Yeast//Thanks for articles

[Guest guest]

,

I appreciate the articles especially because I happen

to have aspergillus and have been taking lamisil for

it for 9 months. I did not know about that

antidepressant and its influence on that particular

yeast/mold. It is always good to know stuff about

one's own condition. And it is great that you are

looking on the internet and ever other place for

answers.

You are having a really bad time and I hope you can

get better quickly. Unfortunately a lot of people have

a really hard time finding the way to get better. You

seem to be well ahead of most. This doesn't have

anythng much to do with you but I am wondering if

anybody has take anti inflammatory medications for the

inflammation in vulvar disorders--like celebrex or

feldene (has gluten in it) or even does ibuprofen work

as it is a great drug. Just curious as it is for

certain some pain relief seems to be called for and

the heavy hitters are not for me. I wonder if anybody

has ever been prescribed oral cortizone to see it it

helps at all (prednizone). You sound like you have so

much inflammation.

Arline

Arline

--- femifesto wrote:

>

> Hi Arline and everyone--

>

> I have constant burning pain along with a very

> sensitive, swelling feeling. The burning is

> inside the labia and around the vaginal opening. The

> itching and general discomfort spans

> the whole groin area to the extent that I can't wear

> any pants. I also have IBS--which for

> me consists of painful bloating, constipation and

> very weak digestion.

>

> I think I've explained this before on the list, but

> I had an episode, about four years ago, of

> intense V pain like this which lasted for about 5

> months. I was directed to the yeast theory,

> eventually saw specialty doctors and had proper

> stool tests and diagnosis, began following

> a gluten-free, sugar-free, yeast-free, dairy-free

> diet and my V symptoms subsided. I was

> left with severe IBS problems.

>

> After a long time of having no V symptoms, I felt

> confident that I was free of yeast and,

> though I never went back to eating as I did before,

> added most things back into my diet. I

> was fine, V-wise, for 3-4 years, until this December

> when it all came back. I had began

> taking prozac in the meantime because the health

> problems (IBS) drove me into very deep

> depression and anxiety, I was always very against

> those drugs but felt desperate and

> didn't want to end up dead.

>

> After feeling great for about a year and a half,

> mentally and physically, I decided it was

> time to go off the drugs. Well, all was well until I

> got what I thought was a simple yeast

> infection. Well, that was in December and, after

> many anti-fungal regiments, I still have

> those symptoms. I've thought since then that

> stopping the drugs had something to do

> with the onset of my symptoms. I could be wrong, it

> could be coincidental, but I've felt

> that. I came across these articles about the

> anti-fungal properties of SSRIs.

>

>

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/6/775?

>

ijkey=471485dc1c705ef48717a025263fa12e70742d76 & keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

>

>

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/51/4/1045

>

> So I thought well maybe I was staving off any yeast

> issues without knowing it all this time

> by taking prozac...and now that I've stopped and

> have sugar etc. in my diet it all came

> back. So I did a twenty day trial of a sugar-free,

> yeast-free, dairy-free, gluten-free diet. In

> the meantime I was feeling close to suicide from the

> pain so I started the prozac again

> (was also hoping it might stop the pain).

>

> Though I did have some pain-free days during the 20

> day diet, since I was still in pain I

> concluded it wasn't helping. I've since opened up my

> diet to include some gluten and fruit

> and a little half and half in my coffee. My symptoms

> are definitely worse. So now I think,

> well, maybe that diet was helping I just didn't give

> it long enough of a trial to see. It's just

> SOOO difficult, time consuming and isolating it's

> hard to keep up unless it seems to be

> helping. I wish we could all live together and do it

> together! Then it would be easy to

> follow!

>

> Anyway, so here I am. I am really in pain. Nearly

> unable to work. I'm afraid my relationship

> is going to fall apart. I am SOO afraid that I won't

> find a way to end this pain. This is

> maybe waaaay more than you wanted to know. My basic

> symptoms are listed in the first

> paragraph...

>

> I really truly appreciate all of your help and

> input. It helps so much just to know I'm not

> the only person in the world who's been through this

> kind of thing.

>

> Love

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I don't even think about allergy with these

> vulvar

> > > > problems usually. Everybody should be allergic

> to

> > > > candida I think and I have no idea why your

> test

> > > > didn't show a reaction but it could be the

> serum

> > > was

> > > > bad or any number of things. Tests and testing

> are

> > > > just not perfect even though they give them to

> > > you. I

> > > > just posted that article because so many

> people

> > > think

> > > > food has little to do with vulvar pain. Also

> > > vaginitis

> > > > is very different I think from vv and vvs.

> Plus

> > > these

> > > > words are often used interchangeably just to

> > > confuse

> > > > us all. One can be allergic to a food and also

> can

> > > be

> > > > intolerant or have other kinds of reactions to

> it.

> > > My

> > > > son when tested was allergic to over a hundred

> > > > antigens and in fact every thing they tested

> him

> > > for

> > > > except one and that was a grass that doesn't

> even

> > > grow

> > > > in the US. We now know he has Celiac Disease

> which

> > > > creates hyper allergic responses in people as

> well

> > > as

> > > > other responses.

> > > >

> > > > The cross reaction of yeast and gluten, if

> that is

> > > > what it is, is a much more complex reaction

> than

> > > most

> > > > allergy reactions I think. It means that the

> body

> > > > reacts the same way to both of them. There are

> > > > different kinds of immune reactions. I tend to

> > > think

> > > > of IgA reactions. I am however not even very

> > > informed

> > > > about the different kinds of reactions but

> > > allergists

>

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[Guest guest]

Just to say there was a woman who had to take an oral steroid for other problems and she has LS and it 'did' relieve that pain for her unexpectedly. Though it's certainly not something I'd want to stay on long term because of other side effects.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Arline--

I'm glad you found the articles worthwhile...personally I was shocked when I

read them,

and finally understood why I had such an intense recurrence of symptoms when I

went off

of Prozac.

I'm curious, how did you find out you had aspergillus, what kind of doctor are

you working

with, and has the Lamisil been helping? The last doctor I went to gave me

Lamisil to take

every 3 days...I don't want to do that though until I have a culture and

sensitivity done to

see if there's any yeast left (I've taken SOO many antifungals) and if so what

would be

effective in getting rid of it.

It seems like you are feeling much better than you were at one time, and it's

nice to know

that someone got relief after so much suffering!

Thanks

Love,

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't even think about allergy with these

> > vulvar

> > > > > problems usually. Everybody should be allergic

> > to

> > > > > candida I think and I have no idea why your

> > test

> > > > > didn't show a reaction but it could be the

> > serum

> > > > was

> > > > > bad or any number of things. Tests and testing

> > are

> > > > > just not perfect even though they give them to

> > > > you. I

> > > > > just posted that article because so many

> > people

> > > > think

> > > > > food has little to do with vulvar pain. Also

> > > > vaginitis

> > > > > is very different I think from vv and vvs.

> > Plus

> > > > these

> > > > > words are often used interchangeably just to

> > > > confuse

> > > > > us all. One can be allergic to a food and also

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > intolerant or have other kinds of reactions to

> > it.

> > > > My

> > > > > son when tested was allergic to over a hundred

> > > > > antigens and in fact every thing they tested

> > him

> > > > for

> > > > > except one and that was a grass that doesn't

> > even

> > > > grow

> > > > > in the US. We now know he has Celiac Disease

> > which

> > > > > creates hyper allergic responses in people as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > other responses.

> > > > >

> > > > > The cross reaction of yeast and gluten, if

> > that is

> > > > > what it is, is a much more complex reaction

> > than

> > > > most

> > > > > allergy reactions I think. It means that the

> > body

> > > > > reacts the same way to both of them. There are

> > > > > different kinds of immune reactions. I tend to

> > > > think

> > > > > of IgA reactions. I am however not even very

> > > > informed

> > > > > about the different kinds of reactions but

> > > > allergists

> >

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>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My large toenail turned white on the side and into the

cuticle and it looked kind of loose so I figured that

I had a fungus there just like on all the ads we see

and I went to my family doctor (I guess that it what

she is called) and showed her. Surprisingly to me, (I

never expect much anymore), LOL, she trimmed my

toenails and took some skin in several places around

the nails and sent it to be biopsied. She called and

said that among all the other normal things (and I

don't know what that might be as she gave me the lab

report which only said aspergillus) that I had

aspergillus.

When I go back about every three months for whatever

else seems to crop up all the time and to get a new

prescription for Lamisil, I just tell her that it

doesn't look like it is grown out yet. She agrees and

writes another prescription. I am supposed to have a

blood test every 6 weeks which she hasn't made me do

allthe time thank heavens--only about every three

months. I had told her that I had in the past had

chronic vaginal yeast infection and asked if

aspergillus could form in the vagina. Her answer

indicated she didn't really know but that it colonized

in closed places like the lungs.

It is almost nine months now and my nails are still

not grown out and they still don't look healthy, so I

don't know what is next. I will say that I love taking

the lamisil as I have never been so free of vaginal

infections and have never really been able to get

enough antifungal to take care of them. I don't think

perhaps there are enough--laugh!

Gluten and Candida are so close as to be sisters and

the body as you know, cross reacts to both of these

things. I don't eat gluten ever intentionally. I have

been cheating with eating dairy --cottage cheese--love

it with flax seed oil--seems like a small sin--but it

is really bad for me I know and I have wondered if

dairy products might also be another food that reacts

with candida but I don't know that. (I'll bet it does

but then I am a little obsessed). I think that

sometime in the past I read an article tht indicated

dairy is another thing that cross reacts to candida

but I may have dreamed it since I can't find it.

Yes, I feel much much better and have for several

years since I found out what I had. I really have no

vulvar or vaginal problems or pain from Lichen

Sclerosis, clitoral pain, burning stinging, etc., and

appear to be entirely normal except for the

reoccurring yeast. (nasty buggers).

You are really being very intelligent about all this

and the way you are examining everything in my mind. I

really like reading articles about this stuff and hope

that you stay around awhile and keep looking for them.

LOL

Love,

Arline

--- femifesto wrote:

> Hi Arline--

>

> I'm glad you found the articles

> worthwhile...personally I was shocked when I read

> them,

> and finally understood why I had such an intense

> recurrence of symptoms when I went off

> of Prozac.

>

> I'm curious, how did you find out you had

> aspergillus, what kind of doctor are you working

> with, and has the Lamisil been helping? The last

> doctor I went to gave me Lamisil to take

> every 3 days...I don't want to do that though until

> I have a culture and sensitivity done to

> see if there's any yeast left (I've taken SOO many

> antifungals) and if so what would be

> effective in getting rid of it.

>

> It seems like you are feeling much better than you

> were at one time, and it's nice to know

> that someone got relief after so much suffering!

>

> Thanks

> Love,

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Arline and everyone--

> > >

> > > I have constant burning pain along with a very

> > > sensitive, swelling feeling. The burning is

> > > inside the labia and around the vaginal opening.

> The

> > > itching and general discomfort spans

> > > the whole groin area to the extent that I can't

> wear

> > > any pants. I also have IBS--which for

> > > me consists of painful bloating, constipation

> and

> > > very weak digestion.

> > >

> > > I think I've explained this before on the list,

> but

> > > I had an episode, about four years ago, of

> > > intense V pain like this which lasted for about

> 5

> > > months. I was directed to the yeast theory,

> > > eventually saw specialty doctors and had proper

> > > stool tests and diagnosis, began following

> > > a gluten-free, sugar-free, yeast-free,

> dairy-free

> > > diet and my V symptoms subsided. I was

> > > left with severe IBS problems.

> > >

> > > After a long time of having no V symptoms, I

> felt

> > > confident that I was free of yeast and,

> > > though I never went back to eating as I did

> before,

> > > added most things back into my diet. I

> > > was fine, V-wise, for 3-4 years, until this

> December

> > > when it all came back. I had began

> > > taking prozac in the meantime because the health

> > > problems (IBS) drove me into very deep

> > > depression and anxiety, I was always very

> against

> > > those drugs but felt desperate and

> > > didn't want to end up dead.

> > >

> > > After feeling great for about a year and a half,

> > > mentally and physically, I decided it was

> > > time to go off the drugs. Well, all was well

> until I

> > > got what I thought was a simple yeast

> > > infection. Well, that was in December and, after

> > > many anti-fungal regiments, I still have

> > > those symptoms. I've thought since then that

> > > stopping the drugs had something to do

> > > with the onset of my symptoms. I could be wrong,

> it

> > > could be coincidental, but I've felt

> > > that. I came across these articles about the

> > > anti-fungal properties of SSRIs.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/6/775?

> > >

> >

>

ijkey=471485dc1c705ef48717a025263fa12e70742d76 & keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/51/4/1045

> > >

> > > So I thought well maybe I was staving off any

> yeast

> > > issues without knowing it all this time

> > > by taking prozac...and now that I've stopped and

> > > have sugar etc. in my diet it all came

> > > back. So I did a twenty day trial of a

> sugar-free,

> > > yeast-free, dairy-free, gluten-free diet. In

> > > the meantime I was feeling close to suicide from

> the

> > > pain so I started the prozac again

> > > (was also hoping it might stop the pain).

> > >

> > > Though I did have some pain-free days during the

> 20

> > > day diet, since I was still in pain I

> > > concluded it wasn't helping. I've since opened

> up my

> > > diet to include some gluten and fruit

> > > and a little half and half in my coffee. My

> symptoms

> > > are definitely worse. So now I think,

> > > well, maybe that diet was helping I just didn't

> give

> > > it long enough of a trial to see. It's just

> > > SOOO difficult, time consuming and isolating

> it's

> > > hard to keep up unless it seems to be

> > > helping. I wish we could all live together and

> do it

> > > together! Then it would be easy to

> > > follow!

> > >

> > > Anyway, so here I am. I am really in pain.

> Nearly

> > > unable to work. I'm afraid my relationship

> > > is going to fall apart. I am SOO afraid that I

> won't

> > > find a way to end this pain. This is

> > > maybe waaaay more than you wanted to know. My

> basic

> > > symptoms are listed in the first

> > > paragraph...

> > >

> > > I really truly appreciate all of your help and

> > > input. It helps so much just to know I'm not

> > > the only person in the world who's been through

> this

> > > kind of thing.

> > >

> > > Love

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

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