Re: FW: [paracelsus] fwd: Doctors' group issues guidelines on antibiotics

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

That's an excellent article. My son has never taken antibiotics in his life

precisely because all of the infections he's had are viral. You wouldn't

believe the problem we have with our friends who want my husband to

prescribe antibiotics for every little cold they have. He can usually

deflect them by saying that most infections are viral and his kid has never

been on antibiotics so why would he prescribe something for someone that he

wouldn't use on his own child. It's so funny, most people look at us like

we're child-abusers when we tell them our son has never been on antibiotics

(he's 5).

This overuse of antibiotics is responsible for all the resistant bacteria

we're now seeing. The bacteria have been able to evolve to withstand

antibiotic assaults. Unfortunately, people don't evolve as quickly as

bacteria and add that to not having the opportunity to develop immunity to

these bacteria (because the immune system doesn't have a chance to mount an

attack when antibiotics are used) and it's a recipe for eventual disaster.

Take care,

Fwd: [paracelsus] fwd: Doctors' group issues guidelines on

> antibiotics

>

>

>

> Doctors' group issues guidelines on antibiotics

>

> March 19, 2001

>

> By Christy

> CNN Medical Unit

>

> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Antibiotics are not needed for treatment of most upper

> respiratory infections, such as sore throats, bronchitis, and most sinus

> infections, according to guidelines published Monday by a doctors' group.

>

> They were released by the American College of Physicians-American Society

> of Internal Medicine.

>

> The internists' group said such infections are usually caused not by

> bacteria but by viruses, against which antibiotics are ineffective.

>

> " Doctors have always been taught that if you have yellow or green nasal

> secretions, you need an antibiotic, but that's not the case, " said Dr.

> Fryhofer, president of the society. " The yellow or green nasal

> secretions or secretions from a cough can be caused by viruses as well. "

> The group's guidelines come as concern grows among public health officials

> about antibiotic resistance. The more bacteria are exposed to antibiotics,

> the more likely they are to become resistant to them.

>

> People taking antibiotics are more likely to develop allergic reactions to

> the drugs the more they take them, according to the American Medical

> Association, which supports the guidelines.

>

> There are warning signs for patients, though.

>

> " If you have a very high temperature or difficulty breathing, or chest

> pain, you need to call your doctor immediately, " Fryhofer said.

>

> Otherwise, experts recommend treating symptoms at home for seven to 10

days

> with over-the-counter medicine to see if the symptoms improve.

>

> " When the infection has been going on longer than seven to 10 days, that's

> when there is a higher likelihood of it being bacterial, " said Dr. Set

> Oringher of the Washington Sinus Center.

>

> Though Oringher said he agreed with the guidelines, he predicted that

> physicians who follow them would face additional hurdles, such as

> skepticism from patients about their doctors' motives for not dispensing

> antibiotics.

>

> " A lot of times a patient's reaction will be one of mistrust, " Oringher

> said, " feeling that they're not being treated appropriately and they will

> either go see another doctor or call back two days later and say I'm still

> not better. "

>

> But Oringher agreed that the problem of antibiotic resistance is growing

as

> a result of over-prescription.

>

> " More recently, we are seeing that a lot of strains of strep pneumonia are

> becoming resistant to antibiotics that we used to use, like penicillin, "

he

> said. Strep pneumonia bacteria are the most common cause of sinus

> infections and some bronchitis infections.

>

> It is difficult for doctors to distinguish between bacterial and viral

> infections. Sinus infections are particularly problematic, because no test

> exists that makes the distinction, so doctors often prescribe antibiotics

> anyway.

>

> " Spending the time to explain to [the patients] why they may not need an

> antibiotic certainly takes more time and is difficult these days with

> managed care, " he added.

>

> The guidelines indicate when an antibiotic is appropriate, such as for

> treatment of strep throat, whooping cough and pneumonia. Oringher added

> that, when a patient develops a fever of 101 to 101.5, he or she should

see

> a doctor.

>

> The guidelines were published in the ls of Internal Medicine by the

> American College of Physicians-American Society of Internal Medicine.

>

> ...

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

and Terry,

Thanks for the info on antibiotics. When I was going to the first doctor

who I call the quack, he had me on antibiotics for 18 months straight.

Everytime I coughed or my nose was stuffy he would prescribe them. My

husband and I never realized it until he wouldn't release my records, so I

dug up all my receipts. Being we were self employed we kept them for tax

purposes. He gave me everything from mild to strong antibiotics. For 3

yrs. afterwards when I would get a cold within days it was a sinus infection

and then in my chest (bronchitis). It would take everything I had to fight

it. My new doctor even told my husband he feared if I caught one of those

super infections that I wouldn't be able to fight it. I was such a walking

zombie at the time I myself didn't know better, and my husband had a hard

time just dealing with me, a business and kids.

I still think one of the things that made me feel better was I started

drinking the tea I drink. I mix equal parts of fennel seed, anise seed and

fenugreek seed and seep and drink. I use it whenever I get a sinus

infection. We all use it. One of them is also a colon cleanser and think

it helped clean all the bad stuff out of my system that that doctor gave me.

I've read other articles on antibiotics being bad for you, but when you tell

people they think you are dumb. I am going to copy this, more people might

believe you if they see it is from the American College of

Physicians_American Society of Internal Medicine.

Debbie R.

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

If you have access to a good acupuncturist/herbalist where you live, you

might consider going in and getting some more help re-strengthening your

system.

That doctor should be stopped! One thing I know from my oldest child (now

29), who had many ear infections treated with antibiotics as a little

one--she's now allergic to most of the antibiotics. My next one, now 19, had

a few courses of antibiotics for his ears and then his dad started studying

Chinese medicine, and we stopped completely with that route. The youngest

never has had an antibiotic.

I am told that in some countries, they require hospitalization if

antibiotics are administered. Not sure how true this is, but certainly the

overuse of them (including feeding to meat animals) is recklessly dangerous.

Where did you get that tea you take from? Sounds interesting, I'll mention

to my husband and see if it corresponds to any Chinese herbs and theory.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:19:02 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: FW: [paracelsus] fwd: Doctors' group issues

> guidelines on antibiotics

>

> He gave me everything from mild to strong antibiotics. For 3

> yrs. afterwards when I would get a cold within days it was a sinus infection

> and then in my chest (bronchitis). It would take everything I had to fight

> it. My new doctor even told my husband he feared if I caught one of those

> super infections that I wouldn't be able to fight it. I was such a walking

> zombie at the time I myself didn't know better, and my husband had a hard

> time just dealing with me, a business and kids.

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

Did you breastfeed your babies? At that time it wasn't very socially

acceptable and doctors would tell mothers that bottlefeeding was just as

good as breastfeeding.

I read somewhere that breastfeeding reduces the incidence of ear infection.

This seems to be borne out in my friend's children. The ones that were

bottlefed (some mothers are not able to breastfeed their infants) had a

higher incidence of ear infection than the breastfed babies. Breastfed

babies can have ear infections too but the rate is lower.

They tell you that breastmilk doesn't really contain antibodies after 3

months post-birth. But I don't believe that. Some maternal antibodies must

slip through. It's anecdotal, I know, but my son was rarely sick (and then

it was only mild) until I stopped breastfeeding him at 2 years. I sometimes

would get sick and he wouldn't. I still get comments about how silly it is

to breastfeed a child that long from a few friends (those are the ones that

chose bottlefeeding from the beginning for convenience-I don't know, I guess

it makes them feel better-the ones that couldn't don't tell me that).

Not long after my son was born, they discovered too that many bottlefed

babies had eye problems probably because the manufacturers weren't putting

in an amino acid essential for proper eye growth. They have been adding it

to formula since '96. They didn't know about that missing amino acid and it

makes me wonder what else they don't know about what to put in formula I

was bottlefed (as were my sisters) and my vision is now 20/1000, 20/850

(it's just awful). They are nearsighted too. I'd love to have laser

surgery but they haven't perfected it for people as nearsighted as me and my

eyes change all the time because of the TED anyways. So that's out.

Anyhow, I'm glad things are changing about how we regard breastfeeding.

Whew! Sure am yappy lately.

Take care,

Re: FW: [paracelsus] fwd: Doctors' group

issues

> > guidelines on antibiotics

> >

> > He gave me everything from mild to strong antibiotics. For 3

> > yrs. afterwards when I would get a cold within days it was a sinus

infection

> > and then in my chest (bronchitis). It would take everything I had to

fight

> > it. My new doctor even told my husband he feared if I caught one of

those

> > super infections that I wouldn't be able to fight it. I was such a

walking

> > zombie at the time I myself didn't know better, and my husband had a

hard

> > time just dealing with me, a business and kids.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------------

> > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> > intended to replace expert medical care.

> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> > ----------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Terry,

I use herbs from Frontier Herbs, they are organic. The cost more than

Walmart, but I feel safe using them. Friends of ours have a bulk food store

she orders the fenugreek, fennel and anise in big bags and sells it bulk.

You mix it in equal parts, I use 1 tablespoon for a pot of tea. She knows

alot about herbs and told me about using the three herbs for my son who had

colic. I told her I started drinking the tea and feeling better. I can't

remember which, but if you read about the three herbs one or all of them

will cleanse the colon. At the time, it was the first time in 7 yrs. I

started to feel normal. A friend of mine told me along time ago to do a

colon cleansing. Maybe my feeling better could contribute to having the

baby too, who knows. But, I haven't been to the doctors in over 3 yrs. for

sinus trouble.

I'd be interested in knowing what your husband thinks about them and the

chinese herb theory. Thanks.

I've checked for a acupuncturist/herbalist in my area but have found none.

I am glad to say that doctor I went to is no longer in practice.

My husband is from a farming family. So that is why we raise our own beef,

chickens etc. Beef cows raised for commercial use stores, etc are

sometimes feed out with steriods in less than 12 months. We raise ours for

20-22 months, slow. Our butcher even asked how we raised such lean beef, he

said there is no fat at all on the beef we raise. Like my husband says,

these animals are vegetarians don't feed them blood meal or manure that is

put through a process and reused as feed. My husband was in FFA (Future

Farmers of America) and he said the things he saw most people wouldn't eat

meat. Our butcher was in FFA with my husband and they didn't like the

things they saw. Chicken bought in the store is sprayed to kill diseases

that could be on it, our butcher said they are talking about doing the same

with pork and beef. He said when they do that will be the day he closes his

door.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie

The tea sounds really good - I might see if I can find the ingredients and give

it a try. Is it OK in pregnancy?

I wish your butcher was 'just around the corner' from me!

Cheers

Caroline

Riley wrote:

> Terry,

>

> I use herbs from Frontier Herbs, they are organic. The cost more than

> Walmart, but I feel safe using them. Friends of ours have a bulk food store

> she orders the fenugreek, fennel and anise in big bags and sells it bulk.

> You mix it in equal parts, I use 1 tablespoon for a pot of tea. She knows

> alot about herbs and told me about using the three herbs for my son who had

> colic. I told her I started drinking the tea and feeling better. I can't

> remember which, but if you read about the three herbs one or all of them

> will cleanse the colon. At the time, it was the first time in 7 yrs. I

> started to feel normal. A friend of mine told me along time ago to do a

> colon cleansing. Maybe my feeling better could contribute to having the

> baby too, who knows. But, I haven't been to the doctors in over 3 yrs. for

> sinus trouble.

>

> I'd be interested in knowing what your husband thinks about them and the

> chinese herb theory. Thanks.

>

> I've checked for a acupuncturist/herbalist in my area but have found none.

>

> I am glad to say that doctor I went to is no longer in practice.

>

> My husband is from a farming family. So that is why we raise our own beef,

> chickens etc. Beef cows raised for commercial use stores, etc are

> sometimes feed out with steriods in less than 12 months. We raise ours for

> 20-22 months, slow. Our butcher even asked how we raised such lean beef, he

> said there is no fat at all on the beef we raise. Like my husband says,

> these animals are vegetarians don't feed them blood meal or manure that is

> put through a process and reused as feed. My husband was in FFA (Future

> Farmers of America) and he said the things he saw most people wouldn't eat

> meat. Our butcher was in FFA with my husband and they didn't like the

> things they saw. Chicken bought in the store is sprayed to kill diseases

> that could be on it, our butcher said they are talking about doing the same

> with pork and beef. He said when they do that will be the day he closes his

> door.

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm going to jump in here. I breast fed my son until around 15 months. I would

have done it longer except I had to

return to work and so I reduced him to morning and night at about 12 months.

Anyway he has one ear infection in his

whole life (now 18 years old) and had a gastric infection at about 18 months

old. The just about nothing -

occasional cold/flu. Fortunately he has not had more than 3 courses of

antibiotics (that I can remember).

I have always advocated his health was due to breast feeding and I feed him

fresh foods cooked and blended by me. I

couldn't stand the look, smell and taste of the baby cereals and stuff - so I

made my own.

My mum also breast feed my sister and I and until GD last year and sinusitis

occasionally I had enjoyed excellent

health. My sister is healthy also.

My hubby had laser surgery 4 years ago with wonderful success. His vision was so

bad that he had put on glasses to

read the clock/radio. Now it is perfect. He was very happy I had they can treat

you some time - you never know.

Cheers

Caroline

Utecht wrote:

> Hi Terry-

>

> Did you breastfeed your babies? At that time it wasn't very socially

> acceptable and doctors would tell mothers that bottlefeeding was just as

> good as breastfeeding.

>

> I read somewhere that breastfeeding reduces the incidence of ear infection.

> This seems to be borne out in my friend's children. The ones that were

> bottlefed (some mothers are not able to breastfeed their infants) had a

> higher incidence of ear infection than the breastfed babies. Breastfed

> babies can have ear infections too but the rate is lower.

>

> They tell you that breastmilk doesn't really contain antibodies after 3

> months post-birth. But I don't believe that. Some maternal antibodies must

> slip through. It's anecdotal, I know, but my son was rarely sick (and then

> it was only mild) until I stopped breastfeeding him at 2 years. I sometimes

> would get sick and he wouldn't. I still get comments about how silly it is

> to breastfeed a child that long from a few friends (those are the ones that

> chose bottlefeeding from the beginning for convenience-I don't know, I guess

> it makes them feel better-the ones that couldn't don't tell me that).

>

> Not long after my son was born, they discovered too that many bottlefed

> babies had eye problems probably because the manufacturers weren't putting

> in an amino acid essential for proper eye growth. They have been adding it

> to formula since '96. They didn't know about that missing amino acid and it

> makes me wonder what else they don't know about what to put in formula I

> was bottlefed (as were my sisters) and my vision is now 20/1000, 20/850

> (it's just awful). They are nearsighted too. I'd love to have laser

> surgery but they haven't perfected it for people as nearsighted as me and my

> eyes change all the time because of the TED anyways. So that's out.

>

> Anyhow, I'm glad things are changing about how we regard breastfeeding.

>

> Whew! Sure am yappy lately.

>

> Take care,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline-

That's wonderful news about your husband's vision. Sometimes when the

patient has vision worse than 20/400 (and your husband sounds like his was)

they can't get it to 20/20. But laser surgery worked for him.

Maybe I'll reconsider. The TED changes my vision some but not a lot and it

sure would be nice (especially when we're backpacking) not to have to worry

about contacts and glasses.

I've been after my husband to go ahead and do it. He's the perfect

candidate for it. He won't do it because it's expensive but I think the

more common it becomes, he might be persuaded.

Take care,

Re: FW: [paracelsus] fwd: Doctors' group issues

guidelines on antibiotics

> Hi

>

> I'm going to jump in here. I breast fed my son until around 15 months. I

would have done it longer except I had to

> return to work and so I reduced him to morning and night at about 12

months. Anyway he has one ear infection in his

> whole life (now 18 years old) and had a gastric infection at about 18

months old. The just about nothing -

> occasional cold/flu. Fortunately he has not had more than 3 courses of

antibiotics (that I can remember).

>

> I have always advocated his health was due to breast feeding and I feed

him fresh foods cooked and blended by me. I

> couldn't stand the look, smell and taste of the baby cereals and stuff -

so I made my own.

>

> My mum also breast feed my sister and I and until GD last year and

sinusitis occasionally I had enjoyed excellent

> health. My sister is healthy also.

>

> My hubby had laser surgery 4 years ago with wonderful success. His vision

was so bad that he had put on glasses to

> read the clock/radio. Now it is perfect. He was very happy I had they can

treat you some time - you never know.

>

> Cheers

> Caroline

>

> Utecht wrote:

>

> > Hi Terry-

> >

> > Did you breastfeed your babies? At that time it wasn't very socially

> > acceptable and doctors would tell mothers that bottlefeeding was just as

> > good as breastfeeding.

> >

> > I read somewhere that breastfeeding reduces the incidence of ear

infection.

> > This seems to be borne out in my friend's children. The ones that were

> > bottlefed (some mothers are not able to breastfeed their infants) had a

> > higher incidence of ear infection than the breastfed babies. Breastfed

> > babies can have ear infections too but the rate is lower.

> >

> > They tell you that breastmilk doesn't really contain antibodies after 3

> > months post-birth. But I don't believe that. Some maternal antibodies

must

> > slip through. It's anecdotal, I know, but my son was rarely sick (and

then

> > it was only mild) until I stopped breastfeeding him at 2 years. I

sometimes

> > would get sick and he wouldn't. I still get comments about how silly it

is

> > to breastfeed a child that long from a few friends (those are the ones

that

> > chose bottlefeeding from the beginning for convenience-I don't know, I

guess

> > it makes them feel better-the ones that couldn't don't tell me that).

> >

> > Not long after my son was born, they discovered too that many bottlefed

> > babies had eye problems probably because the manufacturers weren't

putting

> > in an amino acid essential for proper eye growth. They have been adding

it

> > to formula since '96. They didn't know about that missing amino acid

and it

> > makes me wonder what else they don't know about what to put in formula

I

> > was bottlefed (as were my sisters) and my vision is now 20/1000, 20/850

> > (it's just awful). They are nearsighted too. I'd love to have laser

> > surgery but they haven't perfected it for people as nearsighted as me

and my

> > eyes change all the time because of the TED anyways. So that's out.

> >

> > Anyhow, I'm glad things are changing about how we regard breastfeeding.

> >

> > Whew! Sure am yappy lately.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> >

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>