Re: Opinions, information sought on diabetes and immunity

[Guest guest]

I have a history of pretty much never getting sick... maybe once every few

years I would get a doozy of a cold or bronchitis or worse. That was UNTIL

last year... in a matter of about 4-5 months I had a flu that had me down

for a week, a bad bronchitis (thought I had pneumonia), and another flu that

knocked me out for a long weekend, and a horrible, severe, yeast infection.

This was over a period of 5 months. I couldn't understand it... until I was

diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and my BG's were around 300. Once my BG's

got under control, I haven't been sick since.

That's all I know is that it definitely was affecting my immune system while

out of control but now things seem okay.

I'm sorry, this probably doesn't help your research much.

:-)

[Guest guest]

Actually, I have had the same type of experiences as . I was always

sick with cold and sinus infections or bronchitis. When I was diagnosed with

type 2 and got things under control, the sicknesses have become less. In

fact, I may get sick once a year or so but that is all. Now I get maybe one

cold per year. I do, however, have GA but that seems to be fading now. I

have outbreaks every now and then on the back of my hands.

Heller

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tongues.

RE: Opinions, information sought on diabetes and

immunity

* I have a history of pretty much never getting sick... maybe once

every few

years I would get a doozy of a cold or bronchitis or worse. That was UNTIL

last year... in a matter of about 4-5 months I had a flu that had me down

for a week, a bad bronchitis (thought I had pneumonia), and another flu that

knocked me out for a long weekend, and a horrible, severe, yeast infection.

This was over a period of 5 months. I couldn't understand it... until I was

diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and my BG's were around 300. Once my BG's

got under control, I haven't been sick since.

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[Guest guest]

jimchristianhall wrote:

>Hello,

>

>ANYWAY - I can never seem to be able to find out just how much of an

>influence diabetes is in weakened immunity. The web doesn't have much

>at all about this. My current doctor thinks that is does influence

>immunity (weaken it) but my previous doctor, an internist, said

>diabetes only weakens immunity if it is VERY poorly controlled (say an

>average in the high 200s, etc.). He didn't think diabetes was the

>problem with my weak immunity.

>

>What do you folks think, know, about this subject matter?

>

>

My opinion would be that your previous doctor doesn't know what

he's/(she's?) talking about.

I'm on MDI, insulin, and metformin.

I don't have uncontrolled BG. My HbA1c have ranged from 4.9 to 5.5% over

the past two years. I still have problems with my immune system.

For example, working around the house I always get little nicks here and

there. They just about always infect unless I cleanse, and bandage with

Bacitracin or similar. Many of these " nicks " will last weeks, and gross

as it may sound, sometimes I have to squeeze them to get the stuff out,

and rebandage. That usually clears things up.

I get colds easily, mainly because I am far removed from exposure to

anyone with germs, living so rural. The only time I see anyone pretty

much is when I go food shopping, and some jerk is coughing, mouth wide

open, and in any direction, not concious of anyone else. This gets me

pretty hot, and I've been known to tell them " didn't your mother ever

tell you to cover your mouth when you cough? "

Being old(er), I can get away with that.

My doctor has pressed me to have a knee replacement for some time.. Not

as long as I can still walk. I am currently 1 1/2 month into a root

canal, and have progressed from two refills of Keflex to an Amoxicillan

prescription today, and we are just standing pat, waiting for the

infection to clear before closing things up.

No fun.

--

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A 4th generation Diabetic

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[Guest guest]

> He didn't think diabetes was the

> problem with my weak immunity.

There are at least three links between diabetes, actually the

metabolic syndrome (syndrome X), and immune response. All are in the

scientific literature.

One involves low HGH levels; both diabetes and immunity can be

improved by increasing HGH to youthful values. HGH is required for

proliferation of the NUMBER of white blood cells in the bone marrow,

as well as the rest of the cells, including importantly enough,

thymus size and its function, which is to mature and train some of

the white blood cells. A friend who doesn't sell anything has posted

much of the HGH science here (there are a couiple of sections for

metabolic syndrome and diabetes):

http://members.shaw.ca/patriciagilbert/

Trouble is, insulin levels shut down natural HGH production; the

resulting impaired repair and growth is why the house of cards falls

down.

Another relationship involves low glutathione levels. Due to the

insulin load, stress hormones and other toxins, diabetics have

notoriously depleted glutathione as well as perhaps other

antioxidants, and this is what gives rise to the complications of

diabetes, which mainly involve excessive free radical damage. The

significance to immune response is that the ROBUSTNESS of white blood

cells relies on them being able to continue to create glutathione

from precursors in the diet, but that has been depleted. Here's a

noncommercial page that shows the research (medline) and the FDA

verification:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/GSH_medline.html

One other link is glyconutrient availability. We know that certain

polysaccharides such as those found in medicinal mushrooms, aloe

vera, echinacea etc... tend to increase white blood cell activity by

challenging the subject's immune response. We also know that certain

monosaccharide sugars are incorporated into the cell receptor sites;

without them there is a lack of cellular response and communication,

immune response then lacks control and focus. And both high glucose

load and toxin (free radical) load results in malformed cell receptor

sites. The noncommercial link to the science is here:

http://glycoscience.org

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Most of that went right over the top of my head.

Re: Opinions, information sought on diabetes and

immunity

> He didn't think diabetes was the

> problem with my weak immunity.

There are at least three links between diabetes, actually the metabolic

syndrome (syndrome X), and immune response. All are in the scientific

literature.

One involves low HGH levels; both diabetes and immunity can be improved by

increasing HGH to youthful values. HGH is required for proliferation of the

NUMBER of white blood cells in the bone marrow, as well as the rest of the

cells, including importantly enough, thymus size and its function, which is

to mature and train some of the white blood cells. A friend who doesn't sell

anything has posted much of the HGH science here (there are a couiple of

sections for metabolic syndrome and diabetes):

http://members.shaw.ca/patriciagilbert/

Trouble is, insulin levels shut down natural HGH production; the resulting

impaired repair and growth is why the house of cards falls down.

Another relationship involves low glutathione levels. Due to the insulin

load, stress hormones and other toxins, diabetics have notoriously depleted

glutathione as well as perhaps other antioxidants, and this is what gives

rise to the complications of diabetes, which mainly involve excessive free

radical damage. The significance to immune response is that the ROBUSTNESS

of white blood cells relies on them being able to continue to create

glutathione from precursors in the diet, but that has been depleted. Here's

a noncommercial page that shows the research (medline) and the FDA

verification:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/GSH_medline.html

One other link is glyconutrient availability. We know that certain

polysaccharides such as those found in medicinal mushrooms, aloe vera,

echinacea etc... tend to increase white blood cell activity by challenging

the subject's immune response. We also know that certain monosaccharide

sugars are incorporated into the cell receptor sites; without them there is

a lack of cellular response and communication, immune response then lacks

control and focus. And both high glucose load and toxin (free radical) load

results in malformed cell receptor sites. The noncommercial link to the

science is here:

http://glycoscience.org

regards,

Duncan Crow

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