Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 I have to tell you Bill that on Canadian radio this morning some political analysts were laughing their heads off over the fact that a dead man could be elected to the senate in Missouri. I can't believe that that vote will be allowed to stand. I understand that the governor can appoint anyone he wants to a senate seat but if that's the case then they should have just discounted that entire vote in advance. What a bizarre election all around. I was so sure that Gore had the momentum to win and then the rug got pulled out from under him when CNN reversed their call in Florida. Did he ever appear to speak last night? I know he called Bush and conceded and was scheduled to speak then he called Bush back an hour later. I finally gave up and went to bed when they announced there would have to be a recount in Florida. I managed a nap on the sofa for 3 or 4 hours though between 11 and 3 though while I was waiting for California to come in. I'll bet there are alot of people who woke up this morning and are kicking themselves for not voting. Hugs, Pam --- Werre wrote: > , > > I remember the " Dewey Wins " headline and Truman holding it up. I also remember > H. B. Kaultenborn and his famous declaration about sending Truman back to > Missouri. ) From the looks of things, we will have Bush as President and > Gore with the most popular vote. > > Unfortunately, I do not think that will stop Bush from banning research at NIH. > I don't think there will be enough support in Congress to over ride the > Executive Order to ban the research (I think it takes 2/3 majority) especially > in the House. It bothers me greatly that in a country that is supposed to have > religious freedom, one man can stop medical research (which I and many other's > believe God gave us the intelligence to use) to suit his own personal beliefs. > Here in Virginia Gore, lost on gun control - everyone feels owning their Ozi is > more important than saving the life of a Parkinson's patient. While standing in > line to vote I overheard several people saying that was the only reason they > were voting and all had the NRA patches. I knew one of the men and asked him > about his sister (who has Parkinson's), he said she would never be cured anyway > and he was voting for his guns. I told him that Christ would be proud of him. > ) at least Moses will be proud of him ) > > Take care, Bill and Charlotte > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Hi Pam, How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing. What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane Re: US Election > I have to tell you Bill that on Canadian radio this morning some political analysts were laughing their > heads off over the fact that a dead man could be elected to the senate in Missouri. I can't believe > that that vote will be allowed to stand. I understand that the governor can appoint anyone he wants to > a senate seat but if that's the case then they should have just discounted that entire vote in > advance. What a bizarre election all around. I was so sure that Gore had the momentum to win and then > the rug got pulled out from under him when CNN reversed their call in Florida. Did he ever appear to > speak last night? I know he called Bush and conceded and was scheduled to speak then he called Bush > back an hour later. I finally gave up and went to bed when they announced there would have to be a > recount in Florida. I managed a nap on the sofa for 3 or 4 hours though between 11 and 3 though while > I was waiting for California to come in. I'll bet there are alot of people who woke up this morning > and are kicking themselves for not voting. > > Hugs, > Pam > --- > > Werre wrote: > > > , > > > > I remember the " Dewey Wins " headline and Truman holding it up. I also remember > > H. B. Kaultenborn and his famous declaration about sending Truman back to > > Missouri. ) From the looks of things, we will have Bush as President and > > Gore with the most popular vote. > > > > Unfortunately, I do not think that will stop Bush from banning research at NIH. > > I don't think there will be enough support in Congress to over ride the > > Executive Order to ban the research (I think it takes 2/3 majority) especially > > in the House. It bothers me greatly that in a country that is supposed to have > > religious freedom, one man can stop medical research (which I and many other's > > believe God gave us the intelligence to use) to suit his own personal beliefs. > > Here in Virginia Gore, lost on gun control - everyone feels owning their Ozi is > > more important than saving the life of a Parkinson's patient. While standing in > > line to vote I overheard several people saying that was the only reason they > > were voting and all had the NRA patches. I knew one of the men and asked him > > about his sister (who has Parkinson's), he said she would never be cured anyway > > and he was voting for his guns. I told him that Christ would be proud of him. > > ) at least Moses will be proud of him ) > > > > Take care, Bill and Charlotte > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Hi Diane, I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on the 11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out. The lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run off " election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some states requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I don't understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know more about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. Except for the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad about Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment. Too bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it was such a close race. An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some hope for it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist every arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the US doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go there. Love, Pam. Joe Allhands wrote: > Hi Pam, > > How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I > got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they > were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically > " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems > they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the > impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing. > What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Pam, The big problem there is that NIH approves all new experimental proceedures. So if it is develpoed privately, it still is classified as experimental until NIH approves it. Since NIH will have to stop setting up a protochol under a ban, they will have to wait until the ban is lifted to start working on approving it. Until it is approved by NIH the experimental classification means that Medicare and even private insurance companies do not have to pay for it. That normally takes three years for approval, so we are looking at a three year lag - after it is perfected privately. This could mean it will be 5-8 years off instead of less than three years. (And this is only Parkinson's) In the case of MSA where there are only 40,000 cases, Parkinson's with 1.5 million cases will come first. You know that fetal tissue transplant was first done in Mexico before 1980, yet NIH did not look at it until after 1993 because it was banned. Therefore most of the early research on Parkinson's operations was done in Sweden or France. Even China did more research than the USA at that time. I know Australia has also done some and I am not sure about Canada. The fetal tissue transplant showed that while it helped, the cells were too " adult " already and that is when they started looking for cells before they were programmed to become dopamine producing neurons. The BIG argument at that time was that fetal tissue transplants would cause more abortions. The total number of fetal tissue transplants done was 80 and it took 6-10 fetuses per transplant which is less than 800 fetuses. Those fetuses were primarily obtained from cases where the mother was killed in an accident (many from gunshots) and the baby could not survive on it's own - they looked for fetuses (actually embryos) less than 4 weeks old. During that 5 year period according to Pat on there were 7.5 million abortions in the USA alone (he has said publically there are 1.5 million a year in the USA). So we will be left again with a " class " system here in the USA. If you can afford the $100,000 or more to get the cure without your insurance, you will be able to get it. If not, you will be out of luck. J. Fox knows that it will delay the cure, that is why he made that plea. And he will be able to afford it whenever it becomes available. My guess is that without funding the NINDS group at NIH will lose it's biomolecular group to private companies where they will be able to earn big bucks and eventually that group will have to rebuild it's expertise. That also takes years. In fact, I know that McKay has thought about this possibility. Take care, Bill and Charlotte ============================================================== Pam Bower wrote: > Hi Diane, > > I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on the > 11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be > satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be > accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out. The > lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run off " > election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some states > requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I don't > understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know more > about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. Except for > the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad about > Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment. Too > bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it was > such a close race. > > An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some > biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some hope for > it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist every > arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the US > doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go there. > > Love, > Pam. > > Joe Allhands wrote: > > > Hi Pam, > > > > How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I > > got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they > > were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically > > " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems > > they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the > > impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing. > > What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 Hi, The California sunshine seems to be in short supply today, and I think we may be in for some showers. A " run off " election is when the results are too close, or less than what's required for passage, and they basically hold another election on the same issue. Sorry to hear you're being deluged there; hope you see some sunshine soon. I'm sure our days are coming here, as that's what winter's like in California. Talk to you soon. Smiles and hugs, Diane Re: US Election > Hi Diane, > > I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on the > 11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be > satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be > accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out. The > lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run off " > election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some states > requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I don't > understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know more > about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. Except for > the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad about > Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment. Too > bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it was > such a close race. > > An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some > biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some hope for > it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist every > arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the US > doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go there. > > Love, > Pam. > > Joe Allhands wrote: > > > Hi Pam, > > > > How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I > > got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they > > were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically > > " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems > > they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the > > impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing. > > What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 Thanks Pam. We do have a glorious and at sometimes tainted history. But today in Egypt they are killing each other at the voting places. All Hail to the US laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 I guess a lot of countries have gov based on the Romans. But they fell apart too. The greatest compliment is to have someone do as you do. Barb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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