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I have to tell you Bill that on Canadian radio this morning some political

analysts were laughing their

heads off over the fact that a dead man could be elected to the senate in

Missouri. I can't believe

that that vote will be allowed to stand. I understand that the governor can

appoint anyone he wants to

a senate seat but if that's the case then they should have just discounted that

entire vote in

advance. What a bizarre election all around. I was so sure that Gore had the

momentum to win and then

the rug got pulled out from under him when CNN reversed their call in Florida.

Did he ever appear to

speak last night? I know he called Bush and conceded and was scheduled to speak

then he called Bush

back an hour later. I finally gave up and went to bed when they announced there

would have to be a

recount in Florida. I managed a nap on the sofa for 3 or 4 hours though between

11 and 3 though while

I was waiting for California to come in. I'll bet there are alot of people who

woke up this morning

and are kicking themselves for not voting.

Hugs,

Pam

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Werre wrote:

> ,

>

> I remember the " Dewey Wins " headline and Truman holding it up. I also

remember

> H. B. Kaultenborn and his famous declaration about sending Truman back to

> Missouri. :o) From the looks of things, we will have Bush as President and

> Gore with the most popular vote.

>

> Unfortunately, I do not think that will stop Bush from banning research at

NIH.

> I don't think there will be enough support in Congress to over ride the

> Executive Order to ban the research (I think it takes 2/3 majority) especially

> in the House. It bothers me greatly that in a country that is supposed to

have

> religious freedom, one man can stop medical research (which I and many other's

> believe God gave us the intelligence to use) to suit his own personal beliefs.

> Here in Virginia Gore, lost on gun control - everyone feels owning their Ozi

is

> more important than saving the life of a Parkinson's patient. While standing

in

> line to vote I overheard several people saying that was the only reason they

> were voting and all had the NRA patches. I knew one of the men and asked him

> about his sister (who has Parkinson's), he said she would never be cured

anyway

> and he was voting for his guns. I told him that Christ would be proud of him.

> :o) at least Moses will be proud of him :o)

>

> Take care, Bill and Charlotte

>

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Hi Pam,

How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I

got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they

were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically

" taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems

they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the

impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing.

What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane

Re: US Election

> I have to tell you Bill that on Canadian radio this morning some political

analysts were laughing their

> heads off over the fact that a dead man could be elected to the senate in

Missouri. I can't believe

> that that vote will be allowed to stand. I understand that the governor

can appoint anyone he wants to

> a senate seat but if that's the case then they should have just discounted

that entire vote in

> advance. What a bizarre election all around. I was so sure that Gore had

the momentum to win and then

> the rug got pulled out from under him when CNN reversed their call in

Florida. Did he ever appear to

> speak last night? I know he called Bush and conceded and was scheduled to

speak then he called Bush

> back an hour later. I finally gave up and went to bed when they announced

there would have to be a

> recount in Florida. I managed a nap on the sofa for 3 or 4 hours though

between 11 and 3 though while

> I was waiting for California to come in. I'll bet there are alot of

people who woke up this morning

> and are kicking themselves for not voting.

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

> ---

>

> Werre wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > I remember the " Dewey Wins " headline and Truman holding it up. I also

remember

> > H. B. Kaultenborn and his famous declaration about sending Truman back

to

> > Missouri. :o) From the looks of things, we will have Bush as President

and

> > Gore with the most popular vote.

> >

> > Unfortunately, I do not think that will stop Bush from banning research

at NIH.

> > I don't think there will be enough support in Congress to over ride the

> > Executive Order to ban the research (I think it takes 2/3 majority)

especially

> > in the House. It bothers me greatly that in a country that is supposed

to have

> > religious freedom, one man can stop medical research (which I and many

other's

> > believe God gave us the intelligence to use) to suit his own personal

beliefs.

> > Here in Virginia Gore, lost on gun control - everyone feels owning their

Ozi is

> > more important than saving the life of a Parkinson's patient. While

standing in

> > line to vote I overheard several people saying that was the only reason

they

> > were voting and all had the NRA patches. I knew one of the men and

asked him

> > about his sister (who has Parkinson's), he said she would never be cured

anyway

> > and he was voting for his guns. I told him that Christ would be proud

of him.

> > :o) at least Moses will be proud of him :o)

> >

> > Take care, Bill and Charlotte

>

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Hi Diane,

I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on the

11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be

satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be

accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out. The

lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run off "

election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some states

requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I don't

understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know more

about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. :) Except for

the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad about

Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment. Too

bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it was

such a close race.

An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some

biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some hope for

it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist every

arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the US

doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go there.

Love,

Pam.

Joe Allhands wrote:

> Hi Pam,

>

> How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I

> got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they

> were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically

> " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems

> they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the

> impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing.

> What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane

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Pam,

The big problem there is that NIH approves all new experimental proceedures. So

if

it is develpoed privately, it still is classified as experimental until NIH

approves

it. Since NIH will have to stop setting up a protochol under a ban, they will

have

to wait until the ban is lifted to start working on approving it.

Until it is approved by NIH the experimental classification means that Medicare

and

even private insurance companies do not have to pay for it. That normally takes

three years for approval, so we are looking at a three year lag - after it is

perfected privately. This could mean it will be 5-8 years off instead of less

than

three years. (And this is only Parkinson's) In the case of MSA where there are

only

40,000 cases, Parkinson's with 1.5 million cases will come first.

You know that fetal tissue transplant was first done in Mexico before 1980, yet

NIH

did not look at it until after 1993 because it was banned. Therefore most of

the

early research on Parkinson's operations was done in Sweden or France. Even

China

did more research than the USA at that time. I know Australia has also done

some

and I am not sure about Canada.

The fetal tissue transplant showed that while it helped, the cells were too

" adult "

already and that is when they started looking for cells before they were

programmed

to become dopamine producing neurons. The BIG argument at that time was that

fetal

tissue transplants would cause more abortions. The total number of fetal tissue

transplants done was 80 and it took 6-10 fetuses per transplant which is less

than

800 fetuses. Those fetuses were primarily obtained from cases where the mother

was

killed in an accident (many from gunshots) and the baby could not survive on

it's

own - they looked for fetuses (actually embryos) less than 4 weeks old. During

that

5 year period according to Pat on there were 7.5 million abortions in the

USA

alone (he has said publically there are 1.5 million a year in the USA).

So we will be left again with a " class " system here in the USA. If you can

afford

the $100,000 or more to get the cure without your insurance, you will be able to

get

it. If not, you will be out of luck. J. Fox knows that it will delay

the

cure, that is why he made that plea. And he will be able to afford it whenever

it

becomes available.

My guess is that without funding the NINDS group at NIH will lose it's

biomolecular

group to private companies where they will be able to earn big bucks and

eventually

that group will have to rebuild it's expertise. That also takes years. In

fact, I

know that McKay has thought about this possibility.

Take care, Bill and Charlotte

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Pam Bower wrote:

> Hi Diane,

>

> I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on the

> 11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be

> satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be

> accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out.

The

> lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run off "

> election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some states

> requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I

don't

> understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know

more

> about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. :) Except

for

> the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad about

> Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment. Too

> bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it was

> such a close race.

>

> An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some

> biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some hope

for

> it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist

every

> arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the US

> doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go

there.

>

> Love,

> Pam.

>

> Joe Allhands wrote:

>

> > Hi Pam,

> >

> > How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When I

> > got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows, they

> > were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically

> > " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida, seems

> > they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the

> > impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this thing.

> > What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane

>

>

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Hi,

The California sunshine seems to be in short supply today, and I think we

may be in for some showers. A " run off " election is when the results are

too close, or less than what's required for passage, and they basically hold

another election on the same issue. Sorry to hear you're being deluged

there; hope you see some sunshine soon. I'm sure our days are coming here,

as that's what winter's like in California. Talk to you soon. Smiles and

hugs, Diane

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> Hi Diane,

>

> I'm doing OK but could use a bit of California sunshine, I think we're on

the

> 11th or 12th straight day of rain here. I'm not convinced people will be

> satisfied no matter which way it goes with Florida, I'll bet there will be

> accusations of voting irregularities on both sides before the week is out.

The

> lawyers must be working overtime. Can someone explain to me what a " run

off "

> election is? I heard it mentioned last night in the context of some

states

> requiring it under certain circumstances. Don't forget I'm Canadian so I

don't

> understand all of how your system works although I'm willing to bet I know

more

> about the US system than most of you know about the Canadian one. :)

Except for

> the stem cell and abortion issues I don't see anything really that bad

about

> Bush and I really admire Al Gore for his stand on the environment.

Too

> bad you can't have the best of both of them. I think maybe that's why it

was

> such a close race.

>

> An aside to Bill... a stem cell breakthrough will mean big money for some

> biotech companies in the US, don't you think there might still be some

hope for

> it on that level? Someone stands to make alot of money and they will twist

every

> arm they can in Congress and the Senate to see that they get it. If the

US

> doesn't move ahead with it other countries will and the big money will go

there.

>

> Love,

> Pam.

>

> Joe Allhands wrote:

>

> > Hi Pam,

> >

> > How are you these days? Had to write after reading your posting. When

I

> > got up this am and turned on one of the Bay area morning news shows,

they

> > were stating that after the concession speech was made, it was basically

> > " taken back " . They are now doing a recount on the votes in Florida,

seems

> > they've found some ballots that weren't counted; at least that's the

> > impression I got. It sounds like Gore can still possibly win this

thing.

> > What a mess, huh? Smiles and hugs, Diane

>

>

>

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