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Hope you don't mind me sending these articles, I couldn't copy the url

properly. Chris

ANOTHER CAUSE OF HIVES

Report #6209 6/2/94

A paper presented at the most recent meeting of the American Association

of Allergy and Immunology showed

that some cases of hives are caused by the same germ that causes stomach

ulcers.

Hives are itchy red splotches that appear on the skin, last a few

minutes or hours, disappear and reappear

somewhere else on the skin. This process can last a few days or continue

for a lifetime. Hives can be caused by

an infection, hidden cancer, auto-immune disease in which the body's own

immunity attacks itself or an allergy

to a food or drug. Although there are hundreds of known causes, more

than 95% of the time, doctors never

find the specific cause.

Over the last decade doctors have proved that more than 80% of stomach

and intestinal ulcers are caused by

infection with a bacterium called helicobacter pylori and these ulcers

can be cured by taking appropriate

antibiotics for one week. A recent report by Dr. Kagan of

Appleton, Wisconsin showed that an immune

reaction to helicobacter caused hives and the hives disappeared after

the infected person took antibiotic

treatment to cure the helicobacter infection that causes stomach ulcers.

People who have ulcer symptoms are

the ones most likely to have helicobacter as the cause of their hives.

If you have a burning in your stomach or

chest that gets worse when you're hungry and better when you eat and

belching, burping, a sour taste in your

mouth, a sore throat, a white coated tongue and an offensive mouth odor,

ask your doctor to order a blood

test from helicobacter.

I'm Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Fitness.

AAAI annual meeting March, 1994

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I'd read that too and asked my doc (the insensitive one - see my other post)

to test for H. Pylori. Apparently this was one of the straws that I was

grasping at and she didn't agree to do it until after I shed a few tears.

Results were negative for h. pylori.

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:57:29 EDT alexis218@... writes:

> I'd read that too and asked my doc (the insensitive one - see my

> other post)

> to test for H. Pylori. Apparently this was one of the straws that I

> was

> grasping at and she didn't agree to do it until after I shed a few

> tears.

> Results were negative for h. pylori.

Is h-pylori a blood test? What doctor would test for that one? A

gastroenterologist, (sp) or would any doctor do?

Thanks,

Esther

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Hi, Tammy. You asked, " Speaking of another cause.....I was wondering if

anyone has had problems with insect bites? "

I sometimes get super huge welts from bug bites. I think our bodies are just

so over-reactive, we tend to react more than normal to insect bites. I mean,

anyone will get a small, localized welt (hive) from an insect bite along

with itching, so it kind of makes sense that we would hyper-react. - Jackie

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In a message dated 07/25/2000 10:02:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

esthers.1@... writes:

<< Is h-pylori a blood test? What doctor would test for that one? A

gastroenterologist, (sp) or would any doctor do?

>>

Funny you should ask. Yes, it is a blood test and when I asked my allergist

(the mean one), she said she would have to send me back to my primary care

physician. I asked her why, and she said that they don't " do those kinds of

tests " from her department. then she said she wouldn't know how to read it.

I found this unbelievable. If SHE is working to control a condition that

falls within her specialty, wouldn't SHE order WHATEVER tests she needed to

assist her in doing that? What in the world is the sense in making me

schedule an appointment to go back to my primary physician to do the test,

who will send the results back to her, where I will have to make ANOTHER

appointment with her to discuss the results and other options? DOES THAT

SOUND COST EFFECTIVE????? Then I told her that if she couldn't interpret the

results, the GI department was located on the next floor and couldn't she

confer with one of her colleagues??? She finally relented.

It makes the most sense to have whatever doc you are working with relative to

this condition to order the tests. It's a simple enough test and, who knows,

in your case it might be the answer.

is

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HI,

Speaking of another cause.....I was wondering if anyone has had problems

with insect bites? I was stung yesterday by some strange green bug on my

left forearm late yesterday afternoon. Now I have had an outbreak of hives,

angioedema in the forearm and general swelling with hives on my left hand,

and joint pain again! I have some hives on the rest of my body, but

otherwise doing well overall. This is so strange! Can anyone else relate

to this??

Thanks!

Tammy in MI

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> I'd read that too and asked my doc (the insensitive one - see my other

post)

> to test for H. Pylori. Apparently this was one of the straws that I was

> grasping at and she didn't agree to do it until after I shed a few tears.

> Results were negative for h. pylori.

>

>

>

> This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria

(hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide

cyber-family.

>

> We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle

with Chronic Urticria.

>

> Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post with

a prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish to

read such postings.

>

>

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Every time I have blood drawn I get hives at the site of the needle insertion

and in the surrounding the area. When I had the pin prick allergy skin tests

done, I reacted to everything, including sterile water! Of course, now I

understand that I was getting hives in response to the pin prick, not the

substance.

I guess our systems are so reactive that we over react to any type of trauma

or invasion, such as a bug bite.

is

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Tammy et. al.:

Bugs have always loved me. My husband claims that I'm his best bug

repellant, because whenever I'm around, the bugs swarm me, and leave him

alone!

My reaction to bug bites has become more pronounced over the years, even

before CU. A single mosquito bite can swell up to the size of a quarter or

larger, and stay itchy off and on for 4-6 weeks.

Never thought anything of it, but maybe there is a connection. However, we

aren't the only ones getting bitten out there!

In an effort to put the puzzle pieces together, I'll share an embarrassing

story. I've had bed bugs - there, I've said it. For weeks late one summer

(just before the CU started), I experienced daily 'bites' virtually all over

my body. Doctors thought they were 'no-see-um' bugs.

Then we found the bed bugs - gross! It turned out we probably brought home

the bugs in our bags or clothing from a hotel on a trip to the Eastern

States. My husband was being bitten too, but not reacting. However, I was

reacting dramatically hours after the bites, and was still dealing with

those from the day before.

Well, we got rid of them, and encased our bed and pillows in vinyl covers.

The bites ended, but I'm wondering if that episode set up my system for CU.

Any thoughts, reflections? Good Luck to All!

Donna - the Itchy & Scratchy Show!

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>

>

> > I'd read that too and asked my doc (the insensitive one - see my other

> post)

> > to test for H. Pylori. Apparently this was one of the straws that I was

> > grasping at and she didn't agree to do it until after I shed a few

tears.

> > Results were negative for h. pylori.

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria

> (hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide

> cyber-family.

> >

> > We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle

> with Chronic Urticria.

> >

> > Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post

with

> a prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish

to

> read such postings.

> >

> >

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> Why pay for something you could get for free?

> NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email

> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

>

>

>

> This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria

(hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide

cyber-family.

>

> We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle

with Chronic Urticria.

>

> Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post with

a prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish to

read such postings.

>

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I too have the same reactions with bug bites! A couple of years I had to

almost visit the ER for a bite from a deer fly! The best relief I have

found from bug bites is meat tenderizer mixed with a drop of water. It

help, but you have to use it immediately. It even reduces the swelling.

Deana or (Gidget)

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When I had the pin prick test I reacted to everything too but I think it

was because I have cold hives and just the evaporation of the little bit

of stuff that they dabbed on caused my hives to come up. They got an

approximate reading because of the different sizes of the welts. Chris

alexis218@... wrote:

>

> Every time I have blood drawn I get hives at the site of the needle insertion

> and in the surrounding the area. When I had the pin prick allergy skin tests

> done, I reacted to everything, including sterile water! Of course, now I

> understand that I was getting hives in response to the pin prick, not the

> substance.

>

> I guess our systems are so reactive that we over react to any type of trauma

> or invasion, such as a bug bite.

>

> is

>

>

>

> This list is in the service of those who suffer from Chronic Urticaria

(hives). We strive to support and lift each other as a worldwide cyber-family.

>

> We share whatever needs to be shared to help one another in our struggle with

Chronic Urticria.

>

> Any posting that is off the main topic of Chronic Urticaria, we post with a

prefix of NCU -. This is done out of respect for those who do not wish to read

such postings.

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is:

I would also get a hive at the site of needle entry the day after a blood

draw. Since my hives went away, it doesn't happen any more (just a

regular bruise or no unusual marks at all). That was always a hint that

there was something wrong with me, even though I " disguised it " with

Zyrtec.

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