Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 > I've heard that it is a good, safe alternative to drugs like DMPS and > DMSA, but have no personal experience with it. TK--- It is not safe and causes a lot of problems redistributing Hg as the dosage and timing are unknown, they do not actually know what it is in cilantro that chelates. It is not part of the protocol and Andy very strongly says stay away from it. I was thinking of > trying it, since I can't really try anything else right now while I am > on ABX. TK--- Do regular sauna instead as this is also a treatment for Lyme, they can not tollerate heat. > > - JB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I spoke with someone who used cilantro drops in her tea frequenty and had very good results. - JB > > I've heard that it is a good, safe alternative to drugs like DMPS > and > > DMSA, but have no personal experience with it. > > > TK--- It is not safe and causes a lot of problems redistributing Hg > as the dosage and timing are unknown, they do not actually know what > it is in cilantro that chelates. It is not part of the protocol and > Andy very strongly says stay away from it. > > > > I was thinking of > > trying it, since I can't really try anything else right now while I > am > > on ABX. > > > TK--- Do regular sauna instead as this is also a treatment for Lyme, > they can not tollerate heat. > > > > > > - JB > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > TK--- It is not safe and causes a lot of problems redistributing Hg > as the dosage and timing are unknown, they do not actually know what > it is in cilantro that chelates. However, it is perfectly possible to use a food effectively without isolating the element(s) that chelate. Not knowing what the elements are is not an issue. Not knowing the timing is a BIG issue. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > However, it is perfectly possible to use a food effectively > without isolating the element(s) that chelate. > > Not knowing what the elements are is not an issue. Not knowing > the timing is a BIG issue. > > good wishes, > Moria This makes perfect sense to me. What if I knew nothing of chelation and just liked to use the herb in cooking? (please see my other response- provide info if you can). Thanks! - JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > > However, it is perfectly possible to use a food effectively > > without isolating the element(s) that chelate. > > > > Not knowing what the elements are is not an issue. Not knowing > > the timing is a BIG issue. > > > > good wishes, > > Moria > > This makes perfect sense to me. What if I knew nothing of chelation > and just liked to use the herb in cooking? TK--- Then you could possibly make yourself very sick if you are Hg toxic. > (please see my other response- provide info if you can). > > Thanks! > > - JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Because we don't know what the chelating chemicals are (in cilantro) we do not know how much is in any given sample of cilantro. For example, in Europe uses cilanto and reports that he " feels good " and Joe in Upper Volta uses cilanto and gets " very sick " . It might be that ' cilantro has zero active ingredient and Joe's has a large quantity. There is no way of knowing (except maybe a bioassay in a mercury poisoned person, but that would only tell us if the active ingredient is there - plus or minus, not how much is there). (It also might be that is not mercury poisoned and Joe is). Plants don't have consistant amounts of chemicals from plant to plant, even within the same species. I agree that timing of the dose is a BIG issue, to minimize the risk of backfire, and I don't see how anyone could guess that. > > TK--- It is not safe and causes a lot of problems redistributing Hg > > as the dosage and timing are unknown, they do not actually know what > > it is in cilantro that chelates. > > However, it is perfectly possible to use a food effectively > without isolating the element(s) that chelate. > > Not knowing what the elements are is not an issue. Not knowing > the timing is a BIG issue. > > good wishes, > Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > > Because we don't know what the chelating chemicals are (in cilantro) > we do not know how much is in any given sample of cilantro. For > example, in Europe uses cilanto and reports that he " feels > good " and Joe in Upper Volta uses cilanto and gets " very sick " . which really may not have anything to do with being able to name an " active ingredient " . > It > might be that ' cilantro has zero active ingredient and Joe's > has a large quantity. It could be, but it is more likely the same " difference " we see with other chelation agents. Some people have OBVIOUS bad reactions to incorrect timing, and others DO NOT. Beats me. Haven't heard any great theories to explain it. But it is this way. All those people getting IV DMPS do NOT get super sick and go crazy. Only SOME of them do. > There is no way of knowing (except maybe a > bioassay in a mercury poisoned person, but that would only tell us if > the active ingredient is there - plus or minus, not how much is > there). (It also might be that is not mercury poisoned and Joe > is). > Plants don't have consistant amounts of chemicals from plant to plant, > even within the same species. No, but they do CONSISTENTLY have the same chemicals. I'm not sure it varies all that much, and if you were terribly worried about it you could use the same source for all the plants (or grow it yourself in cool weather). I made a tincture, which makes for easy measuring, and the VERY SAME concentration of everything within the batch. Again, if you were VERY concerned about it you could make a lot for consistency over a longer period of time. This is easy, and I'm not especially experienced with medicine making--- this is intro/easy level medicine making. It is about as hard as making salad dressing, but not as common to know how. Someone experienced with standardization issues with herbs might have many other pertinent ideas. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > > Because we don't know what the chelating chemicals are (in cilantro) > we do not know how much is in any given sample of cilantro. For > example, in Europe uses cilanto and reports that he " feels > good " and Joe in Upper Volta uses cilanto and gets " very sick " . which really may not have anything to do with being able to name an " active ingredient " . > It > might be that ' cilantro has zero active ingredient and Joe's > has a large quantity. It could be, but it is more likely the same " difference " we see with other chelation agents. Some people have OBVIOUS bad reactions to incorrect timing, and others DO NOT. Beats me. Haven't heard any great theories to explain it. But it is this way. All those people getting IV DMPS do NOT get super sick and go crazy. Only SOME of them do. > There is no way of knowing (except maybe a > bioassay in a mercury poisoned person, but that would only tell us if > the active ingredient is there - plus or minus, not how much is > there). (It also might be that is not mercury poisoned and Joe > is). > Plants don't have consistant amounts of chemicals from plant to plant, > even within the same species. No, but they do CONSISTENTLY have the same chemicals. I'm not sure it varies all that much, and if you were terribly worried about it you could use the same source for all the plants (or grow it yourself in cool weather). I made a tincture, which makes for easy measuring, and the VERY SAME concentration of everything within the batch. Again, if you were VERY concerned about it you could make a lot for consistency over a longer period of time. This is easy, and I'm not especially experienced with medicine making--- this is intro/easy level medicine making. It is about as hard as making salad dressing, but not as common to know how. Someone experienced with standardization issues with herbs might have many other pertinent ideas. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > It could be, but it is more likely the same " difference " we > see with other chelation agents. Some people have OBVIOUS > bad reactions to incorrect timing, and others DO NOT. > Beats me. Haven't heard any great theories to explain it. > But it is this way. All those people getting IV DMPS do > NOT get super sick and go crazy. Only SOME of them do. Can it be explained by fast metabolizers vs. slow metabolizers? I forget which ratio from the hair test Andy uses as an indication of metabolizing speed, but mine is very fast. I do better on 2.5 hr dosing, and the two times I tried stretching it at night past 4 hrs I had terrible headaches the next day. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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