Re: armour...hypo...docs...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/30/2004 12:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Astrodiana@... writes:

> But everything in our food and environment and in the

> stress of this fast paced life itself is constantly throwing off our

> perfect balance. to me - it is ALL ABOUT hormones

,

This is what I have come to believe too. I believe we stand a far better

chance of staying disease free if our hormones are all in balance. But like you

mentioned, this has become almost impossible because of environmental

pollutants and today's world.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

i mentioned Armour to my doc and she said, " You are thin. If you were to take

armour and it is not the problem, it could cause heart attack... " I gathered she

is REALLY reluctant over any thyroid med unless the labs will show otherwise....

I have armour in hand, READY to fire. ;o) i am tired of being tired and

depressed and anxious! ;o)

she says it is ALL hormone related. is that possible?

[Guest guest]

> i mentioned Armour to my doc and she said, " You are thin. If you

were to take armour and it is not the problem, it could cause heart

attack... " I gathered she is REALLY reluctant over any thyroid med

unless the labs will show otherwise....

>

> I have armour in hand, READY to fire. ;o) i am tired of being tired

and depressed and anxious! ;o)

>

> she says it is ALL hormone related. is that possible?

>

>

- thyroid is a hormone, and the adrenals make several

homrones...so in a way, she's right...if she is alluding to female

hormones only, well....I kind of doubt it. do you have any recent

labs on thyroid, etc??

[Guest guest]

got blood drawn today...dont worry - i will post results when i get them....;o)

Re: armour...hypo...docs...

> i mentioned Armour to my doc and she said, " You are thin. If you

were to take armour and it is not the problem, it could cause heart

attack... " I gathered she is REALLY reluctant over any thyroid med

unless the labs will show otherwise....

>

> I have armour in hand, READY to fire. ;o) i am tired of being tired

and depressed and anxious! ;o)

>

> she says it is ALL hormone related. is that possible?

>

>

- thyroid is a hormone, and the adrenals make several

homrones...so in a way, she's right...if she is alluding to female

hormones only, well....I kind of doubt it. do you have any recent

labs on thyroid, etc??

[Guest guest]

> i mentioned Armour to my doc and she said, " You are thin. If you

were to take armour and it is not the problem, it could cause heart

attack... " I gathered she is REALLY reluctant over any thyroid med

unless the labs will show otherwise....

>

> I have armour in hand, READY to fire. ;o) i am tired of being tired

and depressed and anxious! ;o)

>

> she says it is ALL hormone related. is that possible?

>

>

I know a few VERY THIN girls with hypothyroidism, but with them it is

first and foremost adrenals - they go to my doctor. He says he has

to take it slower with them and thyroid homrones, becase they are on

such a fine balance with the tired adrenals...when adrenals are

really burned out, the Armour doesn't help a whole lot until you make

them stronger. but incidentally, it seems to me that testosterone is

something a lot of the thin girls are on - don't know really what

that means, but maybe they are naturally higher in testosterone..they

say the normal range for teststosterone in women is 2-20 mg! quite a

huge range, I think.

[Guest guest]

> i mentioned Armour to my doc and she said, " You are thin. If you

were to take armour and it is not the problem, it could cause heart

attack... " I gathered she is REALLY reluctant over any thyroid med

unless the labs will show otherwise....

>

, I was 94lbs when my doc prescribed it to me. I don't think

thin has anything to do with having a heart attack. If you have an

underlying heart condition, or OD'ed...yeah, I'll buy that any

thyroid hormone can cause trouble. But the average person does not

drop dead at the onset of HYPER. They kept my hyper on T4 for 7

months and it didn't kill me. I lost 10lbs, got a heart murmur out of

the deal and it ruined my life and accelerated my other disease. But

you are likely smarter than me and won't take it if that happens.

They swore up and down it wasn't the pills to me, causing all my

problems, and I tried to believe that...if you go hyper, love, you

will know.

>

> she says it is ALL hormone related. is that possible?

Anything is possible. The question is...is it probable. When you say

you are thin...how thin? I mean, I hear ya, I am hypo and unmedicated

for a year and am still under 90lbs. Not all hypo people gain weight

with it. Most do. I cannot gain weight due to other health problems.

Hormones throw your whole body out of balance if they are out of

balance. The question is...what threw the hormones out of balance to

begin with? We all want answers. Docs are not always bright enough to

provide them. We don't need to be a genius, and they don't need to

know everything...but the tunnel vision of these folks and the apathy

and the assumptions are what always bug me about " its hormones " ....

tell me WHY then....

well we don't KNOW....

OK well, find out, is that not why I employ you as my health

consultant?! To know more than me?

[Guest guest]

i am 5' 10 " and weigh 140 but i look thinner than that - so people tell me.

probably because i exercise regularly and lift weights. i am probably thin

because of stress - when life gets difficult i lose my appetite (most women i

know eat - i do just the opposite). i used to weigh a whole lot more 20 years

ago, then lost it and never looked back.

when you face deeper, emotional issues, in yourself, and work through them and

then try to embark into life on a more healthy keel, it is stressful. because of

past issues, relationships stress the living snot out of me. (and i know i am

speaking to the choir here - lets all sing in unison from our joint pity

party!!! tee hee)

so, as for many of us - what causes what, ya know? how much is emotional?

spiritual?physical (in all seriousness, i know i am going to write a book some

day covering ALL bases. society is too myopic - churches tell you it is all

spiritual; shrinks tell you you are psychotic and put you on meds; physicians

tell you you need meds; nutritionists tell you to eat more fruits and veggies;

counselors tell you to heal the inner child....and, frankly, with the excpetion

of now looking at possible thyroid/adrenal issues, I HAVE DONE ALL OF THE ABOVE

and i am STILL depressed....ugh...;o))

so where was i? um, i dont know. just really searching.......;o)

it is all a conondrum....a web through which we meander, hoping and praying to

find the answer that works for US. it is like trying on shoes...one pair of one

brand may fit me but will NEVER fit you....we are not cookie cutter hormonal

women so we each embark on our own journey, cheering eachother along as we

sometimes fall, get BACK up, fall AGAIN, only to move a little more closer to

that finish line called " emotional health and freedom! " ;o)

karen

[Guest guest]

> so, as for many of us - what causes what, ya know? how much is

emotional? spiritual?physical (in all seriousness, i know i am going

to write a book some day covering ALL bases. society is too myopic -

churches tell you it is all spiritual; shrinks tell you you are

psychotic and put you on meds; physicians tell you you need meds;

nutritionists tell you to eat more fruits and veggies; counselors

tell you to heal the inner child....and, frankly, with the excpetion

of now looking at possible thyroid/adrenal issues, I HAVE DONE ALL OF

THE ABOVE and i am STILL depressed....ugh...;o))

the hormones from what I have been able to gather are responsible for

EVERYTHING working as it should in our bodies and therefore,

responsible for our health or lack thereof. I remember a brief

period when my doctor pronounced me homeostatic - which means all my

hormones seemed to be working together and in the proper balance to

one another...life was wonderful - I was happy and in the moment -

didn't fret about yesterday or worry about tomorrow..my temp was

NORMAL for the first and last time i can remember - I can go down the

checklist of every possible thing in my body, mind and even my spirit

and tell you that life was not only good, it was PERFECT. Disease of

any kind - the state of not being health - cause dis-ease, mental and

physical and emotional. Our bodies signal us when all is not right.

And I think the hormonal cascade is meant to keep everything as it

should be. But everything in our food and environment and in the

stress of this fast paced life itself is constantly throwing off our

perfect balance. to me - it is ALL ABOUT hormones.

[Guest guest]

>

> when you face deeper, emotional issues, in yourself, and work

through them and then try to embark into life on a more healthy keel,

it is stressful. because of past issues, relationships stress the

living snot out of me. (and i know i am speaking to the choir here -

lets all sing in unison from our joint pity party!!! tee hee)

>

,

I use a version the AA 12 steps to recovery/serenity to deal with all

issues in my life and have never been an alchaholic. It can be

applied to all areas of life.

Just so you know, its working for me, no meds.

I got too sick, the husband divorced me. The bf a few years down the

road dumped me for a healthy chic. I have a family in denial that

there is anything wrong with me. And, I'm completely disabled,and am

waiting on disability. I have no income, lost my home, my job, my

health, etc etc.

Serenity. KNowing that there are things in life that you cannot

change, other peoples actions, other peoples feelings...I am

responsible for ME emotionally now and no one else except my child.

Thats it. Not that I do not love or have compassion. I do. But I do

not rest space to any feelings that are not from me or my stuff. Its

easier said than done for sure. I'm not saying I never cry. I do. But

my perspective changed, and this made me cope.

Its just a thought. Most people get to a point where they are tired

of being sad and depressed, and its not longer a place to hide. If

you are looking for what other people have done to fight back against

depression, that's my way, and I can only speak for me.

[Guest guest]

Well , I just love love this piece of mail, it says it all.

Re: Re: armour...hypo...docs...

> i am 5' 10 " and weigh 140 but i look thinner than that - so people tell

me. probably because i exercise regularly and lift weights. i am probably

thin because of stress - when life gets difficult i lose my appetite (most

women i know eat - i do just the opposite). i used to weigh a whole lot more

20 years ago, then lost it and never looked back.

>

> when you face deeper, emotional issues, in yourself, and work through them

and then try to embark into life on a more healthy keel, it is stressful.

because of past issues, relationships stress the living snot out of me. (and

i know i am speaking to the choir here - lets all sing in unison from our

joint pity party!!! tee hee)

>

> so, as for many of us - what causes what, ya know? how much is emotional?

spiritual?physical (in all seriousness, i know i am going to write a book

some day covering ALL bases. society is too myopic - churches tell you it is

all spiritual; shrinks tell you you are psychotic and put you on meds;

physicians tell you you need meds; nutritionists tell you to eat more fruits

and veggies; counselors tell you to heal the inner child....and, frankly,

with the excpetion of now looking at possible thyroid/adrenal issues, I HAVE

DONE ALL OF THE ABOVE and i am STILL depressed....ugh...;o))

>

> so where was i? um, i dont know. just really searching.......;o)

>

> it is all a conondrum....a web through which we meander, hoping and

praying to find the answer that works for US. it is like trying on

shoes...one pair of one brand may fit me but will NEVER fit you....we are

not cookie cutter hormonal women so we each embark on our own journey,

cheering eachother along as we sometimes fall, get BACK up, fall AGAIN, only

to move a little more closer to that finish line called " emotional health

and freedom! " ;o)

>

> karen

[Guest guest]

In response to 's thoughts about my thinness pointing to adernals and not

thyroid:

Well, I am taking 2.5 delta now - have been doing it for a week now. Dont notice

any changes. Was going to start Armour in another week, but am now waiting for

the blood results.

I dont think doc was too impressed that I was taking the delta and seemed really

" down " on the armour, but I think she knew to bite her tongue. (she is new in

town and wants to keep patients. I want to give her benefit of the doubt for I

truly feel she will work WITH me and may have insights I have not considered -

need to be open to her thoughts too. *wink*)

She is convinced that once I get on the progesterone, all my probs will float

away. Oh my. Could it be that simple???? She said to start the prometrium on day

11....I may start sooner...

Oh and yes, been through the 12 steps a couple of times. GOOD STUFF. You

reminded me - may not hurt to re read the book!!!! Each new experience in life

ushers in some issues that could use " the program " . *smile*

love

k