Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Hi , Please do not take my responses as agrumentative as they are not meant that way. Clay whatever it does can help with general detox and if it helps people feel better that is good. Without some adequate testing though, to rely on it to move or chelate Hg would [imo] be a mistake when we know DMSA, DMPS & ALA do chelate Hg . > > > > Hi , > > > > Clay baths do not chelate Hg. If you were doing warm full body > > baths where you were sweating the sweating would remove some, but > how > > much is unknown. There is no scientific information that I know > of > > that shows clay baths chelate metals. They do work well for > general > > detox which does help people. Regular Sauna and sweating do remove > > Hg. > > AC---There was no sweating involved. It was a footbath. > > > > > TK--- Why do you think it is moving metal and just not detoxing ? > > AC--- Because of the reaction after taking a chelating agent. It > appears that metal has been moved or stirred up and is > more " available " . I never got a bad reaction unless the bath is > followed by chelation. TK--- The movement of Hg is possible. Many things especially detox techniques can move Hg around without chelating. > > > > > TK--- Cilantro is contraindicated for reasons which have been > > discussed here many times. Unless you want to make yourself worse. > > Informatiion on this is in the archives on the A & M forum and the > Andy > > index. Please please do yourself a favor and read them. > > AC---I have gleaned over nearly 12000 messages. This occurred before > I ever heard of Andy Cutler or the group. This is history and > mentioned because of its relevance to the clay footbaths. TK--- Ok, I don't understand the relevance because the reaction could have been from just the cilantro [maybe how I am reading it] but that is not what is important. I also didn't mean to imply you hadn't done any research, it just sounded the way I read it that you might be considering more in the future. > > > > TK--- DMSA chelates extracellular Hg from all over the body but > does > > not pass the BBB to any extent if at all. > > AC---I feel the reaction supports that. Some believe that DMSA does > enter the brain. I mention this to support the view that it does not. > > > > > I don't like to experiment on my body and don't intend to do this > > > again, but it all seems to confirm what these chelators are doing > > and > > > underscores the effectiveness of bentonite clay. > > > > TK--- For general detox. > > AC---The marketers of LL's Magnetic Clay claim it draws mercury out > through the skin and the dark sediment is evidence. TK--- Unless they have verified testing this is just an unsubstantiated claim. Testing would be easy to do and if it hasn't been done and verified well - ? Kind of Like Carlson's who state one thing on their CLO product and advertisements as far as testing but the actual testing says otherwise. I don't know if > its true or not but I always have plenty of dark sediment. In any > case it works through electronic attraction due to the large > negatively charged surface area, not a chelation mechanism. This > posting is meant to provide some evidence that the clay is having an > impact on mercury, not just general detox. TK--- The reaction when doing both could be just a larger toxic load on the liver & body causing a reaction when you do both and not the clay having an impact on moving or chelating Hg as they claim at all. > > > > > Another point - I recently did a urine DMSA challenge that showed > > > a " below detectable limit " of mercury. > > > > TK--- Was this a 24 hour test during a round or the more common > large > > dose 6 hr collection ? > > Challenge tests are uninformative [contraindicated] and often > show > > no Hg when in fact there is. Since your body does not release Hg at > > the same rate or time these tests frequently show results which are > > not accurite. > > The 24 hr collection taken at the end of the second or third day > > during a round can show some useful information. > > AC---It was a 12 hour test after 2 500 mg doses of DMSA, six hours > apart per my doctor's protocol. TK--- This type of challenge test will redistribute more Hg and not be very informative. The 24hr collection during an oral chelation round is much safer and more informative. > > > > So how do I know it is safe to begin using ALA? > > > > > > TK--- Guidlines are three months or more after amalgam removal > > preferably using DMSA or DMPS oraly during this time to reduce fast > > pools. > > I am currently in my 2nd month since final removal of previously > undetected amalgam under a crown. > > C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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