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Hello Doug, Pleae explain what you mean by “AS” since I didn’t use “AS” in my email. Chuck Always as close as the other end of your computer to help address any prostate cancer concerns. " What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others. " (Chuck) Maack/Prostate Cancer Advocate/Mentor Wichita, Kansas Chapter, Us TOOBiography: http://www.ustoowichita.org/leaders.cfm?content=bio & id=1 Email: maack1@... Chapter Website " Observations " : http://www.ustoowichita.org/observations.cfm From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of dtcSent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:21 AMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Undecided Chuck,Where do you get the kind of AS you suggest?I have been to 2 top hospitals, and the testing (other than DRE and PSA) is not routinely done.Doug

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Chuck Maack wrote:

>Hello Doug,

> 

>Please explain what you mean by “AS†since I didn’t use “AS†in my

email.

Probably " Active Surveillance " .

    Alan

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Chuck Maack wrote:

>Hello Doug,

> 

>Please explain what you mean by “AS†since I didn’t use “AS†in my

email.

Probably " Active Surveillance " .

    Alan

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I certainly thought of that, Alan, but the email he is citing had nothing in it regarding “AS.†Chuck From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Alan MeyerSent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:11 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Re: Undecided Chuck Maack wrote:>Hello Doug,> >Please explain what you mean by “AS†since I didn’t use “AS†in my email.Probably " Active Surveillance " . Alan

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sobysobe wrote:

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> However, it's unrealistic to think that you can educate the

> doctor, and then convince him to do the tests.

....

Doug,

I think you're right about a lot of doctors, but not all of them.

I get routine care at a Kaiser Permanente HMO.  Most of the

doctors I've had there have at least been open to suggestions for

tests and will discuss them with me.  I wouldn't be able to talk

them into something that was ridiculously expensive, or something

that they firmly believed to be useless or harmful, but if I

explain why I want some test done they've usually ordered it for

me.  I haven't done that often, but it has worked when I have.

Another avenue for more extensive testing is the research

centers.  Most of these are university hospitals but there are

also some that are not associated with universities.  Doctors at

those places are often more knowledgeable about unusual tests

than their colleagues in private practice, and are sometimes more

interested in learning new things.

So if you want some non-routine testing don't give up too soon.

Try your oncologist, urologist, or GP - whoever you see for this

care.  If you don't get anywhere, try the other guy and, if

you're not satisfied with the care you're getting, ask around

about other doctors.

Best of luck.

    Alan

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Doug,

One thing we all had to do was to manage

our own research. You ask which doctors follow an AS (Active Surveillance)

protocol and ask for their names. Why do you want their names? Do you want to

consult with them? If so the first question is where do you live? Do you want

to travel for these consultations? How far? One of the early AS doctors is

based in London, England. Do you want his name? Are you

going to get across to see him?

Start doing some work for yourself. Put

Active Surveillance Prostate Cancer into a search engine like Google. You can

see the papers that have been produced on the subject and the authors. You can

see where the authors are based. You can go to my site at http://www.yananow.org/exp_data.php?desc=All

and read the stories of men on AS – you can even search them by State and

perhaps find a doctor who has advised someone on the site who lives near you. There

are many other paths to go down in your search.

The point I am trying to make is that it

is not in your best interests to say “Spoon Feed Me” – you need

to get down to collect the information that suits you best. By all means ask

for help in finding it, but get on with it.

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.org and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware that

most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with

inadequate data "

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of sobysobe

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

1:32 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Undecided

Chuck,

Thanks for the detailed response.

My experience is that doctors have a

pretty much set protocol, for whatever they do, and they stick to it.

Therefore, I was asking for the name of a specific doctor(s), who followed the

specific testing protocol for AS, as outlined in your paper.

If yes, please give us the name(s). If not, thanks for the information.

Doug`

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Terry,You're a pragmatist, and well meaning, but there's more guys than you realize -- college education or not -- who can wade through and decipher all-but-Greek medical-speak.tdrTo: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:52 PMSubject: RE: Re: Undecided

Doug, One thing we all had to do was to manage

our own research. You ask which doctors follow an AS (Active Surveillance)

protocol and ask for their names. Why do you want their names? Do you want to

consult with them? If so the first question is where do you live? Do you want

to travel for these consultations? How far? One of the early AS doctors is

based in London , England . Do you want his name? Are you

going to get across to see him? Start doing some work for yourself. Put

Active Surveillance Prostate Cancer into a search engine like Google. You can

see the papers that have been produced on the subject and the authors. You can

see where the authors are based. You can go to my site at http://www.yananow.org/exp_data.php?desc=All

and read the stories of men on AS – you can even search them by State and

perhaps find a doctor who has advised someone on the site who lives near you. There

are many other paths to go down in your search. The point I am trying to make is that it

is not in your best interests to say “Spoon Feed Me†– you need

to get down to collect the information that suits you best. By all means ask

for help in finding it, but get on with it.

All the best Terry Herbert I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then. My sites are at www.yananow.org and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za Dr

“Snuffy†My ers : "As a physician, I am painfully aware that

most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with

inadequate data"

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto: ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of sobysobe

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

1:32 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Undecided

Chuck,

Thanks for the detailed response.

My experience is that doctors have a

pretty much set protocol, for whatever they do, and they stick to it.

Therefore, I was asking for the name of a specific doctor(s), who followed the

specific testing protocol for AS, as outlined in your paper.

If yes, please give us the name(s). If not, thanks for the information.

Doug`

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TDR, I dropped out of school at age 15. I

didn’t go to college or university or……. What I know I taught myself. I know it

is not easy to understand all the gobbledygook that is published, but it isn’t

impossible – and you can always ask for help in ‘translating’ this. But if you

are looking for some doctor to help with AS, that doesn’t require a degree, it

requires persistence – at least in my opinion.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry

Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of TD Roebling

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

8:29 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Re: Undecided

Terry,

You're a

pragmatist, and well meaning, but there's more guys than you realize -- college

education or not -- who can wade through and decipher all-but-Greek

medical-speak.

tdr

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011

2:52 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Undecided

Doug,

One thing we all had to

do was to manage our own research. You ask which doctors follow an AS (Active

Surveillance) protocol and ask for their names. Why do you want their names? Do

you want to consult with them? If so the first question is where do you live?

Do you want to travel for these consultations? How far? One of the early AS

doctors is based in London

, England . Do

you want his name? Are you going to get across to see him?

Start doing some work for

yourself. Put Active Surveillance Prostate Cancer into a search engine like

Google. You can see the papers that have been produced on the subject and the

authors. You can see where the authors are based. You can go to my site at

http://www.yananow.org/exp_data.php?desc=All

and read the stories of men on AS – you can even search them by State and

perhaps find a doctor who has advised someone on the site who lives near you.

There are many other paths to go down in your search.

The point I am trying to

make is that it is not in your best interests to say “Spoon Feed Me” – you need

to get down to collect the information that suits you best. By all means ask

for help in finding it, but get on with it.

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no

medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.org and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr “Snuffy” My

ers :

" As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make

with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data "

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto: ProstateCancerSupport

] On Behalf Of sobysobe

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

1:32 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Undecided

Chuck,

Thanks for the detailed response.

My experience is that doctors have a

pretty much set protocol, for whatever they do, and they stick to it.

Therefore, I was asking for the name of a specific doctor(s), who followed the

specific testing protocol for AS, as outlined in your paper.

If yes, please give us the name(s). If not, thanks for the information.

Doug`

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Terry,Have a friend that mirrors your scholastic creds and became a distinguished Shakespearean actor. Defies my comprehension. I never could track the meaning of Shakespeare, no matter how many times I re-read it; or his pep talks that it twould be become clearer the more I did it. NEVER HAPPENED!I need the Tony-Has-A-Pony-version. Nobody will ever make money overestimating what I can do.tdrTo: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:07 PMSubject: RE: Re: Undecided

TDR, I dropped out of school at age 15. I

didn’t go to college or university or……. What I know I taught myself. I know it

is not easy to understand all the gobbledygook that is published, but it isn’t

impossible – and you can always ask for help in ‘translating’ this. But if you

are looking for some doctor to help with AS, that doesn’t require a degree, it

requires persistence – at least in my opinion.

All the best Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening Terry

Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto: ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of TD Roebling

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

8:29 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Re: Undecided

Terry,

You're a

pragmatist, and well meaning, but there's more guys than you realize -- college

education or not -- who can wade through and decipher all-but-Greek

medical-speak.

tdr

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011

2:52 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Undecided

Doug,

One thing we all had to

do was to manage our own research. You ask which doctors follow an AS (Active

Surveillance) protocol and ask for their names. Why do you want their names? Do

you want to consult with them? If so the first question is where do you live?

Do you want to travel for these consultations? How far? One of the early AS

doctors is based in London , England . Do

you want his name? Are you going to get across to see him?

Start doing some work for

yourself. Put Active Surveillance Prostate Cancer into a search engine like

Google. You can see the papers that have been produced on the subject and the

authors. You can see where the authors are based. You can go to my site at

http://www.yananow.org/exp_data.php?desc=All

and read the stories of men on AS – you can even search them by State and

perhaps find a doctor who has advised someone on the site who lives near you.

There are many other paths to go down in your search.

The point I am trying to

make is that it is not in your best interests to say “Spoon Feed Me†– you need

to get down to collect the information that suits you best. By all means ask

for help in finding it, but get on with it.

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no

medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.org and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr “Snuffy†My ers :

"As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make

with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data"

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto: ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of sobysobe

Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011

1:32 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Undecided

Chuck,

Thanks for the detailed response.

My experience is that doctors have a

pretty much set protocol, for whatever they do, and they stick to it.

Therefore, I was asking for the name of a specific doctor(s), who followed the

specific testing protocol for AS, as outlined in your paper.

If yes, please give us the name(s). If not, thanks for the information.

Doug`

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TD Roebling wrote:

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> I need the Tony-Has-A-Pony-version.  Nobody will ever make

> money overestimating what I can do.

Well TD, I have to say that you are ahead of some people.  I

often think I know what I'm doing only to find out later that I

don't.  At least you know what you don't know!  And you ask

questions - another thing that some of us don't do when we

should.

Don't run yourself down too much.  I think you're doing okay.

    Alan

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Hope my onc thinks so next week, AlantdrTo: "ProstateCancerSupport " <ProstateCancerSupport >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:58 AMSubject: Re: Re: Undecided

TD Roebling wrote:

....

> I need the Tony-Has-A-Pony-version. Nobody will ever make

> money overestimating what I can do.

Well TD, I have to say that you are ahead of some people. I

often think I know what I'm doing only to find out later that I

don't. At least you know what you don't know! And you ask

questions - another thing that some of us don't do when we

should.

Don't run yourself down too much. I think you're doing okay.

Alan

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