Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 It sure looks like SPAM!!! A " cure " ?? Really!! > I am reading a great ebook on curing cancer... > Here's the write up: > STOP!! > BEFORE YOU TAKE ANOTHER CHEMO OR RADIATION TREATMENT ... READ THIS BOOK FIRST > > > To research your cancer treatment options on the internet, you need a guidebook because without it, you'll be overwhelmed with information. > > Alternative treatments cure cancer permanently. This book shows you 38 of them. > > In 10 years of research and personal experience with cancer, I have learned how to co-doctor effectively. This e-book boils that experience down for you into 141 pages with dozens of resources on the Internet. > > No need to search far and wide for information on causes and cures for cancer. Because it's all right here, complete with current phone numbers and web addresses. > > Just click on a link while my e-book is on your computer screen and go to the web site I refer you to. When you are finished exploring that web site, close your browser and you come right back to where you were in my e-book. Magic? No, just the awesome information handling power of the Internet. > > My former wife fought through a four-year bout with the extreme pain of ovarian cancer. When she passed away in November, 1994, I was determined to learn more about cancer and its mysterious treatment with toxic drugs and radiation. > > In this quest, I have found at least 38 different cancer therapies, all of which are gentler and more effective than " standard " chemotherapy and radiation. Why? Because they work for all cancers -- breast cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, leukemia and on and on by dealing with the CAUSE of the cancer. > > All of them are covered in this e-book which you can buy NOW for $14.95 by clicking here. You have a lifetime (my lifetime, not yours!) money-back guarantee because if this e-book doesn't help you, I don't want you to have it. > > I have sifted out the best cures for you based on some specific criteria: > > > a.. First, it must be readily available in North, South and Central America, Europe and the Far East by Internet or phone ordering. > > > a.. Second, it must be documented with credible studies and statistics on human cancer patients. > > > a.. Third, it must be relatively inexpensive. > > > a.. Fourth, it must be compatible with and enhance " standard " treatment methods, which are chemotherapy, radiation, surgery and hormone therapy. > > Why the last one? Why don't I just try to sell you on treatments which cure your cancer independent of the " standard " treatments? One main reason. As a cancer patient, you must have your treatment supervised by a medical professional. The letters after his or her name (M.D., N.D., D.O., etc.) are far less important than his/her attitude about alternative therapies. > > In the book, I give you the Internet resources you need to find a doctor sympathetic to your quest for a gentle, non-toxic cancer cure. > > It's all here, folks. Cure yourself. Cure your loved ones. Find a doctor to work with you because this is NOT a " do-it-yourself " project. > > Want a FREE 34-page sample of the book, including the entire Table of Contents and Chapter 1? Just enter your first name and e-mail address at the upper right of this screen. You will receive within two minutes an e-mail with the FREE 34-page excerpt of the e-book attached. Why? Because, I'm sure that once you read the sample, you will read the rest of the book. > > Order NOW and get four free BONUS Booklets. > > Your $14.95 now buys you the " Cure Your Cancer " e-book PLUS: > > BONUS #1 > > STOP YOUR AGING WITH DIET > > Diet recommendations to make your immune system powerful and keep your anti-cancer system working at top efficiency. > > By eating right, you maximize your chances of beating cancer. What we eat is the primary cause of cancer. It's on a par with cigarette smoking. > > BONUS #2 > > STOP YOUR AGING WITH EXERCISE > > An exercise routine which will build your body into a cancer- fighting machine. No pain. Lots of gain. > > I'll show you exactly the routine I use. It was tailored for me by a doctor (M.D.) who was also a champion weight lifter. > > BONUS #3 > > BEATING DIABETES > > Do you or a loved one have diabetes? Is it in your family? You have a lot of company. > > I'll show you how to reverse diabetes and get well. Because no matter where you are in the progress of this disease, it can be reversed. You can be completely well again. > > Get the " Cure Your Cancer " book now and " Beating Diabetes " will be included free. > > BONUS #4 > > CURE YOUR BACK PAIN > > Do you know anyone with back problems? So do I. For them, I have written a prescription for curing back pain permanently. > > Get this book free with " Cure Your Cancer " if you order NOW. > > LIFETIME GUARANTEE > > Yes, there is no risk. Because at any time, as long as I'm alive (at least another 30 years), I'll refund your $14.95 if you are not completely satisfied with this book. All you have to do is ask. No questions asked. No hassle. > > I live in San . My address and e-mail address are at the bottom of this screen. To call me, just dial 1-. I usually answer the phone myself. If not, I'll be there. That's my home office. > > Get this life-saving information for yourself or your loved ones by clicking here now. I will publish periodic newsletters to update the information in this book. These newsletters are archived on this web site. > > If you order the whole e-book, be sure to also sign up for my FREE newsletter at the top right of this screen. > > Click here now and get healthy again. > > Bill , Author of " Cure Your Cancer " > > P.S. Your successful use of these " alternative/complementary " treatments to permanently cure your cancer is my mission in life. I updated my book with all the latest information on January 8th, 2002. > > After you have read the e-book, please feel free to contact me by e- mail or phone if you have questions. > > B.H. > > P.P.S. Is this your first experience with an e-book (electronic book)? Have no fear. Hundreds of people have now read this book who were using the e-book technology for the first time. > > There are some major advantages. The main ones are: easy and frequent updates; convenience in accessing web sites while reading the book (you just click on the blue hyperlink); instant worldwide distribution; inexpensive " publishing. " > > Help me help you by trying this new approach to getting you up-to- date information. > > B.H. > > > http://www.getandstaywell.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 > It sure looks like SPAM!!! A " cure " ?? Really!! I don't think that Cats was spamming. She is a regular poster. I also came across that site somewhere on this journey and felt the same way that you do about it. We really have to be careful. There are so many people trying to make a dollar off our misfortune. A warning to all out there, if you are going to go outside the norm... ie:CAM then research, research, research the product. I have recently started working with the Holistic Nurse in my hospital (no the doctors did not recommend her department.) I had a list of items that I was interested in, ones that I researched wee into the morning's. One was Maitake mushrooms, now that may sound out there to some but I found that Memeorial SLone Kettering is now doing clinical trials with this extract. If it's worthy of trials at major cancer center's and it will not interfere with my chemo then why not try it? Essiac tea is another, I do not believe that it cures cancer but it has increased my energy level-so again why not drink it if there is benefit. Please watch out for the quacks out there, one especially is Hulda . She claims to have the cure for everything but her legal problems. A friend of mine moved to California so she could cross the border daily to go to her clinic. He major treatment is a 9 volt battery to shock you. My friend believes that this is going to cure her of a fatal disease. Desperate people tend to believe things that they would not under normal circumstances, Be careful what you believe in.................... Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Hi Rayla, Well, I think the statements >>>Alternative treatments cure cancer permanently. This book shows you 38 of them >> It's all here, folks. Cure yourself. Cure your loved ones >>> I'll show you how to reverse diabetes and get well. Because no matter where you are in the progress of this disease, it can be reversed. You can be completely well again. are a bit strong and give the impression of " snake oil cures " . Many " alternative therapies " have been evaluated in animal studies and it is POSSIBLE there may be some benefit in humans too. But I'd be pretty skeptical about anyone claiming a CURE for advanced stage cancer patients (or diabetics either, for that matter!). Well, to be completely honest with you...I flat out do not believe what this guy says in his ad!!! However....was wondering if you could tell us some of the SPECIFIC things the book mentions (e.g. maybe a " book report " with YOUR impressions of the book, giving detail of what it discusses, or maybe just a listing of the alternative methods discussed would help if you don't want to write a lot). I wanna know what YOU think of the book, not just what the ad says...I've spent considerable time studying what RESEARCHERS have learned about alt med (mainly herbal) and I might recognize a few things and could give better comments and feedback. I did notice the " newsletter " has free online back issues http://www.getandstaywell.com/news2.shtml Now, so far as this is concerned > No need to search far and wide for information on causes and cures for cancer. Because it's all right here, complete with current phone numbers and web addresses. note the Life Extension Foundation has a FREE online list of " alternative " doctors and clinics http://www.lef.org/doctors/directoryofdoctors01.html http://www.lef.org/research/directoryofinnovativeclinics01.html Although they sell supplements too, I must give them credit in that they have put most of the " background info " supporting use of these supplements up on the net FREE at their website http://www.lef.org/protocols/index.shtml and as most of these things are commonly available in health food stores you are not " dependent " on them for anything. Best Wishes, PS I will also put up (this weekend) a few comments about the Gavin article, just didn't have time earlier and I'm walkin' out the door right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 that is not the first cure I found. The first cure was Dr Schulze's Incurables Program. There are several out there. Rayla Re: Cure your Cancer It sure looks like SPAM!!! A "cure" ?? Really!!> I am reading a great ebook on curing cancer...> Here's the write up:> STOP!! > BEFORE YOU TAKE ANOTHER CHEMO OR RADIATION TREATMENT ... READ THIS BOOK FIRST> > > To research your cancer treatment options on the internet, you need a guidebook because without it, you'll be overwhelmed with information. > > Alternative treatments cure cancer permanently. This book shows you 38 of them. > > In 10 years of research and personal experience with cancer, I have learned how to co-doctor effectively. This e-book boils that experience down for you into 141 pages with dozens of resources on the Internet. > > No need to search far and wide for information on causes and cures for cancer. Because it's all right here, complete with current phone numbers and web addresses. > > Just click on a link while my e-book is on your computer screen and go to the web site I refer you to. When you are finished exploring that web site, close your browser and you come right back to where you were in my e-book. Magic? No, just the awesome information handling power of the Internet.> > My former wife fought through a four-year bout with the extreme pain of ovarian cancer. When she passed away in November, 1994, I was determined to learn more about cancer and its mysterious treatment with toxic drugs and radiation.> > In this quest, I have found at least 38 different cancer therapies, all of which are gentler and more effective than "standard" chemotherapy and radiation. Why? Because they work for all cancers -- breast cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, leukemia and on and on by dealing with the CAUSE of the cancer.> > All of them are covered in this e-book which you can buy NOW for $14.95 by clicking here. You have a lifetime (my lifetime, not yours!) money-back guarantee because if this e-book doesn't help you, I don't want you to have it. > > I have sifted out the best cures for you based on some specific criteria:> > > a.. First, it must be readily available in North, South and Central America, Europe and the Far East by Internet or phone ordering.> > > a.. Second, it must be documented with credible studies and statistics on human cancer patients.> > > a.. Third, it must be relatively inexpensive.> > > a.. Fourth, it must be compatible with and enhance "standard" treatment methods, which are chemotherapy, radiation, surgery and hormone therapy.> > Why the last one? Why don't I just try to sell you on treatments which cure your cancer independent of the "standard" treatments? One main reason. As a cancer patient, you must have your treatment supervised by a medical professional. The letters after his or her name (M.D., N.D., D.O., etc.) are far less important than his/her attitude about alternative therapies.> > In the book, I give you the Internet resources you need to find a doctor sympathetic to your quest for a gentle, non-toxic cancer cure.> > It's all here, folks. Cure yourself. Cure your loved ones. Find a doctor to work with you because this is NOT a "do-it-yourself" project.> > Want a FREE 34-page sample of the book, including the entire Table of Contents and Chapter 1? Just enter your first name and e-mail address at the upper right of this screen. You will receive within two minutes an e-mail with the FREE 34-page excerpt of the e-book attached. Why? Because, I'm sure that once you read the sample, you will read the rest of the book.> > Order NOW and get four free BONUS Booklets.> > Your $14.95 now buys you the "Cure Your Cancer" e-book PLUS:> > BONUS #1> > STOP YOUR AGING WITH DIET> > Diet recommendations to make your immune system powerful and keep your anti-cancer system working at top efficiency.> > By eating right, you maximize your chances of beating cancer. What we eat is the primary cause of cancer. It's on a par with cigarette smoking.> > BONUS #2> > STOP YOUR AGING WITH EXERCISE> > An exercise routine which will build your body into a cancer-fighting machine. No pain. Lots of gain.> > I'll show you exactly the routine I use. It was tailored for me by a doctor (M.D.) who was also a champion weight lifter.> > BONUS #3> > BEATING DIABETES> > Do you or a loved one have diabetes? Is it in your family? You have a lot of company.> > I'll show you how to reverse diabetes and get well. Because no matter where you are in the progress of this disease, it can be reversed. You can be completely well again.> > Get the "Cure Your Cancer" book now and "Beating Diabetes" will be included free.> > BONUS #4> > CURE YOUR BACK PAIN> > Do you know anyone with back problems? So do I. For them, I have written a prescription for curing back pain permanently.> > Get this book free with "Cure Your Cancer" if you order NOW.> > LIFETIME GUARANTEE> > Yes, there is no risk. Because at any time, as long as I'm alive (at least another 30 years), I'll refund your $14.95 if you are not completely satisfied with this book. All you have to do is ask. No questions asked. No hassle. > > I live in San . My address and e-mail address are at the bottom of this screen. To call me, just dial 1-. I usually answer the phone myself. If not, I'll be there. That's my home office.> > Get this life-saving information for yourself or your loved ones by clicking here now. I will publish periodic newsletters to update the information in this book. These newsletters are archived on this web site.> > If you order the whole e-book, be sure to also sign up for my FREE newsletter at the top right of this screen.> > Click here now and get healthy again.> > Bill , Author of "Cure Your Cancer"> > P.S. Your successful use of these "alternative/complementary" treatments to permanently cure your cancer is my mission in life. I updated my book with all the latest information on January 8th, 2002.> > After you have read the e-book, please feel free to contact me by e-mail or phone if you have questions.> > B.H.> > P.P.S. Is this your first experience with an e-book (electronic book)? Have no fear. Hundreds of people have now read this book who were using the e-book technology for the first time. > > There are some major advantages. The main ones are: easy and frequent updates; convenience in accessing web sites while reading the book (you just click on the blue hyperlink); instant worldwide distribution; inexpensive "publishing."> > Help me help you by trying this new approach to getting you up-to-date information.> > B.H.> > > http://www.getandstaywell.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 However....was wondering if you could tell us some of the SPECIFIC things the book mentions (e.g. maybe a "book report" with YOUR impressions of the book, giving detail of what it discusses, or maybe just a listing of the alternative methods discussed would help if you don't want to write a lot) ******* SUREEEEEE I haven't read enough of this one to give much info yet but the last one I read was by Dr Schulze and he recommended (for incurables) things like Cleansing the colon (completely) and going RAW and Juicing veggies and fruit and Hydrotherapy and high enemas and body work..... ummmm let me think..... Oh yes...... liver and kidney cleanse.... a 30 day juice fast.... eat less often... no cooked foods.... drinking only distilled water, no sugar, no caffine, using Barley Green or Superfood, Basicly detoxing the body and supporting the immune system with things like Echinacea and Garlic...... taking herbs that get rid of cancer like: Chaparral, Red Clover, Garlic, Milk thistle (supports the liver), Cayenne (habeneros or african bird peppers), Poke berries, wild yam, wormwood, barberry etc. The book was AWESOME !!!! And well worth the $350 my friend paid for it. I have benefitted very much from it already. .. I wanna know what YOU think of the book, not just what the ad says... ****** okies...... soon as I read more I'll let you know Rayla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 >>$350 my friend paid for it WOW - I don't think I've ever seen a book that expensive.... >>taking herbs that get rid of cancer like: Chaparral, wormwood I would seriously recommend staying away from those - causes liver/brain damage http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-ill.html Chaparral, commonly called the creosote bush, is a desert shrub with a long history of use as a traditional medicine by Native Americans. Chaparral is marketed as a tea, as well as in tablet, capsule, and concentrated extract form, and has been promoted as a natural antioxidant " blood purifier, " cancer cure, and acne treatment. At least six cases (five in the United States and one in Canada) of acute non-viral hepatitis (rapidly developing liver damage) have been associated with the consumption of chaparral as a dietary supplement. Additional cases have been reported and are under investigation. In the majority of the cases reported thus far, the injury to the liver resolves over time, after discontinuation of the product. In at least two patients, however, there is evidence that chaparral consumption caused irreversible liver damage. One patient suffered terminal liver failure requiring liver transplant http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/absinthe/absinthe_law.shtml In the United States of America, absinthe was originally banned by Food Inspection Decision 147 in 1912. Now, thujone is banned as a food additive according to Section 801A of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act of August, 1972. Wormwood was included on a list of unsafe herbs which the FDA released in 1975. The European Community Codex Committee on Food Additives has restricted the levels of thujone to 0.5 ppm (mg/kg) in food and beverages, 10 ppm (mg/kg) in alcoholic beverages containing more than 25% alcohol, 5 ppm (mg/kg) in weaker alcoholic beverages, and 35 ppm in bitters. Absinthe was banned in Belgium in 1905, in Switzerland in 1907, in Italy in 1913, and in France in 1915. Absinthe (made with wormwood) is still available in Spain (contrary to Pendell (1995)) and reportedly in Denmark, Andorra, and Portugal as well. It has also recently become popular in the Czech Republic under the brand name " Hill's Absinth. " http://www.wormwood-absente.com/wormwood2.htm Known Adverse Effects: Depresses the central nervous system. Thujone causes mind-altering changes and may lead to psychosis. Increases stomach acidity. Warnings: Wormwood can be habit forming, like ethyl alcohol. Do NOT take if you are pregnant, think you may be pregnant, or plan pregnancy in the near future. The dangers outweigh any benefits. Don't use. Do NOT take if you are breast feeding. Dangers outweigh any possible benefits. Don't use. Do NOT allow the intake by infants or children. Children under 2 years of age consuming any herbal preparation is hazardous to their health. Keep away from children and store in a safe place. Absinthe, the alcoholic drink with wormwood, has been banned from most countries due to the alarming amount of adverse effects of this habit-forming drink, including hallucinations and epileptic-like convulsions. Toxicity: Large amounts of wormwood can be toxic to people, as well as worms. The chemical Thujone (absinthol) that this herb contains, is addictive and can damage the central nervous system. The United States FDA classifies the herb as " dangerous " . It is thought to interact with the same brain receptors as does marijuana (cannabis sativa). Products flavored with wormwood must contain thujone-free extracts. Rated slightly dangerous in many countries, particularly dangerous for children, persons over 55 years of age and those who take larger than appropriate quantities for extended periods of time. Adverse Reactions, Side Effects or Overdose Symptoms: Can cause insomnia, nightmares, vomiting. Convulsions - Seek emergency treatment immediately. Stupor - Seek emergency treatment immediately. Trembling - Discontinue use and call a doctor when convenient http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1998/dietchrt.html Herbal Ingredient: Wormwood Possible Health Hazards: neurological symptoms, characterized by numbness of legs and arms, loss of intellect, delirium, and paralysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Thanks !But I'm more afraid of modern medicine then I am natural LOL Rayla Re: Cure your Cancer >>$350 my friend paid for itWOW - I don't think I've ever seen a book that expensive....>>taking herbs that get rid of cancer like: Chaparral, wormwoodI would seriously recommend staying away from those - causes liver/brain damagehttp://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-ill.htmlChaparral, commonly called the creosote bush, is a desert shrub with a long history of use as a traditional medicine by Native Americans. Chaparral is marketed as a tea, as well as in tablet, capsule, and concentrated extract form, and has been promoted as a natural antioxidant "blood purifier," cancer cure, and acne treatment. At least six cases (five in the United States and one in Canada) of acute non-viral hepatitis (rapidly developing liver damage) have been associated with the consumption of chaparral as a dietary supplement. Additional cases have been reported and are under investigation. In the majority of the cases reported thus far, the injury to the liver resolves over time, after discontinuation of the product. In at least two patients, however, there is evidence that chaparral consumption caused irreversible liver damage. One patient suffered terminal liver failure requiring liver transplanthttp://www.erowid.org/chemicals/absinthe/absinthe_law.shtmlIn the United States of America, absinthe was originally banned by Food Inspection Decision 147 in 1912. Now, thujone is banned as a food additive according to Section 801A of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act of August, 1972. Wormwood was included on a list of unsafe herbs which the FDA released in 1975.The European Community Codex Committee on Food Additives has restricted the levels of thujone to 0.5 ppm (mg/kg) in food and beverages, 10 ppm (mg/kg) in alcoholic beverages containing more than 25% alcohol, 5 ppm (mg/kg) in weaker alcoholic beverages, and 35 ppm in bitters. Absinthe was banned in Belgium in 1905, in Switzerland in 1907, in Italy in 1913, and in France in 1915.Absinthe (made with wormwood) is still available in Spain (contrary to Pendell (1995)) and reportedly in Denmark, Andorra, and Portugal as well. It has also recently become popular in the Czech Republic under the brand name "Hill's Absinth." http://www.wormwood-absente.com/wormwood2.htmKnown Adverse Effects: Depresses the central nervous system. Thujone causes mind-altering changes and may lead to psychosis. Increases stomach acidity. Warnings: Wormwood can be habit forming, like ethyl alcohol. Do NOT take if you are pregnant, think you may be pregnant, or plan pregnancy in the near future. The dangers outweigh any benefits. Don't use. Do NOT take if you are breast feeding. Dangers outweigh any possible benefits. Don't use. Do NOT allow the intake by infants or children. Children under 2 years of age consuming any herbal preparation is hazardous to their health. Keep away from children and store in a safe place. Absinthe, the alcoholic drink with wormwood, has been banned from most countries due to the alarming amount of adverse effects of this habit-forming drink, including hallucinations and epileptic-like convulsions. Toxicity: Large amounts of wormwood can be toxic to people, as well as worms. The chemical Thujone (absinthol) that this herb contains, is addictive and can damage the central nervous system. The United States FDA classifies the herb as "dangerous". It is thought to interact with the same brain receptors as does marijuana (cannabis sativa). Products flavored with wormwood must contain thujone-free extracts. Rated slightly dangerous in many countries, particularly dangerous for children, persons over 55 years of age and those who take larger than appropriate quantities for extended periods of time. Adverse Reactions, Side Effects or Overdose Symptoms: Can cause insomnia, nightmares, vomiting. Convulsions - Seek emergency treatment immediately. Stupor - Seek emergency treatment immediately. Trembling - Discontinue use and call a doctor when convenient http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1998/dietchrt.htmlHerbal Ingredient: WormwoodPossible Health Hazards: neurological symptoms, characterized by numbness of legs and arms, loss of intellect, delirium, and paralysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 In a message dated 2/17/02 2:04:24 AM Central Standard Time, cat_quilts@... writes: << But I'm more afraid of modern medicine then I am natural LOL Rayla >> So am I , but I will not put all my egg's in one basket. That is why I am doing complementry also after much research on each product. Another herb touted is " Milk thistle " , But did you know that it also protects your liver from chemo??????? Not good for those of us that have tumors in the liver. You have to really careful not to protect your tumors from the chemo with alternatives. Please don't believe all you read. Research it for yourself! Ok, I think we made the point............just looking out for you! ;-) Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi Rayla, Somebody pointed out there is a joke here, and when I stopped to think about it, I really had to laugh! QUESTION: Whaddya get if you mix Chapparal with Wormwood? ANSWER: Homemade Oxaliplatin! (for the " uninitiated " , oxaliplatin is an experimental chemotherapy for colon cancer which may cause nerve damage if taken in high enough doses for too long) But seriously, I really DO believe some herbs may be very beneficial. For more info on wormwood (specifically, there are some anti-malarial drugs derived from it which apparently have anti-cancer effects as well and MIGHT avoid the neurotoxicity), see posts 110,111,114 on http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/experimentalandunconventional It's not herbs or alt med which makes me nervous....its the " cancer personalities " (i.e. the " Medical Messiahs " ) that bother me. Some of these people (I didn't say ALL of them) are clearly out and out frauds who are raking in thousands of dollars from naive patients desperate for a " cure " . It may also be quite difficult to distinguish the frauds from the honest ones, so that's why it is very important to look at ALL SIDES of the issue, INCLUDING that of the government/FDA/AMA. BOTH SIDES HAVE MADE SOME VALID POINTS!!! The more you get into this (well, I'm hoping YOU don't have to get into this because just maybe your colonoscopy is going to come out CLEAR), the more murky it all becomes....there is TONS of room for HONEST DISAGREEMENT about much of it because so little is known.... FOR EXAMPLE, KAREN SAYS: >Another herb > touted is " Milk thistle " , But did you know that it also protects your liver > from chemo??????? On the other hand this would indicate otherwise Silibinin protects against cisplatin-induced nephrotoxicity without compromising cisplatin or ifosfamide anti-tumour activity Br J Cancer 1996 Dec;74(12):2036-41 PMID: 8980410 which you can read if you go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/ and type in the PMID number (8980410). ( - do you have any refs supporting the position that Milk Thistle may compromise the effects of chemo - if so I can add to my webpage!) But I think that ALL SIDES will agree on the following: SURGERY IS THE BEST STARTING POINT FOR CANCER THERAPY IF IT IS POSSIBLE. Unfortunately it is NOT always possible, so if you have this option you should consider yourself VERY LUCKY and NOT throw away this VERY REAL CHANCE FOR CURE. There are also some quite good " ABLATIVE " TECHNIQUES which are pretty easy and can be done as an alternative to surgery OUTSIDE OF THE COLON " sometimes " (RF Ablation, Stereotactic Radioablation). But for the PRIMARY colon tumor, SURGERY IS YOUR BEST CHANCE AT SURVIVAL!!!! Tell me a little more of what you mean by this > << But I'm more afraid of modern medicine then I am natural What part are you MOST afraid of? Best Wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 hee hee oh dear I sure can understand your concern about people claiming to have medical knowledge ! I guess all any of us can do is to do the best we can do and trust God with the rest. Thanks for all the info ! Rayla Re: Cure your Cancer Hi Rayla,Somebody pointed out there is a joke here, and when I stopped to think about it, I really had to laugh!QUESTION: Whaddya get if you mix Chapparal with Wormwood?ANSWER: Homemade Oxaliplatin! (for the "uninitiated", oxaliplatin is an experimental chemotherapy for colon cancer which may cause nerve damage if taken in high enough doses for too long)But seriously, I really DO believe some herbs may be very beneficial. For more info on wormwood (specifically, there are some anti-malarial drugs derived from it which apparently have anti-cancer effects as well and MIGHT avoid the neurotoxicity), see posts 110,111,114 on http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/experimentalandunconventionalIt's not herbs or alt med which makes me nervous....its the "cancer personalities" (i.e. the "Medical Messiahs") that bother me. Some of these people (I didn't say ALL of them) are clearly out and out frauds who are raking in thousands of dollars from naive patients desperate for a "cure". It may also be quite difficult to distinguish the frauds from the honest ones, so that's why it is very important to look at ALL SIDES of the issue, INCLUDING that of the government/FDA/AMA. BOTH SIDES HAVE MADE SOME VALID POINTS!!! The more you get into this (well, I'm hoping YOU don't have to get into this because just maybe your colonoscopy is going to come out CLEAR), the more murky it all becomes....there is TONS of room for HONEST DISAGREEMENT about much of it because so little is known....FOR EXAMPLE, KAREN SAYS:>Another herb > touted is "Milk thistle ", But did you know that it also protects your liver > from chemo??????? On the other hand this would indicate otherwiseSilibinin protects against cisplatin-induced nephrotoxicity without compromising cisplatin or ifosfamide anti-tumour activityBr J Cancer 1996 Dec;74(12):2036-41 PMID: 8980410 which you can read if you go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/and type in the PMID number (8980410).( - do you have any refs supporting the position that Milk Thistle may compromise the effects of chemo - if so I can add to my webpage!)But I think that ALL SIDES will agree on the following: SURGERY IS THE BEST STARTING POINT FOR CANCER THERAPY IF IT IS POSSIBLE. Unfortunately it is NOT always possible, so if you have this option you should consider yourself VERY LUCKY and NOT throw away this VERY REAL CHANCE FOR CURE. There are also some quite good "ABLATIVE" TECHNIQUES which are pretty easy and can be done as an alternative to surgery OUTSIDE OF THE COLON "sometimes" (RF Ablation, Stereotactic Radioablation). But for the PRIMARY colon tumor, SURGERY IS YOUR BEST CHANCE AT SURVIVAL!!!!Tell me a little more of what you mean by this> << But I'm more afraid of modern medicine then I am naturalWhat part are you MOST afraid of?Best Wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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