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ASCO has a summary of CA 19-9 here

http://www.asco.org/asco/ascoMainConstructor/1,1003,_18-0011475-00_20-

006-00_19-0011495-00_12-002032,00.asp?state=

(have to COPY link into browser, Yahoo splits long links)

BOTTOM LINE: " CA 19-9 and CEA in combination did not improve the

performance of the CEA test used alone "

[snip]

Indicator of asymptomatic recurrence. Only a few studies have

addressed the use of CA 19-9 in monitoring patients post-primary

therapy.102-104 Significant postsurgical decreases are observed for

CA 19-9, but these decreases have not been correlated with survival

or disease-free interval.102 Filella et al103 have reported their

experience with CA 19-9 in monitoring disease recurrence. In 370

patients with colorectal cancer, progressive increases of serum CA 19-

9 were observed in 48% of 96 patients with relapse. However, the CA

19-9 abnormality preceded clinical manifestation of the disease in

only 25% of the cases and provided a median lead time of only 3

months. CEA was abnormal in 84% of the relapsed cases and preceded

clinical detection of recurrence in 75%. CA 19-9 and CEA in

combination did not improve the performance of the CEA test used

alone.103

The question you always have to ask with any test is, what are you

going to DO if the test comes out positive? If CEA is up then you go

on to get scans to check for possible tumors which can be resected.

If tumors show on scans, they offer surgery or chemo based on what is

seen. So there is a PURPOSE to CEA...as a motivator for further

scans. There is a PURPOSE for scans - to determine further

treatment. Treatment is never started based on CEA alone. CEA

alone has no meaning.

So what do you do if CA 19-9 is up? I'm sure they would not start

any new treatment for this if they won't for elevated CEA. If CA 19-9

is up and CEA is normal, would they do scans based on that (ask

them!)?

The ASCO article seems to indicate a high false positive rate

[snip]

The false-positive rate (> 37.0 U/mL) is 15% to 30% in patients with

nonneoplastic diseases of the pancreas, liver, and biliary

tract.100,101 Consequently, CA 19-9 cannot be used for screening

asymptomatic populations

So this indicator seems maybe even worse than CEA (which is bad

enough!)

Best,

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