Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, arjay <arjay@...> writes >Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is happening if the joints are >not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not taking predisone or any >NSAID. > That is what we would like to believe. That is to say, we think that bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. However, this is unproven. ------- Regards, Dr Graham Chiu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Hi, If bone erosion is a product of inflammation does it then follow that if I keep down the inflammation I am reducing the bone erosion? And, if that is the case, should I be looking at anti-inflammatory drugs as not just something to reduce the pain / discomfort but also something that will reduce the bone erosion? The reason I ask this is because I have been gradually reducing the anti-inflammatory drug I take to find the lowest dose that will leave me with acceptable pain and discomfort. Mike Botswana Re: rheumatic joint erosion >From: Dr Graham Chiu <anon_emouse@...> > >In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, arjay ><arjay@...> writes >>Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is happening if the joints are >>not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not taking predisone or any >>NSAID. >> > >That is what we would like to believe. That is to say, we think that >bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. However, this is >unproven. > >------- >Regards, Dr Graham Chiu > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Hi Mike, Are you on 'conventional' anti inflammatories? Just wondering why you want to come off them. I have managed to come off Oruvail in favour of natural stuff (my inflammation is now under control) which is good to take as an ongoing thing anyway. It will be interesting to hear the answer regarding your query on bone erosion, that's one we're all anxious about:-) hugs, lisbeth Re: rheumatic joint erosion > > >>From: Dr Graham Chiu <anon_emouse@...> >> >>In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, arjay >><arjay@...> writes >>>Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is happening if the joints are >>>not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not taking predisone or any >>>NSAID. >>> >> >>That is what we would like to believe. That is to say, we think that >>bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. However, this is >>unproven. >> >>------- >>Regards, Dr Graham Chiu >> >>> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Hi Group, In reference to the bone erosion question. Every rheumy that I have seen over the last 3 years (about 5 different ones) has stressed the importance of " subduing " the inflamation/heat in my knees and wrists because the inflamation is wearing down my joints/bones. Thats why a couple of rheumies have pooh poohed AP because they told me that if I didn't get the inflamation under control then I would ultimately end up with deteriorated/useless joints even if I was able to get the RA " out " of my system, my joints would be useless. I have never had the inflamation under control because I have been trying to minimize drug use while on AP and consequently I am absolutely sure that I have permanent joint/bone damage. In fact, recent x-rays show no cartiledge left in my wrists. Is this the kind of " bone " damage you are refering to??? Regards, Amy --- Lisbeth <lisbeth@...> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Are you on 'conventional' anti inflammatories? Just > wondering why you want > to come off them. I have managed to come off Oruvail > in favour of natural > stuff (my inflammation is now under control) which > is good to take as an > ongoing thing anyway. > > It will be interesting to hear the answer regarding > your query on bone > erosion, that's one we're all anxious about:-) > > hugs, > lisbeth > > > Re: rheumatic joint erosion > > > > > >>From: Dr Graham Chiu <anon_emouse@...> > >> > >>In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, > arjay > >><arjay@...> writes > >>>Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is > happening if the joints are > >>>not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not > taking predisone or any > >>>NSAID. > >>> > >> > >>That is what we would like to believe. That is to > say, we think that > >>bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. > However, this is > >>unproven. > >> > >>------- > >>Regards, Dr Graham Chiu > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > <HR> <html> > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 I have read that use of NSAIDs may actually accelerate bone loss! Damned if you do... -Mike- Re: rheumatic joint erosion >From: Dr Graham Chiu <anon_emouse@...> > >In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, arjay ><arjay@...> writes >>Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is happening if the joints are >>not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not taking predisone or any >>NSAID. >> > >That is what we would like to believe. That is to say, we think that >bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. However, this is >unproven. > >------- >Regards, Dr Graham Chiu > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 Hi everyone: Two weeks ago I had xray taken of my hands and there is no joint/bone damage although my hands and wrists have been inflammed for quite a long time. Mado Re: rheumatic joint erosion >> > >> > >> >>From: Dr Graham Chiu <anon_emouse@...> >> >> >> >>In article <384D92FD.1089EEE9@...>, >> arjay >> >><arjay@...> writes >> >>>Am I correct in thinking no joint erosion is >> happening if the joints are >> >>>not swollen, sore, stiff or hot and I'm not >> taking predisone or any >> >>>NSAID. >> >>> >> >> >> >>That is what we would like to believe. That is to >> say, we think that >> >>bone erosion is a product of joint inflammation. >> However, this is >> >>unproven. >> >> >> >>------- >> >>Regards, Dr Graham Chiu >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ><HR> ><html> >> > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 In article <000101bf4175$15752100$14a59bdaroom_21 (DOT) gov.bw>, Mike Guinney <mguinney@...> writes >If bone erosion is a product of inflammation does it then follow that if I >keep down the inflammation I am reducing the bone erosion? And, if that is >the case, should I be looking at anti-inflammatory drugs as not just As I said, no one really knows. For example, some patients with chronic inflammation do not ever erode, patients with lupus arthritis traditionally do not erode, and sometimes patients you think are well controlled keep eroding. ------- Regards, Dr Graham Chiu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 > From: " mahay " <mahay@...> > > Hi everyone: > > Two weeks ago I had xray taken of my hands and there is no joint/bone damage > although my hands and wrists have been inflammed for quite a long time. > > Mado I've wanted to send along a bit of information regarding joint erosion. Now is the time, I guess. I have had gradual joint erosion for about 25 yrs with some form of undiagnosable arthritis. Four years ago I developed a classic case of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which seems to have mycoplasma incognitus as a major factor. I have recovered a great deal on Zithromax for over 3 yrs. However, the latest finding in my case is low, very low, levels of human growth hormone. I now inject hGH every day and have been on this for 6 months along with the Zithromax. For three or four months my joints hurt worse than they ever have. But gradually they are not hurting as much and seem to be stronger. My doctor tells me the hGH will help them to heal and recover to like they were when I was well and in my twenties. If any of you want to be tested for growth hormone it is not too difficult. Call around your local area endocrinologists and ask the office if the doctor treats ADULTS who have growth hormone deficiences. When you find one, make an apointment to get tested. The doctor will do the rest. If you don't have health insurance you will probably be wasting your time, sad to say. The hGH is very expensive. I hope this information will be helpful to someone on this list. a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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