Re: lyme disease

[Guest guest]

On another group there was a lot of discussion about lyme and autism in the past

few months. Some people believe there is a definite cause and effect. I

haven't had any of us tested for lyme so I can't give first hand information.

There is an autism and lyme group though. They might be able to offer more

help. Aren't you also on the autism/mercury group??? If so you can likely look

it up in archives, I think that was the group?? I think Andy at some point made

a comment or two.

What made you test for lyme if I may ask?

" (=^.^=) meow " wrote:

can heavy metal poisioning be confused with lyme disease?

my doctor gave me a lyme test and some lines showed up positive.

thank you in advance friends...

janey

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> can heavy metal poisioning be confused with lyme disease?

> my doctor gave me a lyme test and some lines showed up positive.

>

> thank you in advance friends...

> janey

>

I believe it can be. They seem to have a lot of the same mental

symptoms, fatigue, and acheyness. personally, i've been on

antibiotics for over a year now for lyme disease. i think i have (or

at least had) both mercury poisoning and lyme disease, which makes

things that much more confusing, and fun in some areas, like yeast

overgrowth (antibiotics kill good bacteria, so add that to the fact

that most mercury poisoned people have yeast problems to start with

and that they are exacerbated by treatment). I, like you, had " some

lines " show up positive. To further diagnose me my doctor gave me

antibiotics to see if A, i got better, and B if i had a " die off "

or " herxheimer " reaction. Both happened so it looked like i had it.

i stopped improving after about 6 months and just in the last month

or so started taking chelators for mercury. they really mess me up

if i take too much so i'm pretty sure i've got that too. so anyways,

in my opinion it would probably be good to take the appropriate

antibiotics for maybe 6 weeks and see if anything happens. and keep

in mind that having one doesn't mean you don't have the other to some

degree. and make sure you watch your yeast (diet, anti-fungals, pro-

biotics). and you might not want to treat both at the same time, at

least for a while, because if you get better you won't know why.

btw, what are your symptoms?

larry

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thanx larry for your reply.

my doctor gave me the Lyme IgM western blot test from IGeneX, inc.

i got some positives, some negitives. i heard these tests aren't all

that reliable.

my symtoms have been going on & off for 4 years now. a year and an

half ago i got all 8 amalgams out (the right way i believe)-but never

chelated.

my symtoms from 4 years on & off: anxiety,brain fog,short term memory,

hives(had them for 10 years)nervousness,tingling in left arm,muscle

twicthes, constipation,dizzy, low blood pressure, fatigue & wake up

nauseous. i've dropped 30 lbs.

i've been on a candida diet for a year.

this has been a nightmare rollercoaster for me.

janey

[Guest guest]

Check out the Salt/C protocol link in the Links section.

A lot of people seem to improve on this.

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> can heavy metal poisioning be confused with lyme disease?

> my doctor gave me a lyme test and some lines showed up positive.

>

> thank you in advance friends...

> janey

>

[Guest guest]

hi melissa,

my doctor made me take a test for it.

and my new hair tests are boarder line for mercury...so i'm not ruling

that out yet...but she suspects lyme. i did get some positive on the

lyme test..so we will further persue it.

i just want to feel well again.

janey

[Guest guest]

Janey,

I have the same situation with lyme but I do have a positive on the counting

rules. Just curious, did you do salt/c?

Lee

Re: lyme disease

hi melissa,

my doctor made me take a test for it.

and my new hair tests are boarder line for mercury...so i'm not ruling

that out yet...but she suspects lyme. i did get some positive on the

lyme test..so we will further persue it.

i just want to feel well again.

janey

[Guest guest]

,

where have you heard about people's improvements on the Salt/C

protocol?

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> > can heavy metal poisioning be confused with lyme disease?

> > my doctor gave me a lyme test and some lines showed up positive.

> >

> > thank you in advance friends...

> > janey

> >

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[Guest guest]

Some people on this group felt they had both lyme and

mercury. They tried salt/C and felt they had some

improvement and decided to do that instead of chelation

for now.

You can join the lymestrategies group to learn more.

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> > > can heavy metal poisioning be confused with lyme disease?

> > > my doctor gave me a lyme test and some lines showed up positive.

> > >

> > > thank you in advance friends...

> > > janey

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

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> thanx larry for your reply.

> my doctor gave me the Lyme IgM western blot test from IGeneX, inc.

> i got some positives, some negitives. i heard these tests aren't

all

> that reliable.

l--- that is the same test i took. i'm pretty sure you're right -

the test isn't very useful. lots of false negatives. do you have

any other reasons to think it's lyme disease? when things got bad 4

years ago, was it all of a sudden? like you were consistently

healthy and your brain worked fine and then something came over you

fairly suddenly? and did you have any ticks on you or a bite? or

are you in an area where there are lots of deer and rodents? Also,

if things got bad all of a sudden 4 years ago, is there reason to

believe you got an extra dose of mercury, maybe from dental work

about a year prior, etc.??

> my symtoms have been going on & off for 4 years now. a year and an

> half ago i got all 8 amalgams out (the right way i believe)-but

never

> chelated.

> my symtoms from 4 years on & off: anxiety,brain fog,short term

memory,

> hives(had them for 10 years)nervousness,tingling in left arm,muscle

> twicthes, constipation,dizzy, low blood pressure, fatigue & wake up

> nauseous. i've dropped 30 lbs.

> i've been on a candida diet for a year.

> this has been a nightmare rollercoaster for me.

l-- i read some of your other emails. my personal opinion is that

you really should try chelating... for one thing, if you don't use

lipoic acid eventually, any mercury that got into your brain, and

surely there was some, will never come out. so any symptoms you have

from that (possibly brain fog, nervousness, anxiety, short term

memory, dizzy, twitches) will never ever improve. you could (and i

probably would) start with DMPS. if you're worried about it being

too hard on you, start at a really really low dose, like 5mg and do

it every 6 hours to minimize the chances of redistribution. i would

think the chances of you noticing anything negative (or positive for

that matter) at that dose would be extremely small. after you've

taken a given dose for a week or two, if it's not helping, but not

bothering you either, you can go up. eventually, if mercury is a

problem, i would think you would find a dose where you actually feel

better than you do now. either that, you will find a dose that

bothers you and then you can back down, but you will know it is

helping. and if you get up to a high dose (like 100mg) and notice

nothing, then you could phase in lipoic acid the same way (i'd phase

it in at some point regardless)... also, from what i've read, lots

of people can't get rid of lyme disease until they deal with

mercury. once they get rid of the mercury, their immune system (and

everything else) is a lot stronger and works a lot better and can

help out a lot more. it's like on the autism group, it seem like

there are lots of stories of parents who want to get their kid strong

enough for chelation by fixing their yeast problems or this or that,

but then when they finally get around to chelating, they see immense

improvement and say " why didn't i do this earlier??? " since the

mercury is what is causing the problem, and nothing will ever get

fixed until the root problem is dealt with... Also, i noticed on

your hair test, lithium was zero. mine was too. on one of the

things i read about the counting rules, it was stated that very low

lithium is common in mercury poisoning.

larry

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> janey

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[Guest guest]

wow larry-

thank you for that informative and sensitive post.

i have dmps in 10 mgs. maybe i should get my doctor to order the 5 mgs.

i guess i will have to take the 'plunge' and do it, even though i am

so scared to do it-my anxiety doesn't help me from being a chicken.

is it common that this comes & goes? my hives popping out for no good

reason?

i find it wierd that while i was on mega doses of advil when i got my

tmj (from all the restoration of taking out the metals)all these

symtoms didn't bother me...wierd.

i too have been trying to control the candida. i've dropped 30 pounds

just from being ill.

this is a stupid question, but does the mercury also cause white blood

count to go up too? as though i'm fighting some sort of an infection?

do you do dmps? how much & for how long?

janey

[Guest guest]

thanx stephanie, i will join this group and see what they have to say.

yes i've heard about the salt/c...lots of people happy with this.

janey

[Guest guest]

hi lee,

no..i'm just reading about the salt/c now...i see lots of postitives.

i think it's worth a try.

janey

[Guest guest]

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> wow larry-

> thank you for that informative and sensitive post.

> i have dmps in 10 mgs. maybe i should get my doctor to order the 5

mgs.

> i guess i will have to take the 'plunge' and do it, even though i

am

> so scared to do it-my anxiety doesn't help me from being a chicken.

> is it common that this comes & goes?

l--- for me, it does, especially when i was on DMSA, not so much

with DMPS. occasionally i'm absolutely fearful of absolutely

nothing (and everything).

my hives popping out for no good

> reason?

> i find it wierd that while i was on mega doses of advil when i got

my

> tmj (from all the restoration of taking out the metals)all these

> symtoms didn't bother me...wierd.

l--- have you tried taking fish oil? i'm not sure how advil works,

but i know asprin works (at least partially - i'm not an expert on

this) by blocking certain chemicals and making more of others from

fatty acids - prostoglandins and such, and that fish oil also does

this, but in a better and more permanent way. i know it also helps

with anything caused by excessive inflammation - like maybe it would

help with the hives??

> i too have been trying to control the candida. i've dropped 30

pounds

> just from being ill.

>

> this is a stupid question, but does the mercury also cause white

blood

> count to go up too? as though i'm fighting some sort of an

infection?

>

> do you do dmps? how much & for how long?

l--- personally, i do 50mg every 6 hours. i'm only on my first

round, but it's gone about 2 weeks. i tried 100mg for a few days -

it caused a hair more discomfort, but i think i'm going to ask my

doctor for that next month. for the last 3 days i also took 50mg LA

every 3 hours. that went pretty well, though i had to watch my

anger a bit more. i think i'm probably not nearly as poisoned as

you though. my symptoms aren't too extreme, just more depressed and

significantly less able to concentrate than i used to be. and my

energy levels are fairly low. i would think 10mg would be a low

enough dose, i just suggested 5mg because that is the lowest dose

i've ever heard of anyone taking. good luck with whatever you

decide on!

>

> janey

>

[Guest guest]

thanks again larry.

1 more ?

did you ever feel fatigue or nausea from the mercury?

headache...blah?

janey

[Guest guest]

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> thanks again larry.

> 1 more ?

> did you ever feel fatigue or nausea from the mercury?

> headache...blah?

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> janey

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currently, i feel all four of those things to some degree. i think

it is the mercury. i know for a very long time i've gotten headaches

more often then most people. usually pretty dull but very persistent

or frequent. i also felt lack of energy, though it wasn't until

getting lyme disease (i think) that it was much of a problem. before

i just felt that i didn't have quite the energy other people do.

Nausea was never a problem before the lyme disease. with it though,

i felt mild nausea all the time and got really sick a few times. i'd

eat something and randomly my stomach would just say " i'm having none

of that! and i'm getting rid of anything you've eaten in the last 8

hours too! " now it's just occasional mild nausea.

you're welcome.

larry

[Guest guest]

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> thanks again larry.

> 1 more ?

> did you ever feel fatigue or nausea from the mercury?

> headache...blah?

>

> janey

>

and one more thing, i should have mentioned fatigue since it is very

significant... having lyme disease, my energy levels dropped more

and more for a few years. towards the end, and continuing until very

recently, i couldn't exercise without getting sick and being bed-

ridden for a few days, i always had a backlog of laundry and dishes

and if it wasn't for needing to go to work, i probably would never

get out of bed. doing everything was hard. going to get groceries,

making food, etc. i think that chelation has helped that more than

anything. because even treating lyme disease - it got rid of lots of

symptoms but i'm not sure it helped anything at all in the fatigue

department. i think it helped my exercise tolerance some, but that's

about all. in fact, i think i even became more fatigued between the

time i started taking antibiotics and the time i started taking

chelators (about a year's time). Six months of that time i was on

that cilantro/chlorella protocol, though, and i think it's quite

possible that was part of why i got worse in that area...

larry