sleep deprivation

[Guest guest]

I have a major sleep problem too. For about six years I took amitriptyline (for

FMS) to help

and it did but left me sluggish and with gradually building depression and it

seemed to make the world look dull to me(I mean my actual visual perception)

I take Melatonin but still have trouble. I always am ready to go into a deep

sleep

at the time I have to get up in the morning. My mom was like this too and I

wonder

if part of it is an inherited sleep pattern? I find that taking nsaids at night

seems to help my sleep too. I have been trying to do without them as much as

possible.

In past someone has mentioned something called 5HTP or something similar.

[Guest guest]

Oh Pete, my heart goes out to you. I never had a sleep problem before and had

absolutely no idea all the things that sleep deprivation could affect. I can't

imagine living without good sleep for years. You mentioned the sublingual meds

you took for headaches....my homeopath tried several concoctions for my sleep

but they didn't help....but so many other things he has treated have been

resolved. If you are taking something with morning glory in it, it almost sounds

as if it is a homeopathic treatment. You might give homeopathic sleeping

remedies a try.

I grew out of my headaches....my dad once told me that as I grew up and started

seeing the big picture instead of all the little pieces it would help with the

headaches. He too had migraines. I never believed him but as I aged my headaches

lessened until they were no more. Well, I shouldn't say 'no more " because I

might have a migraine once a year now....but living with constant headaches is

the absolute worse and I really sympathize with people who live with headaches.

Good luck with your sleep. Have you tried accupuncture?

Blessings

Tatezi

sleep deprivation

Tatezi " <tatezi@...

says

> Sleep deprivation is just an awful thing.

>

Its been used as a form of torture over the centuries.

I have had it for 30+ years, Night mares,waking mares, flash backs, Never in

all those 30 years of not being able to sleep have I ever gotten a nights

rest where I got into stage 4 sleep. dont even know what that would be like.

When I self medicated, ie:

booze, hard drugs, opium of choice, I could get rest and sleep but it was

always such a drugged yucky sleep it wasnt what I wanted or needed. I have

tried all the VA's sleep meds, head meds, totaling into the hundreds, all in

vain to try and capture that elusive good nights sleep. So enjoy those of you

that have what I can only wish I could dream of...

Tatezi says I had migraines and cluster headaches and it was almost

unbearable. I don't have any answers for you.

I to was a master of headaches I had them all...BUT

I found a Dr. that was a headache specialist because he was a sufferer also.

I was put on the antidote for the poison that I was to take (It was a member

of the morning glory plant family and a poison.) (used it subligialy) cant

remember names. Brain dead today.. most days.. Havent had one since.. 1987

Thank the Lord...

Pete G

" Chance favors the prepared mind "

Louis Pasteur

** If you can't be a good example then you have to be a horrible warning**

Da YOOPER

[Guest guest]

Oh Pete, my heart goes out to you. I never had a sleep problem before and had

absolutely no idea all the things that sleep deprivation could affect. I can't

imagine living without good sleep for years. You mentioned the sublingual meds

you took for headaches....my homeopath tried several concoctions for my sleep

but they didn't help....but so many other things he has treated have been

resolved. If you are taking something with morning glory in it, it almost sounds

as if it is a homeopathic treatment. You might give homeopathic sleeping

remedies a try.

I grew out of my headaches....my dad once told me that as I grew up and started

seeing the big picture instead of all the little pieces it would help with the

headaches. He too had migraines. I never believed him but as I aged my headaches

lessened until they were no more. Well, I shouldn't say 'no more " because I

might have a migraine once a year now....but living with constant headaches is

the absolute worse and I really sympathize with people who live with headaches.

Good luck with your sleep. Have you tried accupuncture?

Blessings

Tatezi

sleep deprivation

Tatezi " <tatezi@...

says

> Sleep deprivation is just an awful thing.

>

Its been used as a form of torture over the centuries.

I have had it for 30+ years, Night mares,waking mares, flash backs, Never in

all those 30 years of not being able to sleep have I ever gotten a nights

rest where I got into stage 4 sleep. dont even know what that would be like.

When I self medicated, ie:

booze, hard drugs, opium of choice, I could get rest and sleep but it was

always such a drugged yucky sleep it wasnt what I wanted or needed. I have

tried all the VA's sleep meds, head meds, totaling into the hundreds, all in

vain to try and capture that elusive good nights sleep. So enjoy those of you

that have what I can only wish I could dream of...

Tatezi says I had migraines and cluster headaches and it was almost

unbearable. I don't have any answers for you.

I to was a master of headaches I had them all...BUT

I found a Dr. that was a headache specialist because he was a sufferer also.

I was put on the antidote for the poison that I was to take (It was a member

of the morning glory plant family and a poison.) (used it subligialy) cant

remember names. Brain dead today.. most days.. Havent had one since.. 1987

Thank the Lord...

Pete G

" Chance favors the prepared mind "

Louis Pasteur

** If you can't be a good example then you have to be a horrible warning**

Da YOOPER

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The Ativan didn't start out as a sleeping aid. I used to have horrible panic attacks and that's what I used them for. When I was going thru tx, I realized I could use them to help me sleep but it wasn't a regular thing with me. It has just been in the past year that the Clonopin went from being an aide for my spinning spells (where I start 24 different things and can't focus enough on any of them to get anything finished) to being used for sleep. I really don't know how that happened but I had too many doctors stirring the mix. Now that I'm down to one, hopefully I can get things resolved. Back to the ativan for the crazy moments when I can't concentrate and something for sleep when I need it. I can usually only go a maximum of a week

on a normal cycle, then I have an up all night attack and I can be up for 36 hours or more straight thru. This last bout was from Saturday at 1 til 6 Monday morning but I did manage to get a couple hours sleep on Sunday afternoon, like maybe 3. I just know that this can't be good for me and it's aggravating as all get out. I just want to be able to sleep like a normal person. I want to know what normal is like again... wait... I can't say anyone has ever accused me of being normal.. Hugs,Teriaka the sleep deprived water witch. From: Gloria <gadamscan@...> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 11:24:29 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Not used to this feeling.....

TeriFirst of all, ativan game me headaches, so that didn't work. Like you, I've always had trouble sleeping and the worst of it, my clock would much rather that I am asleep during the day and stay awake all night.There was another med that a Dr. prescribed for me that also was a low dose sleeping pill / anti-depressant. Well, one time when I hadn't had much sleep for days, I was wired for sound and went in to see my Dr. fill-in. Flat out I told her that I did not need an anti-depressant; but, if I didn't get something to help me sleep soon - she might as well put me in the psych ward now.That's when I started on the Zopiclone. Even after years and years on them, I've only had to raise it up to 1-1/2 at night. There will be the occasional night when I

don't believe there is a pill on the planet that will allow me to sleep; but, it's sure a long way from the way it used to be.Gloria

[Guest guest]

TeriIt sounds like you are ADHD like I am!! I'm well known for not being a completer (as one woman put it). It's really bad when you do the work that I do and I fight it hard; but, I don't get very far until it becomes crisis time. Even right now, I'm making deals with myself so that I can get back into a proper work mode. Then, like you, I'll start on one client's bookkeeping and another one calls for information. So, I push the 1st one over, so that I can look for whatever for the other client. If the 2nd client's request meant that I had to do some work on it, then for sure that's another pile. On and on it goes like that. Trouble is, I don't have my huge work space anymore, so this little trailer always looks messy.Actually, the ADHD

has been a whole lot better since I had to go on beta blockers. Prior to that, it would get so bad that I couldn't complete a whole sentence before my next thought would crowd that one out. I knew it was bad when I would notice how fast my thoughts were going. Instead of that being the problem now, I find that I just totally forget what I was talking about between the beginning of a sentence and the end. Or at least, when I have to stop abruptly because I've forgotten.Gloria

The Ativan didn't start out as a sleeping aid. I used to have horrible panic attacks and that's what I used them for. When I was going thru tx, I realized I could use them to help me sleep but it wasn't a regular thing with me. It has just been in the past year that the Clonopin went from being an aide for my spinning spells (where I start 24 different things and can't focus enough on any of them to get anything finished) to being used for sleep. I really don't know how that happened but I had too many doctors stirring the mix. Now that I'm down to one, hopefully I can get things resolved. Back to the ativan for the crazy moments when I can't concentrate and something for sleep when I need it. I can usually only go a maximum of a week

on a normal cycle, then I have an up all night attack and I can be up for 36 hours or more straight thru. This last bout was from Saturday at 1 til 6 Monday morning but I did manage to get a couple hours sleep on Sunday afternoon, like maybe 3. I just know that this can't be good for me and it's aggravating as all get out. I just want to be able to sleep like a normal person. I want to know what normal is like again... wait... I can't say anyone has ever accused me of being normal.. Hugs,Teriaka the sleep deprived water witch. From: Gloria <gadamscan@...> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 11:24:29 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Not used to this feeling.....

TeriFirst of all, ativan game me headaches, so that didn't work. Like you, I've always had trouble sleeping and the worst of it, my clock would much rather that I am asleep during the day and stay awake all night.There was another med that a Dr. prescribed for me that also was a low dose sleeping pill / anti-depressant. Well, one time when I hadn't had much sleep for days, I was wired for sound and went in to see my Dr. fill-in. Flat out I told her that I did not need an anti-depressant; but, if I didn't get something to help me sleep soon - she might as well put me in the psych ward now.That's when I started on the Zopiclone. Even after years and years on them, I've only had to raise it up to 1-1/2 at night. There will be the occasional night when I

don't believe there is a pill on the planet that will allow me to sleep; but, it's sure a long way from the way it used to be.Gloria

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That's exactly how I am now. But before tx I wasn't this way. I held down amazing jobs and finished things and there was never an issue. This started during treatment. And yes, you just described me.. all of it. From your first word to your last. Are we twins separated at birth?Hugs,Teriaka the water witch.. I'm having too much fun with this nickname.. Thanks Steve! From: Gloria <gadamscan@...> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 1:37:40 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Sleep deprivation

TeriIt sounds like you are ADHD like I am!! I'm well known for not being a completer (as one woman put it). It's really bad when you do the work that I do and I fight it hard; but, I don't get very far until it becomes crisis time. Even right now, I'm making deals with myself so that I can get back into a proper work mode. Then, like you, I'll start on one client's bookkeeping and another one calls for information. So, I push the 1st one over, so that I can look for whatever for the other client. If the 2nd client's request meant that I had to do some work on it, then for sure that's another pile. On and on it goes like that. Trouble is, I don't have my huge work space anymore, so this little trailer always looks messy.Actually, the ADHD

has been a whole lot better since I had to go on beta blockers. Prior to that, it would get so bad that I couldn't complete a whole sentence before my next thought would crowd that one out. I knew it was bad when I would notice how fast my thoughts were going. Instead of that being the problem now, I find that I just totally forget what I was talking about between the beginning of a sentence and the end. Or at least, when I have to stop abruptly because I've forgotten.Gloria