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Hey Kathy,

How about we all get together in a meadow at midnight and do a primal scream

together-- that should be cleansing for the mind and soul. Should get rid

of all that accumulated C. Pestis in the system, too. Maybe we could put

Vicki's aunt in the center of the circle and yell at her real loud? And

while we're at it, we'll surround that horribly negligent doctor who failed

to tell you the conclusive results of your CF test 7 years ago, and we'll do

some REALLY vigerous chest PT on him, you know, shake a bit of EMPATHY and

SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY into him!

Well, so you knew you were strong because you do a great job taking care of

Ky, now you're going to get a bit stronger. (Okay, so like life's " learning

experiences " , becoming a super-woman is never fun, but hey, if you ever

decide to run for president of the U.S., you'll have a lot more character

than anyone who's held the position thus far.)

I hope gets over whatever he seems to be coming down with without any

big pulmonary stuff going on. Good luck.

Hugs! (Really, really, really BIG hugs),

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Hey Kathy,

How about we all get together in a meadow at midnight and do a primal scream

together-- that should be cleansing for the mind and soul. Should get rid

of all that accumulated C. Pestis in the system, too. Maybe we could put

Vicki's aunt in the center of the circle and yell at her real loud? And

while we're at it, we'll surround that horribly negligent doctor who failed

to tell you the conclusive results of your CF test 7 years ago, and we'll do

some REALLY vigerous chest PT on him, you know, shake a bit of EMPATHY and

SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY into him!

Well, so you knew you were strong because you do a great job taking care of

Ky, now you're going to get a bit stronger. (Okay, so like life's " learning

experiences " , becoming a super-woman is never fun, but hey, if you ever

decide to run for president of the U.S., you'll have a lot more character

than anyone who's held the position thus far.)

I hope gets over whatever he seems to be coming down with without any

big pulmonary stuff going on. Good luck.

Hugs! (Really, really, really BIG hugs),

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I'm in for a good howling at the moon/aunt/doctor session - and despite

's comments to the contrary, I could get worked enough to rant and

rave at stupid insensitive uncaring people. Well maybe not be as

accomplished at it as some others, well maybe I'd have a hard time finding

just the right angry tone or the right ugly words, but gosh darn it, I

would like to try!! Okay so I'm just a big sucky mediator, but hey, you'll

call me in when you're done raging - won't ya???

And, knows me way too well. When I read Vicki's post about writing

the letter, I experienced a big intake of breath and thought, oh please

send it to me to edit - pathetic I tell ya.

Best wishes for a season of peace - okay one without overt hostility, okay

okay okay at least one without anybody getting maimed,

Moses

At 08:12 PM 09/12/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>

>Hey Kathy,

>

>How about we all get together in a meadow at midnight and do a primal scream

>together-- that should be cleansing for the mind and soul. Should get rid

>of all that accumulated C. Pestis in the system, too. Maybe we could put

>Vicki's aunt in the center of the circle and yell at her real loud? And

>while we're at it, we'll surround that horribly negligent doctor who failed

>to tell you the conclusive results of your CF test 7 years ago, and we'll do

>some REALLY vigerous chest PT on him, you know, shake a bit of EMPATHY and

>SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY into him!

>

>Well, so you knew you were strong because you do a great job taking care of

>Ky, now you're going to get a bit stronger. (Okay, so like life's " learning

>experiences " , becoming a super-woman is never fun, but hey, if you ever

>decide to run for president of the U.S., you'll have a lot more character

>than anyone who's held the position thus far.)

>

>I hope gets over whatever he seems to be coming down with without any

>big pulmonary stuff going on. Good luck.

>

>Hugs! (Really, really, really BIG hugs),

>

>

>

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Kathy,

Can you say lawyer? I would be considering this one. Wow, and someone on

cystic said a mentor told her to remember that 90% of the people are stupid,

many of these somehow managed to get into medical school though.

Take care.

Daelynn

Re: update

>

>

>Hey Kathy,

>

>How about we all get together in a meadow at midnight and do a primal

scream

>together-- that should be cleansing for the mind and soul. Should get rid

>of all that accumulated C. Pestis in the system, too. Maybe we could put

>Vicki's aunt in the center of the circle and yell at her real loud? And

>while we're at it, we'll surround that horribly negligent doctor who failed

>to tell you the conclusive results of your CF test 7 years ago, and we'll

do

>some REALLY vigerous chest PT on him, you know, shake a bit of EMPATHY and

>SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY into him!

>

>Well, so you knew you were strong because you do a great job taking care of

>Ky, now you're going to get a bit stronger. (Okay, so like life's

" learning

>experiences " , becoming a super-woman is never fun, but hey, if you ever

>decide to run for president of the U.S., you'll have a lot more character

>than anyone who's held the position thus far.)

>

>I hope gets over whatever he seems to be coming down with without any

>big pulmonary stuff going on. Good luck.

>

>Hugs! (Really, really, really BIG hugs),

>

>

>

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TREATMENTS.

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>

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Kathy,

Can you say lawyer? I would be considering this one. Wow, and someone on

cystic said a mentor told her to remember that 90% of the people are stupid,

many of these somehow managed to get into medical school though.

Take care.

Daelynn

Re: update

>

>

>Hey Kathy,

>

>How about we all get together in a meadow at midnight and do a primal

scream

>together-- that should be cleansing for the mind and soul. Should get rid

>of all that accumulated C. Pestis in the system, too. Maybe we could put

>Vicki's aunt in the center of the circle and yell at her real loud? And

>while we're at it, we'll surround that horribly negligent doctor who failed

>to tell you the conclusive results of your CF test 7 years ago, and we'll

do

>some REALLY vigerous chest PT on him, you know, shake a bit of EMPATHY and

>SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY into him!

>

>Well, so you knew you were strong because you do a great job taking care of

>Ky, now you're going to get a bit stronger. (Okay, so like life's

" learning

>experiences " , becoming a super-woman is never fun, but hey, if you ever

>decide to run for president of the U.S., you'll have a lot more character

>than anyone who's held the position thus far.)

>

>I hope gets over whatever he seems to be coming down with without any

>big pulmonary stuff going on. Good luck.

>

>Hugs! (Really, really, really BIG hugs),

>

>

>

>>***********************

>This is a secular list.

>***********************

>

>--------------------------------------------------

>The opinions and information exchanged on this list should

>IN NO WAY

>be construed as medical advice.

>

>PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

>--------------------------------------------------

>

>

>

>Come chat at our webpage! http://members.tripod.com/cfparents/

>

>

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>Subscribe: cfparents-subscribeonelist

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Kathy,

You must be one tough lady. Although the CF diagnosis is difficult in

itself, it must be relief to finally be treated properly. I hope that you

are able to take some time to get better. You and your family have my

admiration. I think you should tell your Cf Docs to do home visits as you

can hold own clinic LOL I guess it's also reverse in your family - Kimmie

must end up feeling different! Here's my best wishes for your improved

health and to all staying well.

Hugs,

Mo

At 01:48 PM 10/12/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: Ldybug762@...

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>Hi everyone-

>

>Thanks for all the support. I really appreciate it. I am still not yet

>feeling any better, but as I know with Ky and it seems to take 4-5

>days before feeling much of an improvement.

>

>

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Kathy - I am soooooooo happy that Kimmie is negative for your sake. I don't

know how you do it! I would suggest the lawsuit idea that Kathleen

suggested. I had considered that in the past regarding the undiagnosis of my

daughter, . She went so long without an answer to why she had all

kinds of bowel difficulties. Best of luck to you and your family. Hang in

there! Kathy G.

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Bonnie --

It sounds like you've a great doctor and are taking things in hand! I hope that

your detox is eventually successful enough to allow the occasional garlic

splurge!

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ee,

So glad to hear that is doing better. I think all of us have been

a little worried about you! I think one of the most stressful things

about the early days of Christian's treatment was being so far away from

the dr. I knew if something emergent happened we could go to our local

ER but it was nerve racking knowing I couldn't just bring Christian in

to see Dr. H in event of a problem. Thank goodness nothing too serious

happened in those early days.

Hope YOU feel better soon!

Donna

shawnee wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My stepchildren are here and it is helping somewhat. The fever seems to have

passed, he gave it to me! haha! Ugh, no wonder he acted that way if he felt as

bad as I do. Otherwise, we're getting by, counting off the days. Glad to hear

from Cheryl up at the RMDH, I hope she gets all this over with soon! :) I've

missed her since I came home.

>

> Well, not much to say except I understand wanting to see the hospital and

anestesiologist before teh DAY, I met mine on Friday and tuesday ws the surgery.

>

> gotta go.

> s.

>

>

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ee,

Glad that things are going better. You are all in our prayers...

Blessings,

Pam, Ralph, , and the gang

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My stepchildren are here and it is helping somewhat. The fever

seems to have passed, he gave it to me! haha! Ugh, no wonder he

acted that way if he felt as bad as I do. Otherwise, we're getting

by, counting off the days. Glad to hear from Cheryl up at the RMDH,

I hope she gets all this over with soon! :) I've missed her since I

came home.

> >

> > Well, not much to say except I understand wanting to see the

hospital and anestesiologist before teh DAY, I met mine on Friday and

tuesday ws the surgery.

> >

> > gotta go.

> > s.

> >

> >

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Thanks Debbie

I invited my, (my God almost 18 year old), son to the ultrasound - but he had to

work. Hopefully he can come to next

one at 18 weeks or so. I had an ultrasound with him, he was 20 weeks, and you

could hardly make out anything except

a fuzzy outline and the heart which looked like a jumping frog! This technology

has come a long way. You could

actually make out the hairline - wow!

Take Care

Caroline

Riley wrote:

> Caroline,

>

> So glad things are going so well with you during the pregnancy. I didn't

> have an ultrasound with my first two. It is quite amazing isn't it?! It

> just thrilled my two older daughters to see the pictures. Since they are

> home schooled all my doctors involved them in the education of GD, and my

> pregnancy. Even as far as asking questions before they left the office.

> During one of my last ultra sounds you can see the hairline on the baby. It

> was really neat. Good to hear you can take it easy when you need too.

>

> Sorry to hear your endo is giving you trouble.

>

> Take care of yourself,

>

> Debbie R.

>

> >

> > Reply-To: graves_support

> > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:29:43 +1100

> > To: Graves Group <graves_support >

> > Subject: update

> >

> > Dear All

> >

> > Thought I'd let you know how things are going. I am now just over 14

> > weeks pregnant. I had a nuchal fold ultrasound the other day. This is a

> > screening diagnostic ultrasound which measures the amount of fluid

> > behind the neck of the baby. This measurement is an indicator of the

> > level of risk of chromosomal abnormalities, especially Down's Syndrome.

> > Given my age - 39 - I have a higher risk factor. Having this ultrasound

> > is a completely safe alternative to a CVS or Amniocentesis - which both

> > have high risk of miscarriage. So if the ultrasound indicates all is

> > normal these other tests are not necessary. The ultrasound has a high

> > level of reliability as long as the measurement is taken accurately.

> >

> > We had to have 2 goes at getting an accurate measurement because the

> > baby was not in the right position. He/she was romping around, but would

> > not do a 'half twist' which we needed to get the right view. On the 2nd

> > time we got it and the Dr said all was perfect - great news.

> >

> > My hubby and I were also very excited to see our baby for the first

> > time. It was only 5.5cms (about 2.5 inches), but you could see so much

> > detail - head, body, eyes, mouth, face shape, arms, hands, legs, feet,

> > heart beating, bladder and stomach working, and jumping around - truly

> > amazing.

> >

> > My morning sickness is easing off and I'm still a bit tired. Fortunately

> > my work is flexible, so I'm taking it easy when I need to. My weight

> > actually dropped a bit (2kg) last time I weighed in at the ob/gyn and I

> > don't feel like I've put on too much in the last few weeks. I have a

> > noticeable bump now.

> >

> > My GD is quiet. I have no noticeable problems that I can definitely say

> > is GD. Some pregnancy hormonal stuff of course. My thyroid is still

> > stable. I'm on the same dose of thyroxine as I was just after the

> > surgery and it seems to be agreeing with me - so far. I'm still taking

> > some calcium.

> >

> > I saw my endo last week and left feeling very angry with him - again. He

> > is quite annoying. He had 'forgotten' that I was pregnant, he blamed me

> > for not getting a blood test done just before seeing him - when he had

> > told me to get it done straight after seeing him in December. He was

> > just being a 'pig'. He spent 5 minutes with me, mostly talking about

> > what he had forgotten, and charged me $82 (of which I get about $30

> > back from medicare). I think I might change endo's.

> >

> > It seems that many of you have had to change Drs at least once to get

> > one you feel comfortable with and develop some rapport and trust with. I

> > think they forget sometimes just how much these auto immune diseases and

> > thyroid problems affect our lives and they can be so blasé.

> >

> > All in all - things are good.

> >

> > Take Care All

> >

> > Love

> > Caroline

> >

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------------

> > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> > intended to replace expert medical care.

> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> > ----------------------------------------

> >

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

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Good Grief - how amazing. I scanned my picture and labelled it and then emailed

it to family and friends (my Dad

thought it looked a bit like a weather map - maybe a tornado - hope that isn't

too predictive! - funny also as my

hubby is a meteorologist).

You never know what might happen - my hubby was conceived when his Mum was 48yrs

old and Dad was 60yrs!!! She was

well and both had no problems. It would be a bit difficult though to have to

stay in bed and I can't believe the

cost of the shots you would have to get. That would certainly make for a blessed

and precious baby - in more ways

than one! I don't understand how the insurance would get away with not paying

for something so important to yours

and the baby's health. It sucks!

Cheers

Caroline

Riley wrote:

> Yes, you could see the hairline, it was unbelievable. My husband said, No

> that can't be, but it was. My sons hair was real dark, and don't know if

> that is why it showed up or not. In late '96 and '97 when I had mine, there

> were only two ultrasounds like it in Ohio, $500,000.00 machines they told

> me. You could watch the blood pump through the heart and flow through the

> veins. The even took the measurements and came up with a body weight. They

> measured the torso, arms and legs. They main purpose was to watch the

> thyroid. When I was told the sex, I had people who told me they weren't

> 100%, but when I went in to be induced they had everything for a boy. I

> saved all the ultrasound pictures, don't know if they will last. I was told

> not to copy them on a copy machine. Wonder if you could on a scanner? They

> said the copy machine would ruin them.

>

> Take care and thanks for the update. When I thought I had a blood clot

> yesterday, I joked with my husband, Gosh, maybe I am pregnant. The doctor

> even wondered if I was. LOL! Even though I am 44, I still think about it.

> But, I would have to be on blood thinner shots and stay in bed again! Most

> insurance won't cover the shots, $40,000.00+ worth.

>

> Debbie R.

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Hi Caroline-

I'm so glad things are going so well for you. I'm also interested in the

ultrasound you were talking about. I'm not looking forward to amnio if I

can get pregnant and will ask my doctor about this alternative.

I have to tell you that even though I don't always agree with my endo, he's

a gem. It took me 11 years and an exasperated GP to find him. It might not

have taken so long if I would have known my problems were thyroid-related.

I thought they were autoimmune and that there wasn't anything I could do

about them so I never went hunting for a better doctor.

Anyways, he didn't just look at lab tests when I went to see him. He also

evaluated me and was interested in my history. Maybe your endo was having a

bad day but if that's the way he always is, it can't hurt to try to find a

better one.

Take care,

update

> Dear All

>

> Thought I'd let you know how things are going. I am now just over 14

> weeks pregnant. I had a nuchal fold ultrasound the other day. This is a

> screening diagnostic ultrasound which measures the amount of fluid

> behind the neck of the baby. This measurement is an indicator of the

> level of risk of chromosomal abnormalities, especially Down's Syndrome.

> Given my age - 39 - I have a higher risk factor. Having this ultrasound

> is a completely safe alternative to a CVS or Amniocentesis - which both

> have high risk of miscarriage. So if the ultrasound indicates all is

> normal these other tests are not necessary. The ultrasound has a high

> level of reliability as long as the measurement is taken accurately.

>

> We had to have 2 goes at getting an accurate measurement because the

> baby was not in the right position. He/she was romping around, but would

> not do a 'half twist' which we needed to get the right view. On the 2nd

> time we got it and the Dr said all was perfect - great news.

>

> My hubby and I were also very excited to see our baby for the first

> time. It was only 5.5cms (about 2.5 inches), but you could see so much

> detail - head, body, eyes, mouth, face shape, arms, hands, legs, feet,

> heart beating, bladder and stomach working, and jumping around - truly

> amazing.

>

> My morning sickness is easing off and I'm still a bit tired. Fortunately

> my work is flexible, so I'm taking it easy when I need to. My weight

> actually dropped a bit (2kg) last time I weighed in at the ob/gyn and I

> don't feel like I've put on too much in the last few weeks. I have a

> noticeable bump now.

>

> My GD is quiet. I have no noticeable problems that I can definitely say

> is GD. Some pregnancy hormonal stuff of course. My thyroid is still

> stable. I'm on the same dose of thyroxine as I was just after the

> surgery and it seems to be agreeing with me - so far. I'm still taking

> some calcium.

>

> I saw my endo last week and left feeling very angry with him - again. He

> is quite annoying. He had 'forgotten' that I was pregnant, he blamed me

> for not getting a blood test done just before seeing him - when he had

> told me to get it done straight after seeing him in December. He was

> just being a 'pig'. He spent 5 minutes with me, mostly talking about

> what he had forgotten, and charged me $82 (of which I get about $30

> back from medicare). I think I might change endo's.

>

> It seems that many of you have had to change Drs at least once to get

> one you feel comfortable with and develop some rapport and trust with. I

> think they forget sometimes just how much these auto immune diseases and

> thyroid problems affect our lives and they can be so blasé.

>

> All in all - things are good.

>

> Take Care All

>

> Love

> Caroline

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Caroline,

So glad things are going so well with you during the pregnancy. I didn't

have an ultrasound with my first two. It is quite amazing isn't it?! It

just thrilled my two older daughters to see the pictures. Since they are

home schooled all my doctors involved them in the education of GD, and my

pregnancy. Even as far as asking questions before they left the office.

During one of my last ultra sounds you can see the hairline on the baby. It

was really neat. Good to hear you can take it easy when you need too.

Sorry to hear your endo is giving you trouble.

Take care of yourself,

Debbie R.

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:29:43 +1100

> To: Graves Group <graves_support >

> Subject: update

>

> Dear All

>

> Thought I'd let you know how things are going. I am now just over 14

> weeks pregnant. I had a nuchal fold ultrasound the other day. This is a

> screening diagnostic ultrasound which measures the amount of fluid

> behind the neck of the baby. This measurement is an indicator of the

> level of risk of chromosomal abnormalities, especially Down's Syndrome.

> Given my age - 39 - I have a higher risk factor. Having this ultrasound

> is a completely safe alternative to a CVS or Amniocentesis - which both

> have high risk of miscarriage. So if the ultrasound indicates all is

> normal these other tests are not necessary. The ultrasound has a high

> level of reliability as long as the measurement is taken accurately.

>

> We had to have 2 goes at getting an accurate measurement because the

> baby was not in the right position. He/she was romping around, but would

> not do a 'half twist' which we needed to get the right view. On the 2nd

> time we got it and the Dr said all was perfect - great news.

>

> My hubby and I were also very excited to see our baby for the first

> time. It was only 5.5cms (about 2.5 inches), but you could see so much

> detail - head, body, eyes, mouth, face shape, arms, hands, legs, feet,

> heart beating, bladder and stomach working, and jumping around - truly

> amazing.

>

> My morning sickness is easing off and I'm still a bit tired. Fortunately

> my work is flexible, so I'm taking it easy when I need to. My weight

> actually dropped a bit (2kg) last time I weighed in at the ob/gyn and I

> don't feel like I've put on too much in the last few weeks. I have a

> noticeable bump now.

>

> My GD is quiet. I have no noticeable problems that I can definitely say

> is GD. Some pregnancy hormonal stuff of course. My thyroid is still

> stable. I'm on the same dose of thyroxine as I was just after the

> surgery and it seems to be agreeing with me - so far. I'm still taking

> some calcium.

>

> I saw my endo last week and left feeling very angry with him - again. He

> is quite annoying. He had 'forgotten' that I was pregnant, he blamed me

> for not getting a blood test done just before seeing him - when he had

> told me to get it done straight after seeing him in December. He was

> just being a 'pig'. He spent 5 minutes with me, mostly talking about

> what he had forgotten, and charged me $82 (of which I get about $30

> back from medicare). I think I might change endo's.

>

> It seems that many of you have had to change Drs at least once to get

> one you feel comfortable with and develop some rapport and trust with. I

> think they forget sometimes just how much these auto immune diseases and

> thyroid problems affect our lives and they can be so blasé.

>

> All in all - things are good.

>

> Take Care All

>

> Love

> Caroline

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

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Thanks .

I was wondering how things were going for you. From your other post today it

sounds like some good news on the

fertility front. All the best for the test tomorrow. Hope it is great news for

you.

Love

Caroline

Utecht wrote:

> Hi Caroline-

>

> I'm so glad things are going so well for you. I'm also interested in the

> ultrasound you were talking about. I'm not looking forward to amnio if I

> can get pregnant and will ask my doctor about this alternative.

>

> I have to tell you that even though I don't always agree with my endo, he's

> a gem. It took me 11 years and an exasperated GP to find him. It might not

> have taken so long if I would have known my problems were thyroid-related.

> I thought they were autoimmune and that there wasn't anything I could do

> about them so I never went hunting for a better doctor.

>

> Anyways, he didn't just look at lab tests when I went to see him. He also

> evaluated me and was interested in my history. Maybe your endo was having a

> bad day but if that's the way he always is, it can't hurt to try to find a

> better one.

>

> Take care,

>

>

> update

>

> > Dear All

> >

> > Thought I'd let you know how things are going. I am now just over 14

> > weeks pregnant. I had a nuchal fold ultrasound the other day. This is a

> > screening diagnostic ultrasound which measures the amount of fluid

> > behind the neck of the baby. This measurement is an indicator of the

> > level of risk of chromosomal abnormalities, especially Down's Syndrome.

> > Given my age - 39 - I have a higher risk factor. Having this ultrasound

> > is a completely safe alternative to a CVS or Amniocentesis - which both

> > have high risk of miscarriage. So if the ultrasound indicates all is

> > normal these other tests are not necessary. The ultrasound has a high

> > level of reliability as long as the measurement is taken accurately.

> >

> > We had to have 2 goes at getting an accurate measurement because the

> > baby was not in the right position. He/she was romping around, but would

> > not do a 'half twist' which we needed to get the right view. On the 2nd

> > time we got it and the Dr said all was perfect - great news.

> >

> > My hubby and I were also very excited to see our baby for the first

> > time. It was only 5.5cms (about 2.5 inches), but you could see so much

> > detail - head, body, eyes, mouth, face shape, arms, hands, legs, feet,

> > heart beating, bladder and stomach working, and jumping around - truly

> > amazing.

> >

> > My morning sickness is easing off and I'm still a bit tired. Fortunately

> > my work is flexible, so I'm taking it easy when I need to. My weight

> > actually dropped a bit (2kg) last time I weighed in at the ob/gyn and I

> > don't feel like I've put on too much in the last few weeks. I have a

> > noticeable bump now.

> >

> > My GD is quiet. I have no noticeable problems that I can definitely say

> > is GD. Some pregnancy hormonal stuff of course. My thyroid is still

> > stable. I'm on the same dose of thyroxine as I was just after the

> > surgery and it seems to be agreeing with me - so far. I'm still taking

> > some calcium.

> >

> > I saw my endo last week and left feeling very angry with him - again. He

> > is quite annoying. He had 'forgotten' that I was pregnant, he blamed me

> > for not getting a blood test done just before seeing him - when he had

> > told me to get it done straight after seeing him in December. He was

> > just being a 'pig'. He spent 5 minutes with me, mostly talking about

> > what he had forgotten, and charged me $82 (of which I get about $30

> > back from medicare). I think I might change endo's.

> >

> > It seems that many of you have had to change Drs at least once to get

> > one you feel comfortable with and develop some rapport and trust with. I

> > think they forget sometimes just how much these auto immune diseases and

> > thyroid problems affect our lives and they can be so blasé.

> >

> > All in all - things are good.

> >

> > Take Care All

> >

> > Love

> > Caroline

>

>

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intended to replace expert medical care.

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Hi Debbie

What a nightmare those insurance companies are. The system here in Australia is

a bit less complicated and I hope it

stays that way (probably won't).

Your girls must adore their little brother. He was truly meant to be here.

You made me laugh heaps about your husband. Who needs half a head of hair

anyway!!!! Might as well go all the way

(he he he).

Cheers

Caroline

Riley wrote:

> At the time I was pregnant, we had changed insurance not knowing I was

> pregnant. In the state of Ohio at the time there was a law that if you were

> pregnant when the baby was born they of course had to be covered by

> insurance. Our new insurance cancelled because of the pregnancy and me

> ending up in the hospital with the blood clot. We had no insurance, but I

> was told there are insurances that won't cover the medication. It came from

> France Lovenox (not sure on spelling), I was allergic to heparin. Yep, 6

> shots a day in my stomach, my husband loved it. LOL! He gave them to me and

> they burned. My stomach was all black and blue, my ob/gyn would rub and

> smile! He felt as close to helping our miracle be born as we did. We did

> find an insurance 10 days before I delivered, no pre-condition clause and

> they paid for some of the delivery. But, the blood thinner was shipped

> directly to me from Home health supply from the hospital. So I took the

> medication to the hospital with me. So I don't know if that company would

> have covered it. My husband went to work part time for a printing company

> and we paid for that insurance. The hospital and home health company worked

> out an agreement, we paid a certain amount and the hospital paid for some

> since we had over a $45,000.00 drug bill.

>

> And yes he was a precious and blessed gift to all of us. And with two

> sister that are almost 13 and 15 yrs. old, he is quite the character. Not

> day goes by he don't make you smile.

>

> That is funny about your Dad. Wait until I tell my husband about your

> in-laws, I'll tell him it isn't too late. He already only has half a head

> of hair. LOL!

>

> Debbie

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Yes, you could see the hairline, it was unbelievable. My husband said, No

that can't be, but it was. My sons hair was real dark, and don't know if

that is why it showed up or not. In late '96 and '97 when I had mine, there

were only two ultrasounds like it in Ohio, $500,000.00 machines they told

me. You could watch the blood pump through the heart and flow through the

veins. The even took the measurements and came up with a body weight. They

measured the torso, arms and legs. They main purpose was to watch the

thyroid. When I was told the sex, I had people who told me they weren't

100%, but when I went in to be induced they had everything for a boy. I

saved all the ultrasound pictures, don't know if they will last. I was told

not to copy them on a copy machine. Wonder if you could on a scanner? They

said the copy machine would ruin them.

Take care and thanks for the update. When I thought I had a blood clot

yesterday, I joked with my husband, Gosh, maybe I am pregnant. The doctor

even wondered if I was. LOL! Even though I am 44, I still think about it.

But, I would have to be on blood thinner shots and stay in bed again! Most

insurance won't cover the shots, $40,000.00+ worth.

Debbie R.

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:50:58 +1100

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: update

>

> Thanks Debbie

>

> I invited my, (my God almost 18 year old), son to the ultrasound - but he had

> to work. Hopefully he can come to next

> one at 18 weeks or so. I had an ultrasound with him, he was 20 weeks, and you

> could hardly make out anything except

> a fuzzy outline and the heart which looked like a jumping frog! This

> technology has come a long way. You could

> actually make out the hairline - wow!

>

> Take Care

> Caroline

>

> Riley wrote:

>

>> Caroline,

>>

>> So glad things are going so well with you during the pregnancy. I didn't

>> have an ultrasound with my first two. It is quite amazing isn't it?! It

>> just thrilled my two older daughters to see the pictures. Since they are

>> home schooled all my doctors involved them in the education of GD, and my

>> pregnancy. Even as far as asking questions before they left the office.

>> During one of my last ultra sounds you can see the hairline on the baby. It

>> was really neat. Good to hear you can take it easy when you need too.

>>

>> Sorry to hear your endo is giving you trouble.

>>

>> Take care of yourself,

>>

>> Debbie R.

>>

>>>

>>> Reply-To: graves_support

>>> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:29:43 +1100

>>> To: Graves Group <graves_support >

>>> Subject: update

>>>

>>> Dear All

>>>

>>> Thought I'd let you know how things are going. I am now just over 14

>>> weeks pregnant. I had a nuchal fold ultrasound the other day. This is a

>>> screening diagnostic ultrasound which measures the amount of fluid

>>> behind the neck of the baby. This measurement is an indicator of the

>>> level of risk of chromosomal abnormalities, especially Down's Syndrome.

>>> Given my age - 39 - I have a higher risk factor. Having this ultrasound

>>> is a completely safe alternative to a CVS or Amniocentesis - which both

>>> have high risk of miscarriage. So if the ultrasound indicates all is

>>> normal these other tests are not necessary. The ultrasound has a high

>>> level of reliability as long as the measurement is taken accurately.

>>>

>>> We had to have 2 goes at getting an accurate measurement because the

>>> baby was not in the right position. He/she was romping around, but would

>>> not do a 'half twist' which we needed to get the right view. On the 2nd

>>> time we got it and the Dr said all was perfect - great news.

>>>

>>> My hubby and I were also very excited to see our baby for the first

>>> time. It was only 5.5cms (about 2.5 inches), but you could see so much

>>> detail - head, body, eyes, mouth, face shape, arms, hands, legs, feet,

>>> heart beating, bladder and stomach working, and jumping around - truly

>>> amazing.

>>>

>>> My morning sickness is easing off and I'm still a bit tired. Fortunately

>>> my work is flexible, so I'm taking it easy when I need to. My weight

>>> actually dropped a bit (2kg) last time I weighed in at the ob/gyn and I

>>> don't feel like I've put on too much in the last few weeks. I have a

>>> noticeable bump now.

>>>

>>> My GD is quiet. I have no noticeable problems that I can definitely say

>>> is GD. Some pregnancy hormonal stuff of course. My thyroid is still

>>> stable. I'm on the same dose of thyroxine as I was just after the

>>> surgery and it seems to be agreeing with me - so far. I'm still taking

>>> some calcium.

>>>

>>> I saw my endo last week and left feeling very angry with him - again. He

>>> is quite annoying. He had 'forgotten' that I was pregnant, he blamed me

>>> for not getting a blood test done just before seeing him - when he had

>>> told me to get it done straight after seeing him in December. He was

>>> just being a 'pig'. He spent 5 minutes with me, mostly talking about

>>> what he had forgotten, and charged me $82 (of which I get about $30

>>> back from medicare). I think I might change endo's.

>>>

>>> It seems that many of you have had to change Drs at least once to get

>>> one you feel comfortable with and develop some rapport and trust with. I

>>> think they forget sometimes just how much these auto immune diseases and

>>> thyroid problems affect our lives and they can be so blasé.

>>>

>>> All in all - things are good.

>>>

>>> Take Care All

>>>

>>> Love

>>> Caroline

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -------------------------------------

>>> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

>>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>>> ----------------------------------------

>>>

>>

>>

>> -------------------------------------

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>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>> ----------------------------------------

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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Hi Caroline,

Thank you for the update, I think in some ways this baby of yours belongs to

all of us a bit as we all wish and pray for all the successes you are

gaining. Only 26 more weeks and that little one will arrive! Boy time is

going fast (for me...but then I'm not the one preggers :)

As for your endo, hmmmm forgetting things eh? Maybe a 'graves moment'?

Stranger things have happened...I don't blame you for switching though.

Find one that will give you the support you need and not attitude.

Take care and *HUGZ* for you all.

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At the time I was pregnant, we had changed insurance not knowing I was

pregnant. In the state of Ohio at the time there was a law that if you were

pregnant when the baby was born they of course had to be covered by

insurance. Our new insurance cancelled because of the pregnancy and me

ending up in the hospital with the blood clot. We had no insurance, but I

was told there are insurances that won't cover the medication. It came from

France Lovenox (not sure on spelling), I was allergic to heparin. Yep, 6

shots a day in my stomach, my husband loved it. LOL! He gave them to me and

they burned. My stomach was all black and blue, my ob/gyn would rub and

smile! He felt as close to helping our miracle be born as we did. We did

find an insurance 10 days before I delivered, no pre-condition clause and

they paid for some of the delivery. But, the blood thinner was shipped

directly to me from Home health supply from the hospital. So I took the

medication to the hospital with me. So I don't know if that company would

have covered it. My husband went to work part time for a printing company

and we paid for that insurance. The hospital and home health company worked

out an agreement, we paid a certain amount and the hospital paid for some

since we had over a $45,000.00 drug bill.

And yes he was a precious and blessed gift to all of us. And with two

sister that are almost 13 and 15 yrs. old, he is quite the character. Not

day goes by he don't make you smile.

That is funny about your Dad. Wait until I tell my husband about your

in-laws, I'll tell him it isn't too late. He already only has half a head

of hair. LOL!

Debbie

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:38:47 +1100

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: update

>

> Good Grief - how amazing. I scanned my picture and labelled it and then

> emailed it to family and friends (my Dad

> thought it looked a bit like a weather map - maybe a tornado - hope that isn't

> too predictive! - funny also as my

> hubby is a meteorologist).

>

> You never know what might happen - my hubby was conceived when his Mum was

> 48yrs old and Dad was 60yrs!!! She was

> well and both had no problems. It would be a bit difficult though to have to

> stay in bed and I can't believe the

> cost of the shots you would have to get. That would certainly make for a

> blessed and precious baby - in more ways

> than one! I don't understand how the insurance would get away with not paying

> for something so important to yours

> and the baby's health. It sucks!

>

> Cheers

> Caroline

>

> Riley wrote:

>

>> Yes, you could see the hairline, it was unbelievable. My husband said, No

>> that can't be, but it was. My sons hair was real dark, and don't know if

>> that is why it showed up or not. In late '96 and '97 when I had mine, there

>> were only two ultrasounds like it in Ohio, $500,000.00 machines they told

>> me. You could watch the blood pump through the heart and flow through the

>> veins. The even took the measurements and came up with a body weight. They

>> measured the torso, arms and legs. They main purpose was to watch the

>> thyroid. When I was told the sex, I had people who told me they weren't

>> 100%, but when I went in to be induced they had everything for a boy. I

>> saved all the ultrasound pictures, don't know if they will last. I was told

>> not to copy them on a copy machine. Wonder if you could on a scanner? They

>> said the copy machine would ruin them.

>>

>> Take care and thanks for the update. When I thought I had a blood clot

>> yesterday, I joked with my husband, Gosh, maybe I am pregnant. The doctor

>> even wondered if I was. LOL! Even though I am 44, I still think about it.

>> But, I would have to be on blood thinner shots and stay in bed again! Most

>> insurance won't cover the shots, $40,000.00+ worth.

>>

>> Debbie R.

>

>

>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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Thanks Jody

Wow - 'Aunties and Uncles' all over the world - what a blessed baby I'm having.

I can't imagine how I'd feel without

all you guys out there - very lonely and scared is my guess.

Maybe your right about the endo - was it 's Dr who now has GD?

I'll probably see him again in a few weeks and give him another chance. I

thought I'd tell him how it feels for me -

we'll see what happens!

Cheers

Caroline

Jody Spitale wrote:

> Hi Caroline,

> Thank you for the update, I think in some ways this baby of yours belongs to

> all of us a bit as we all wish and pray for all the successes you are

> gaining. Only 26 more weeks and that little one will arrive! Boy time is

> going fast (for me...but then I'm not the one preggers :)

>

> As for your endo, hmmmm forgetting things eh? Maybe a 'graves moment'?

> Stranger things have happened...I don't blame you for switching though.

> Find one that will give you the support you need and not attitude.

>

> Take care and *HUGZ* for you all.

> Jody

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Cliff this is great! My guess is they will probably continue the

chemo so long as the mets continue shrinking, then maybe they will do

another round of stereotactic on whatever's left. But I'm so happy

to hear things are going so well for you!

WRT Bioperine - this is also called PIPERINE (do a Google search!)

and what it does is increase the blood

levels/absorption " bioavailability " ) of

various drugs and natural substances it is administered with, along

with apparently being able to slow the elimination of these things

from the system, e.g. see

http://www.bioperine.com/Manual/ClinicalStudies1.htm

[start snip]

Most drugs co-administered with piperine are rendered more

bioavailable by a combination of these mechanisms. This would

involve, for example, increased absorption from the gut, coupled with

a slowing of biotransformation, inactivation and elimination from the

system. The slowing of biotransformation is probably the most

important mechanism for sustaining the elevated blood levels of drugs

and making them more bioavailable to the various tissues. Rapid

absorption into the blood may account for increased blood levels of a

drug. This along with the inhibition of drug biotransforming enzymes,

ultimately causes a drug to stay in the body longer and in higher

quantities, thereby enhancing its effectiveness. Based on available

data, piperine in a daily dose of 20 mg per person operates via

inhibiting enzymes that would otherwise biotransform and rapidly

eliminate the drug

[end snip]

Mixing Piperine with cancer drugs could be VERY dangerous as you

could theoretically DOUBLE the absorption and DELAY the elimination

and I don't think you need a MD degree to figure out that could alter

the side effects in a BAD BAD way - DON'T DO IT!!!

Regarding Curcumin WITHOUT piperine and chemotherapy interaction, the

only reference I have seen is the following from LEF

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-024.shtml

[start snip]

As far as curcumin being taken at the same time as chemotherapy

drugs, there are contradictions in the scientific literature. Some

studies indicate significant benefit, whereas other studies hint at

reduced benefit or even potential toxicity. One study involving

curcumin concomitant use with the chemotherapy drug Irinotecan

indicated potential toxicity. Therefore, Life Extension recommends

that curcumin not be taken in combination with this drug. Irinotecan

is also known by the names Camptosar and CPT-11. Irinotecan is mostly

administered for colon cancer.

Chemotherapy drugs are highly toxic in of themselves. Whether high-

dose curcumin is beneficial or detrimental depends on the type and

dose of the chemotherapeutic drug used, the kind of cancer cell being

attacked, and the dose of the curcumin. Until more definitive

information is published, we prefer to err on the side of caution and

recommend that chemotherapy patients wait 4 weeks after their last

dose of chemotherapy before taking high-doses of curcumin.

[end snip]

Now I think they are talking about ALL CURCUMIN, NOT JUST THE

CURCUMIN WITH BIOPERINE THEY SELL!!! LEF is the only company I know

of which even SELLS Curcumin + Bioperine, so I SERIOUSLY DOUBT any

studies regarding Curcumin/Camptosar interaction would have been done

on the COMBINATION of Curcumin + Bioperine + Camptosar. What they are

referring to HAD to have been on Camptosar + Curcumin alone. The

bioperine of course is totally out of the question, there is NO WAY

you should take this stuff if you're on chemo!!! The Curcumin looks

a bit more tricky according to LEF. I am not sure what " scientific

literature " the LEF is referring to because I can't find anything

doing a Pubmed search on " Curcumin Camptosar " " Curcumin CPT11 "

or " Curcumin Irinotecan " . I also looked on HerbMed which seems

pretty complete and didn't see anything OBVIOUS - but I could have

overlooked something - take a look for yourself

http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb9.htm#Category5Herb9

I guess the only way you can find out exactly what LEF is talking

about is to e-mail/call them and ask what these references are!

But please be careful Cliff - if your treatment is WORKING why fix

something that ain't broke? Maybe best to leave it be....go on the

Curcumin AFTER your treatment is finished!

If you REALLY want to add in something else SIMILAR TO CURCUMIN to

the mix, I would recommend discussing CELEBREX with your oncologist.

If you have been following the Experimental board, you know they have

reported some good results mixing Celebrex with Xeloda (and I know

they are also running trials mixing Celebrex with " the triplet " , so

they must not believe Celebrex increases Camptosar toxicity). If you

are going to an oncologist at a major cancer center, he/she should be

well aware of these new studies reported on at ASCO last week - talk

with him/her about it!!! ALSO, PLEASE ASK YOUR ONCOLOGIST about the

Curcumin, not just the health food store because the people that work

in health food stores DO NOT have medical training and PROBABLY DON'T

know anything about any of this! I have been in health food stores

where the employees were either in or straight out of high school and

knew so little about ANYTHING they sell I wondered how they could

even work there! They'll just say " Well, I never heard of any

interactions with cancer drugs " because of course they haven't

studied the issue and want to sell stuff, but if something goes wrong

they'll deny having ever said anything! So PLEASE be careful....

Best Wishes,

> Hi They decided to do another cycle of the triplet and then

another

> spiral scan on July 1st. My CEA has dropped 30 % since my levels

and CT

> scan were taken @ Roswell on February 20th. The recent spiral scan

has

> my one lung met at 8 mm which was previously 1.5 cm or 15 mm from

the

> Roswell CT scan. Almost a fifty percent reduction. Started the low

dose

> naltrexone on April 15th along with a lot of supplements. The Super

> curcumin that I purchased from lef.org contains bioperine and the

bottle

> states ... warning .. do not take with anticancer drugs. Will check

with

> the local health food store if curcumin by itself is alright. I

have not

> had any side effects since the first cycle of the triplet. Feel

good and

> wish everyone out there ... good health ! ! Take care and God bless.

> Cliff . . . . . " Carpe Diem. Seize the day. Carpe momentum. Seize

the

> moment. Do it. And you're well on the road to

success. " . . . . . "

> Our greatest glory is not in never falling. But in rising every

time we

> fall. " . . . . Confucius . . . . " ALL things are possible. Pass

it

> on. "

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thats great news Cliff... I am so glad for you and your family. It isn't easy...

but you are doing it!!!! Keep up the good work !!!

a

cliffmas@... wrote:Got the results back from my recent spiral scan. The

largest met which

was 4 CM is now 2 CM. My CEA level was 60.4 on 6/17 is now 28.5 after 8

weeks of treatment. They told me that I am doing great and started

another cycle of the Xeloda/Celebrex along with my alt stuff today. Here

is their findings ... two out of three look good .. 1. Nodularity in

the lungs as noted above. These are more in favor of representing

peripheral portions of the vessels as compared to true nodular densities

although neoplastic disease cannot be totally excluded. The nodular

density seen in the left lung base on the prior CT of the abdomen of

July 02 is not seen on today's study. .. 2. Overall improvement of

heptatic lesions when compared to the prior study. ... 3. ( sigh )

Suggestion of mesenteric lymph node in the left mid quadrant, versus

bowel loop. On a prior page ... There is a low density area which

appears to be within the bowel loop in the left mid quadrant at the

level of the left renal artery. This however is larger than on the prior

exam. While this has the appearance of bowel, the possibility of other

processes, including neoplastic process cannot be excluded. A lymph node

in this area is a consideration.This measures up to 3 CM . I will find

out what all this means next Monday. Take care and God bless. Cliff . .

.. " Be ready when opportunity comes. ... Luck is the time when

preparation and opportunity meet. " . . Roy Chalin, Jr . . . . " ALL

things are possible. Pass it on. "

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Hi Cliff,

Hang in there man....overall I think this is a very positive report!

A lung met DISAPPEARED and a liver met shrunk 50%, you ARE doing

great!!! Regarding #3, keep in mind the part that says " While this

has the appearance of bowel " . That means they DON'T KNOW what they

are looking at and it very well could be normal bowel!!! CT scans

are notoriously inaccurate and difficult to interpret. Don't assume

the worst here!

I heard the results of my own CT on Friday. According to the

radiologists written report, there are 2 NEW METS in my liver!!! But

when the surgeon took a closer look at the scans, compared them to

previous ones, etc., he concluded (Monday) that at least one and

probably both " new mets " are really cysts! Now I've been thru this

before - the first time shortly after diagnosis when they claimed I

was inoperable due to " mets on both lobes of the liver " , half of

which turned out to be cysts on closer inspection. So remember

there can be a LOT of error in these " reports " - and don't believe

everything you read ! (PLUS, I think with CT, questionable stuff

outside the liver is even harder to interpret than that inside the

liver!)

Best Wishes,

PS Thanks for posting the Anticoagulant/Vitamin interaction stuff!

> Got the results back from my recent spiral scan. The largest met

which

> was 4 CM is now 2 CM. My CEA level was 60.4 on 6/17 is now 28.5

after 8

> weeks of treatment. They told me that I am doing great and started

> another cycle of the Xeloda/Celebrex along with my alt stuff today.

Here

> is their findings ... two out of three look good .. 1. Nodularity

in

> the lungs as noted above. These are more in favor of representing

> peripheral portions of the vessels as compared to true nodular

densities

> although neoplastic disease cannot be totally excluded. The nodular

> density seen in the left lung base on the prior CT of the abdomen of

> July 02 is not seen on today's study. .. 2. Overall improvement of

> heptatic lesions when compared to the prior study. ... 3. ( sigh )

> Suggestion of mesenteric lymph node in the left mid quadrant, versus

> bowel loop. On a prior page ... There is a low density area which

> appears to be within the bowel loop in the left mid quadrant at the

> level of the left renal artery. This however is larger than on the

prior

> exam. While this has the appearance of bowel, the possibility of

other

> processes, including neoplastic process cannot be excluded. A lymph

node

> in this area is a consideration.This measures up to 3 CM . I will

find

> out what all this means next Monday. Take care and God bless.

Cliff . .

> . " Be ready when opportunity comes. ... Luck is the time when

> preparation and opportunity meet. " . . Roy Chalin, Jr . . . . "

ALL

> things are possible. Pass it on. "

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