelation?

--

>

> The kids and I are on round 8. The kids are taking DMSA + ALA, and

I'm still taking 25 mg

> of DMSA only (I'm 140#) every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 days off.

>

> Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had the last of my

amalgams removed, so

> I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been going well for me

with few side effects,

> and I consider myself moderately poisoned, I was going to start with

25 mg of ALA along

> with the 25 mg of DMSA. I'm going to leave the ALA out of the last

dose, per reports here

> and Andy's book saying it can help with first day off redistribution

side effects.

>

> In December I reported that I was experiencing chest pain after

going for a run. I was

> reminded that exercise can mobilize Hg, and to see my MD. I've seen

the MD twice since

> then, and I'm trying to keep better records of when I feel the

tightness/achiness in my

> chest and when I don't. I have not been exercising much at all. A

few times on the indoor

> bike, and a few walks, and some gentle skiing. The chest pain comes

and goes, and is not

> always associated with exertion. The MD would like me to try to

rule out esophageal pain/

> reflux and I agree. (I have a $2500 deductible, so I'm not quick to

run in and have them

> scope my esphogus or have me do a stress test with echocardiogram).

>

> Starting this week, I've cut way, way back on coffee, carbonated

beverages (I like soda

> water), and alcohol. Per 's suggestions, and other

readings, I'm chewing DGL

> wafers several times a day, and sipping on some slippery elm tea

2x/day. The MD wants

> me to try Pepcid AC, but I'd prefer to try these other steps before

using an acid blocker.

>

> Breaking the rule of only doing one thing at a time, I began taking

Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500

> mg, 2x/day on Jan. 4th, and began taking Taurine, 500 mg, 2x/day on

Jan. 12th, ramping

> up to 4x/day for the Taurine. Since starting the Taurine, my pants

feel more snug and my

> wedding band is tight. I haven't put on any weight according to the

scale, but I feel

> " puffy " . Has anyone felt this in association with Taurine or

Acetyl-L-Carnitine? I'm

> tempted to drop one and see if there is a change.

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Can you explain the not doing ALA on last dose?

In Andy's Hair Test book, pg. 239, he mentions that when using ALA with DMSA or

DMPS,

leaving the ALA out of the last dose or two of the round substantially reduces

redistribution side effects for some people.

I've read here that others do this, and it helps with the first day off round.

So, I thought I'd try it too.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had the last of my

amalgams removed, so

> I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been going well for

me with few side effects,

> and I consider myself moderately poisoned,

I was going to start with 25 mg of ALA along

> with the 25 mg of DMSA.

TK--- Suggestion - start with 12.5mg ALA

I'm going to leave the ALA out of the last dose, per reports here

> and Andy's book saying it can help with first day off

redistribution side effects.

TK--- Suggestion - continue the DMSA for several doses or the whole

day after discontinuing the ALA, just one dose will not be of much

benefit.

>

> Starting this week, I've cut way, way back on coffee

TK--- Cut it out completely if possible, it stresses the adrenals.

, carbonated beverages (I like soda

> water), and alcohol.

TK--- Cut these out completely also and have healthy substitutes.

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Glad things are going well with chelation! Sounds good for

> starting ALA. Very sensible move to cut down your coffee,

> soda, and alcohol. They are all considered gastric irritants

> and it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

I hope it does make a difference, and I can make this chest pain go away.

>

> I sure don't know what to say about the " puffiness " . I take

> some taurine, but not that much and don't notice any problem.

> I don't take acetyl-L-carnitine. If your weight is not

> increased, then I guess it is not significant water retention.

> Has the problem increased over time, or is it constant?

I've noticed it in the last couple weeks, since starting the taurine. I'm not

sure what the

connection is. I don't think I drank so much coffee before that it could be

considered a

significant diuretic. 2-3 mugs in the morning. This week, I've cut back to 1

mug.

>

> I think taurine can cause nausea in large doses, but don't

> know of any other side effects. I draw a blank with

> acetyl-l-carnitine. Is there anything else in the slippery

> elm tea besides slippery elm?

I just started the tea yesterday. I'm doing one teaspoon of slippery elm powder

with one

teaspoon sugar, two cups boiling water, and little cinnamon for flavor. It's

much better

tasting than I imagined! If the DGL and slippery elm tea, plus

coffee/soda/alcohol

reduction works to eliminate my chest pain, I'll reduce or drop the taurine and

see what

happens.

>

> Another idea is that you noticed the change after starting the

> new supps, but maybe it's a coincidence. Perhaps some

> vit/min deficiency is creeping in after 8 rounds of

> chelation? Are you taking enough B complex, magnesium?

I think so. I've been really good about taking my supplements. I take a

quartered B-50,

4x/day and 200 mg of Mg, 4x/day (plus the slew of other supplements recommended

for

chelation).

>

> Any urinary tract symptoms with chelation?

>

No, none. ===knock on wood===

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

>>I'm chewing DGL

>> wafers several times a day,

>>Since starting the Taurine, my pants feel more snug and my

>> wedding band is tight. I haven't put on any weight according to

>>the scale, but I feel

>> " puffy " . Has anyone felt this in association with Taurine or

>>Acetyl-L-Carnitine?

I'm wondering if the DGL might be helping to retain sodium and leading

to the 'puffy' feeling. Perhaps the dose is a bit high. Check out

this site:

" Many of the adverse effects of licorice result from actions on

hormone levels in the body. By altering the activities of certain

hormones, licorice may cause electrolyte disturbances. Possible

effects include sodium and fluid retention, low potassium levels, and

metabolic alkalosis. "

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-licorice.html

J

>

> The kids and I are on round 8. The kids are taking DMSA + ALA, and

I'm still taking 25 mg

> of DMSA only (I'm 140#) every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 days off.

>

> Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had the last of my

amalgams removed, so

> I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been going well for me

with few side effects,

> and I consider myself moderately poisoned, I was going to start with

25 mg of ALA along

> with the 25 mg of DMSA. I'm going to leave the ALA out of the last

dose, per reports here

> and Andy's book saying it can help with first day off redistribution

side effects.

>

> In December I reported that I was experiencing chest pain after

going for a run. I was

> reminded that exercise can mobilize Hg, and to see my MD. I've seen

the MD twice since

> then, and I'm trying to keep better records of when I feel the

tightness/achiness in my

> chest and when I don't. I have not been exercising much at all. A

few times on the indoor

> bike, and a few walks, and some gentle skiing. The chest pain comes

and goes, and is not

> always associated with exertion. The MD would like me to try to

rule out esophageal pain/

> reflux and I agree. (I have a $2500 deductible, so I'm not quick to

run in and have them

> scope my esphogus or have me do a stress test with echocardiogram).

>

> Starting this week, I've cut way, way back on coffee, carbonated

beverages (I like soda

> water), and alcohol. Per 's suggestions, and other

readings, I'm chewing DGL

> wafers several times a day, and sipping on some slippery elm tea

2x/day. The MD wants

> me to try Pepcid AC, but I'd prefer to try these other steps before

using an acid blocker.

>

> Breaking the rule of only doing one thing at a time, I began taking

Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500

> mg, 2x/day on Jan. 4th, and began taking Taurine, 500 mg, 2x/day on

Jan. 12th, ramping

> up to 4x/day for the Taurine. Since starting the Taurine, my pants

feel more snug and my

> wedding band is tight. I haven't put on any weight according to the

scale, but I feel

> " puffy " . Has anyone felt this in association with Taurine or

Acetyl-L-Carnitine? I'm

> tempted to drop one and see if there is a change.

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

,

I can't think of anything else, except just to be watchful.

(Not that you need to be told.) I really hope the chest pain

calms down soon, or at least that you figure out what is the

best next step.

I have a $2500 deductible as well, and I certainly know the

reluctance to have more testing even when there is some

indication for it. I don't remember your age, but a stress

test or EKG when you are young might be a good baseline to

have at some point.

--

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Glad things are going well with chelation! Sounds good for

> > starting ALA. Very sensible move to cut down your coffee,

> > soda, and alcohol. They are all considered gastric irritants

> > and it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

>

>

>

> I hope it does make a difference, and I can make this chest pain go

away.

>

>

>

> >

> > I sure don't know what to say about the " puffiness " . I take

> > some taurine, but not that much and don't notice any problem.

> > I don't take acetyl-L-carnitine. If your weight is not

> > increased, then I guess it is not significant water retention.

> > Has the problem increased over time, or is it constant?

>

>

>

> I've noticed it in the last couple weeks, since starting the

taurine. I'm not sure what the

> connection is. I don't think I drank so much coffee before that it

could be considered a

> significant diuretic. 2-3 mugs in the morning. This week, I've

cut back to 1 mug.

>

>

> >

> > I think taurine can cause nausea in large doses, but don't

> > know of any other side effects. I draw a blank with

> > acetyl-l-carnitine. Is there anything else in the slippery

> > elm tea besides slippery elm?

>

>

> I just started the tea yesterday. I'm doing one teaspoon of

slippery elm powder with one

> teaspoon sugar, two cups boiling water, and little cinnamon for

flavor. It's much better

> tasting than I imagined! If the DGL and slippery elm tea,

plus coffee/soda/alcohol

> reduction works to eliminate my chest pain, I'll reduce or drop the

taurine and see what

> happens.

>

>

> >

> > Another idea is that you noticed the change after starting the

> > new supps, but maybe it's a coincidence. Perhaps some

> > vit/min deficiency is creeping in after 8 rounds of

> > chelation? Are you taking enough B complex, magnesium?

>

>

> I think so. I've been really good about taking my supplements. I

take a quartered B-50,

> 4x/day and 200 mg of Mg, 4x/day (plus the slew of other supplements

recommended for

> chelation).

>

>

> >

> > Any urinary tract symptoms with chelation?

> >

>

>

> No, none. ===knock on wood===

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

,

I can't think of anything else, except just to be watchful.

(Not that you need to be told.) I really hope the chest pain

calms down soon, or at least that you figure out what is the

best next step.

I have a $2500 deductible as well, and I certainly know the

reluctance to have more testing even when there is some

indication for it. I don't remember your age, but a stress

test or EKG when you are young might be a good baseline to

have at some point.

--

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Glad things are going well with chelation! Sounds good for

> > starting ALA. Very sensible move to cut down your coffee,

> > soda, and alcohol. They are all considered gastric irritants

> > and it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

>

>

>

> I hope it does make a difference, and I can make this chest pain go

away.

>

>

>

> >

> > I sure don't know what to say about the " puffiness " . I take

> > some taurine, but not that much and don't notice any problem.

> > I don't take acetyl-L-carnitine. If your weight is not

> > increased, then I guess it is not significant water retention.

> > Has the problem increased over time, or is it constant?

>

>

>

> I've noticed it in the last couple weeks, since starting the

taurine. I'm not sure what the

> connection is. I don't think I drank so much coffee before that it

could be considered a

> significant diuretic. 2-3 mugs in the morning. This week, I've

cut back to 1 mug.

>

>

> >

> > I think taurine can cause nausea in large doses, but don't

> > know of any other side effects. I draw a blank with

> > acetyl-l-carnitine. Is there anything else in the slippery

> > elm tea besides slippery elm?

>

>

> I just started the tea yesterday. I'm doing one teaspoon of

slippery elm powder with one

> teaspoon sugar, two cups boiling water, and little cinnamon for

flavor. It's much better

> tasting than I imagined! If the DGL and slippery elm tea,

plus coffee/soda/alcohol

> reduction works to eliminate my chest pain, I'll reduce or drop the

taurine and see what

> happens.

>

>

> >

> > Another idea is that you noticed the change after starting the

> > new supps, but maybe it's a coincidence. Perhaps some

> > vit/min deficiency is creeping in after 8 rounds of

> > chelation? Are you taking enough B complex, magnesium?

>

>

> I think so. I've been really good about taking my supplements. I

take a quartered B-50,

> 4x/day and 200 mg of Mg, 4x/day (plus the slew of other supplements

recommended for

> chelation).

>

>

> >

> > Any urinary tract symptoms with chelation?

> >

>

>

> No, none. ===knock on wood===

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > The kids and I are on round 8. The kids are taking DMSA + ALA, and

> I'm still taking 25 mg

> > of DMSA only (I'm 140#) every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 days off.

> >

> > Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had the last of my

> amalgams removed, so

> > I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been going well for me

> with few side effects,

> > and I consider myself moderately poisoned, I was going to start with

> 25 mg of ALA along

> > with the 25 mg of DMSA. I'm going to leave the ALA out of the last

> dose, per reports here

> > and Andy's book saying it can help with first day off redistribution

> side effects.

> >

> > In December I reported that I was experiencing chest pain after

> going for a run. I was

> > reminded that exercise can mobilize Hg, and to see my MD. I've seen

> the MD twice since

> > then, and I'm trying to keep better records of when I feel the

> tightness/achiness in my

> > chest and when I don't. I have not been exercising much at all. A

> few times on the indoor

> > bike, and a few walks, and some gentle skiing. The chest pain comes

> and goes, and is not

> > always associated with exertion. The MD would like me to try to

> rule out esophageal pain/

> > reflux and I agree. (I have a $2500 deductible, so I'm not quick to

> run in and have them

> > scope my esphogus or have me do a stress test with echocardiogram).

> >

> > Starting this week, I've cut way, way back on coffee, carbonated

> beverages (I like soda

> > water), and alcohol. Per 's suggestions, and other

> readings, I'm chewing DGL

> > wafers several times a day, and sipping on some slippery elm tea

> 2x/day. The MD wants

> > me to try Pepcid AC, but I'd prefer to try these other steps before

> using an acid blocker.

> >

> > Breaking the rule of only doing one thing at a time, I began taking

> Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500

> > mg, 2x/day on Jan. 4th, and began taking Taurine, 500 mg, 2x/day on

> Jan. 12th, ramping

> > up to 4x/day for the Taurine. Since starting the Taurine, my pants

> feel more snug and my

> > wedding band is tight. I haven't put on any weight according to the

> scale, but I feel

> > " puffy " . Has anyone felt this in association with Taurine or

> Acetyl-L-Carnitine? I'm

> > tempted to drop one and see if there is a change.

> >

> > in Illinois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > The kids and I are on round 8. The kids are taking DMSA + ALA, and

> I'm still taking 25 mg

> > of DMSA only (I'm 140#) every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 days off.

> >

> > Next week, it will have been 3 months since I've had the last of my

> amalgams removed, so

> > I'll be adding in ALA. Since the rounds have been going well for me

> with few side effects,

> > and I consider myself moderately poisoned, I was going to start with

> 25 mg of ALA along

> > with the 25 mg of DMSA. I'm going to leave the ALA out of the last

> dose, per reports here

> > and Andy's book saying it can help with first day off redistribution

> side effects.

> >

> > In December I reported that I was experiencing chest pain after

> going for a run. I was

> > reminded that exercise can mobilize Hg, and to see my MD. I've seen

> the MD twice since

> > then, and I'm trying to keep better records of when I feel the

> tightness/achiness in my

> > chest and when I don't. I have not been exercising much at all. A

> few times on the indoor

> > bike, and a few walks, and some gentle skiing. The chest pain comes

> and goes, and is not

> > always associated with exertion. The MD would like me to try to

> rule out esophageal pain/

> > reflux and I agree. (I have a $2500 deductible, so I'm not quick to

> run in and have them

> > scope my esphogus or have me do a stress test with echocardiogram).

> >

> > Starting this week, I've cut way, way back on coffee, carbonated

> beverages (I like soda

> > water), and alcohol. Per 's suggestions, and other

> readings, I'm chewing DGL

> > wafers several times a day, and sipping on some slippery elm tea

> 2x/day. The MD wants

> > me to try Pepcid AC, but I'd prefer to try these other steps before

> using an acid blocker.

> >

> > Breaking the rule of only doing one thing at a time, I began taking

> Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500

> > mg, 2x/day on Jan. 4th, and began taking Taurine, 500 mg, 2x/day on

> Jan. 12th, ramping

> > up to 4x/day for the Taurine. Since starting the Taurine, my pants

> feel more snug and my

> > wedding band is tight. I haven't put on any weight according to the

> scale, but I feel

> > " puffy " . Has anyone felt this in association with Taurine or

> Acetyl-L-Carnitine? I'm

> > tempted to drop one and see if there is a change.

> >

> > in Illinois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

& ,

Interesting about the DGL.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/deg_0092.shtml

I read the site posted, and looked it up at PDRHealth too. The chewable

tablets I've

been taking are from Vitamin Shoppe, 385 mg licorice extract, std. to 3 %

glycyrrhizinic

acid (now there's a word for a spelling bee). It doesn't seem like enough to

cause water

retention, but I think I'll drop the DGL and see what happens.

Thanks!

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

>

> & ,

>

> Interesting about the DGL.

>

>

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/deg_0092.shtml

>

> I read the site posted, and looked it up at PDRHealth too.

The chewable tablets I've

> been taking are from Vitamin Shoppe, 385 mg licorice extract, std.

to 3 % glycyrrhizinic

,

Whoa, I just checked their web page and that little 3% of

glycyrrhizin is equal to 11 mg. Doesn't sound like much,

but (1) it adds up, (2) if you happen to have high cortisol

levels part of the time, a little will be enough to mess you

up, and (3) I don't think a higher quality product would have

that much.

I use Enzymatic Therapy DGL. I question the quality of the

Vitamin Shoppe product. Their label doesn't make sense.

It claims there is 385 mg of extract " STD. TO 3% GLYCYRRHIZINIC

ACID 11 MG " . 11% of 385 mg is more like 40mg. Yikes.

I think you should definitely discontinue that product.

I'll bet the puffiness will resolve fairly quickly. A few

years ago, when I still had cortisol, I took a product that

had a little bit of licorice extract in it (a fiber supplement).

I got extremely puffy, as in big time water retention on that

stuff. According to the label, the licorice was a small amount,

but it had large effects.

I took the Enzymatic Therapy product when I had

elevated cortisol levels and did not notice a problem.

--

> acid (now there's a word for a spelling bee). It doesn't seem like

enough to cause water

> retention, but I think I'll drop the DGL and see what happens.

>

> Thanks!

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again for being a good sounding board and good researchers! I've been

taking the

DGL off and on in various amounts for over a month. The slippery elm tea I just

started

this week. As of today, I dropped the DGL.

Also, I must have messed up setting the alarm on my cell phone last night and we

missed

the midnight dose. I had to stop the round for the kids and I.

But, ALA for me next week!

in Illinois