Re: Need some help with decision

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne -

IMO, I would say chelate. I took a break but only because my liver

felt clogged and I noticed more side effects. After juicing and

epsom salt baths, sweating, etc., my liver feels more clear so I am

restarting. To me, that is the only reason to take a break. I

don't think Andy would say the same thing - I think he would say

chelate anyway. Well, anyway, I'm going back on chelation this week

because I know that will help get rid of the Hg. It sounds like it

is the same with you. Your symptoms sound like they are Hg-related,

so chelation is probably your best bet in my opinion. I hope things

get better for you. Hang in there! :-D

M

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

feeling

> very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

turning

> back.

>

> Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

experiencing

> new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some days

I'm

> OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

>

> I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

week

> and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

diagnosed

> with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

other

> things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

>

> Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

Seagreens

> which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

shouldn't

> have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

as

> I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which I

> generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

supposed

> to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> I just turned down another friend's offer of going out socialising

thiw

> week.

> I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

basicaly

> just weird in my head!

>

> So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low dose

of

> DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

starting on

> this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

carry

> on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

make

> things worse?!

>

> I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this to

> someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

if

> they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

it.

>

> Thanks

> Anne

[Guest guest]

I vote to chelate also. I have the mood swings that you are describing,

as I am chelating with ALA only, but I find I can control them by

keeping up on the supplements that Andy recommends. zinc, C, Mag,

Molybdenum, and other stuff but you are already taking some of them.

Jean

> Hi Anne -

>

> IMO, I would say chelate.  I took a break but only because my liver

> felt clogged and I noticed more side effects.  After juicing and

> epsom salt baths, sweating, etc., my liver feels more clear so I am

> restarting.  To me, that is the only reason to take a break.  I

> don't think Andy would say the same thing - I think he would say

> chelate anyway.  Well, anyway, I'm going back on chelation this week

> because I know that will help get rid of the Hg.  It sounds like it

> is the same with you.  Your symptoms sound like they are Hg-related,

> so chelation is probably your best bet in my opinion.  I hope things

> get better for you.  Hang in there!  :-D

>

> M

>

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

> feeling

> > very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

> turning

> > back.

> >

> > Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

> experiencing

> > new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> > apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations.  Some days

> I'm

> > OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

> >

> > I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

> week

> > and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

> diagnosed

> > with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

> other

> > things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

> >

> > Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

> Seagreens

> > which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

> shouldn't

> > have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

> as

> > I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which I

> > generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

> supposed

> > to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> > I just turned down another friend's offer of going out socialising

> thiw

> > week.

> > I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

> basicaly

> > just weird in my head!

> >

> > So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low dose

> of

> > DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

> starting on

> > this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

> carry

> > on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

> make

> > things worse?!

> >

> > I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this to

> > someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

> if

> > they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

> it.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anne

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for your reply!

Yes it makes total sense what you say. I suppose the problem is

knowing when the liver is 'ready' as I suppose it's going to be

clogged up anyway due to the mercury.

You made me think I probably need to do a bit more unclogging too,

otherwise perhaps I wouldn't have reacted that much to the seagreens.

Good luck when you start again this week, and you hang in there

too!

Anne

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

> feeling

> > very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

> turning

> > back.

> >

> > Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

> experiencing

> > new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> > apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some

days

> I'm

> > OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

> >

> > I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

> week

> > and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

> diagnosed

> > with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

> other

> > things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

> >

> > Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

> Seagreens

> > which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

> shouldn't

> > have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

> as

> > I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which

I

> > generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

> supposed

> > to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> > I just turned down another friend's offer of going out

socialising

> thiw

> > week.

> > I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

> basicaly

> > just weird in my head!

> >

> > So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low

dose

> of

> > DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

> starting on

> > this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

> carry

> > on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

> make

> > things worse?!

> >

> > I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this

to

> > someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

> if

> > they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

> it.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anne

[Guest guest]

Thanks ....you're reply was really helpful!

I think what I will do is just work on my liver maybe for up to a

week and start chelating then.

Anne

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

> > feeling

> > > very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

> > turning

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

> > experiencing

> > > new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and

total

> > > apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations.  Some

days

> > I'm

> > > OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

> > >

> > > I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just

last

> > week

> > > and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

> > diagnosed

> > > with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking

various

> > other

> > > things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

> > >

> > > Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

> > Seagreens

> > > which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

> > shouldn't

> > > have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on

me

> > as

> > > I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then,

which I

> > > generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

> > supposed

> > > to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> > > I just turned down another friend's offer of going out

socialising

> > thiw

> > > week.

> > > I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

> > basicaly

> > > just weird in my head!

> > >

> > > So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low

dose

> > of

> > > DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

> > starting on

> > > this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or

to

> > carry

> > > on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I

wait

> > make

> > > things worse?!

> > >

> > > I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about

this to

> > > someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts

or

> > if

> > > they're willing to share their experiences I'd really

appreciate

> > it.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Anne

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can't give advice, but I can share my experience. I chelate with ALA. I

started with 12.5 mg per dose (I might start even lower if I had particular

reasons to be worried). I take a dose about every 2 1/2 hours during the day and

about 3 hours 50 minutes during the night (again I might dose more frequently

during the night if I was particularly worried. In my experience, the first

three months felt on the whole quite positive (I felt much happier, bit more

energy and patience, but at the same time difficulty sleeping and puffy legs,

which I never had before, not even when I was pregnant).

The next 6 months were quite difficult (especially the first 3 of those). I had

issues which I never had before and exacerbation of other issues (I got very

panicky, expecting to be dead the next morning, got jerky, sudden movements in

my limbs and twitching eye-lids, an irritating cracking in my neck, a disturbing

noticeable heartbeat, but still stayed happier and had a bit more energy. Now

most of those symptoms are less pronounced and I am quite hopeful. Even if I

didn't get any better anymore now, I would still be pleased with feeling more

positive and having slightly more energy, but really I expect to still get much

better, even if very slowly, taking a long time. I hope, that I am past the most

frightening time.

The one thing I am very glad about, is, that I never increased my dose above 25

mg (I had been tempted to do this during the first 3 months).

Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best.

Dagmar.

Need some help with decision

Hi everyone,

I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also feeling

very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no turning

back.

Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm experiencing

new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some days I'm

OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last week

and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently diagnosed

with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various other

things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called Seagreens

which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably shouldn't

have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me as

I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which I

generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was supposed

to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

I just turned down another friend's offer of going out socialising thiw

week.

I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and basicaly

just weird in my head!

So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low dose of

DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether starting on

this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to carry

on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait make

things worse?!

I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this to

someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or if

they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks

Anne

[Guest guest]

>

> Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm experiencing

> new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some days

I'm

> OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

>

> I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

week

> and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently diagnosed

> with. I'm noticing an improvement with these.

Anne the symptoms you describe above are symptoms of hypothyroidism.

What is your energy like? If I were you, I would make sure my thyroid,

and possibly adrenals were optimized before I added the stress of

chelating.

[Guest guest]

Anne,

if its any consolation I'm feeling as bad as you today! I just can't

function. I hope this message gets through - I've posted quite a few

messages recently and they all seem to have disappeared.

Anyway, just wanted you to know that you aren't alone. You don't

have to decide right now how/when to chelate if you don't feel up to

making a decision.

ny.

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

feeling

> very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

turning

> back.

>

> Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

experiencing

> new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some days

I'm

> OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

>

> I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

week

> and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

diagnosed

> with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

other

> things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

>

> Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

Seagreens

> which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

shouldn't

> have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

as

> I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which I

> generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

supposed

> to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> I just turned down another friend's offer of going out socialising

thiw

> week.

> I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

basicaly

> just weird in my head!

>

> So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low dose

of

> DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

starting on

> this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

carry

> on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

make

> things worse?!

>

> I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this to

> someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

if

> they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

it.

>

> Thanks

> Anne

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing your experience Dagmar It's valuable to me.

I'm glad you got through the most difficult part.

I think I'm quite sensitive too so will mostly likely stay on a low

dose for a while

Anne

> I can't give advice, but I can share my experience. I chelate with

ALA. I started with 12.5 mg per dose (I might start even lower if I

had particular reasons to be worried). I take a dose about every 2

1/2 hours during the day and about 3 hours 50 minutes during the

night (again I might dose more frequently during the night if I was

particularly worried. In my experience, the first three months felt

on the whole quite positive (I felt much happier, bit more energy and

patience, but at the same time difficulty sleeping and puffy legs,

which I never had before, not even when I was pregnant).

>

> The next 6 months were quite difficult (especially the first 3 of

those). I had issues which I never had before and exacerbation of

other issues (I got very panicky, expecting to be dead the next

morning, got jerky, sudden movements in my limbs and twitching eye-

lids, an irritating cracking in my neck, a disturbing noticeable

heartbeat, but still stayed happier and had a bit more energy. Now

most of those symptoms are less pronounced and I am quite hopeful.

Even if I didn't get any better anymore now, I would still be pleased

with feeling more positive and having slightly more energy, but

really I expect to still get much better, even if very slowly, taking

a long time. I hope, that I am past the most frightening time.

>

> The one thing I am very glad about, is, that I never increased my

dose above 25 mg (I had been tempted to do this during the first 3

months).

>

> Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best.

>

> Dagmar.

> Need some help with decision

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

feeling

> very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

turning

> back.

>

> Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

experiencing

> new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some

days I'm

> OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

>

> I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

week

> and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

diagnosed

> with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

other

> things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

>

> Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

Seagreens

> which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

shouldn't

> have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

as

> I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which

I

> generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

supposed

> to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> I just turned down another friend's offer of going out

socialising thiw

> week.

> I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

basicaly

> just weird in my head!

>

> So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low

dose of

> DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

starting on

> this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

carry

> on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

make

> things worse?!

>

> I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this

to

> someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

if

> they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

it.

>

> Thanks

> Anne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for your reply. Yes I am hypothyroid (low body temperature

etc)....had chronic fatigue for several years but the specific hypo

symptoms seem to have come on fairly recently....and I think it's

because I took too much ALA a few months back...possibly causing

redistribution.

That was my dilemma really.....whether I should wait till I feel more

on top of things or not....but then maybe very low dose chelation

would make me feel somewhat better anyway.

Anyway, I will give it more thought.

Thanks!

Anne

>

> >

> > Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

experiencing

> > new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> > apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some

days

> I'm

> > OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

> >

> > I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

> week

> > and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

diagnosed

> > with. I'm noticing an improvement with these.

>

> Anne the symptoms you describe above are symptoms of

hypothyroidism.

> What is your energy like? If I were you, I would make sure my

thyroid,

> and possibly adrenals were optimized before I added the stress of

> chelating.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ny, your posts means a lot!

Sorry you're feeling bad aswell, not that I want that to happen but

it is some sort of consolation as when you feel you're on another

planet, it's reassuring to know there's other aliens in the same

position!

My judgement and decision-making are out the window at the moment so

hopefully I will feel a bit more with it when I do decide to start

chelation.

Anne

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I'm in a dilemma....I feel I need to start chelating but also

> feeling

> > very apprehensive as once you start the ball rolling there's no

> turning

> > back.

> >

> > Since taking large amounts of ALA a few months back I'm

> experiencing

> > new symptoms eg more depression and a sense of flatness and total

> > apathy, hair falling out in large chunks, palpitations. Some

days

> I'm

> > OK though, and generally very up and down but mostly down.

> >

> > I started taking some glandulars (adrenal and thyroid) just last

> week

> > and also started taking iron due to anaemia I was recently

> diagnosed

> > with. I'm noticing an improvement with these. I'm taking various

> other

> > things eg vit C, E, magnesium omega 3 and 6.

> >

> > Over the weekend I took one capsule of a supplement called

> Seagreens

> > which has various minerals and amino acids (I know I probably

> shouldn't

> > have taken it! I'm thinking now it's had a negative effect on me

> as

> > I've had a lot of uncontrollable food cravings since then, which

I

> > generally get anyway, but it just got a bit worse. Today I was

> supposed

> > to be at uni but had absolutely no motivation for it.

> > I just turned down another friend's offer of going out

socialising

> thiw

> > week.

> > I feel fairly depressed/joyless and distant/disconnected and

> basicaly

> > just weird in my head!

> >

> > So....I'm wondering whether I should just start on a very low

dose

> of

> > DMSA (as can't get DMPS), eg 12.5mg. I'm wondering whether

> starting on

> > this low dose is worse or better than feeling the way I do, or to

> carry

> > on waiting until I feel a bit better....or will the longer I wait

> make

> > things worse?!

> >

> > I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult to give advice about this

to

> > someone as everyone's different but if anyone has any thoughts or

> if

> > they're willing to share their experiences I'd really appreciate

> it.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anne