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im here and any one can talk to me anytime about anything but i have

posted all this last night so if you want to talk msg me pvtly

--- Jmd6789@... wrote:

> From: Jmd6789@...

>

> In a message dated 7/27/99 10:06:57 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> suebirney@... writes:

>

> << Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and

> Cielias post where very

> rude >>

> This is a perfect example of why some people have

> felt intimidated on this

> list......I really want to respond to this but feel

> from past posts that I

> shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out

> which Sue doesn't like,

> as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and

> she doesn't want that...I

> certainly understand this......But.....I just don't

> know why Bills and

> Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating

> how they felt...thats

> it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but

> feel very intimadated

> .......Judi

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In a message dated 7/28/99 10:04:55 PM Central Daylight Time,

suebirney@... writes:

<< Ok All I know some have had comments about ketosis >>

Thanks Sue. I am currently in small right now.

JEnnifer

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Ok This Is how They verbally attacked my desion to make this a more

productive list If Bill had been watching the post a week would not

have gone by that he could have responded to the question do you want

to stay. I also pvt this question to the ppl who where on here no mial

for so long. most did not respond so they were deleted I am so sorry

Bill and terrie got bent out of shape because I couldnt remember

Terries email address. I am after all only human. and as for why I did

all this It has been explaind over and over. If this continue I will

delet this list and forget it was my reaction last night but this

would not be fair to the ppl on here that really want to be a part of

the list and have there questions answered. Tell me why you ppl

think it is ok for someone to subscribe and sit on no mail for 2 and 3

months. Like someone said from another list that is on here they can

collect personal info on list members and it can be us safe now If you

are not happy with this answer Please feel free to unsubscribe. Sue I

am sorry if i offen ay of the new ppl on this list this is not

directed to any of you .

--- Jmd6789@... wrote:

> From: Jmd6789@...

>

> In a message dated 7/27/99 10:06:57 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> suebirney@... writes:

>

> << Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and

> Cielias post where very

> rude >>

> This is a perfect example of why some people have

> felt intimidated on this

> list......I really want to respond to this but feel

> from past posts that I

> shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out

> which Sue doesn't like,

> as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and

> she doesn't want that...I

> certainly understand this......But.....I just don't

> know why Bills and

> Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating

> how they felt...thats

> it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but

> feel very intimadated

> .......Judi

>

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As for you not agreeing with me I could care less but to say that i

had no right to do what i did you were out of line that is how you

were rude.

--- CELIA C MILTON wrote:

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>

> You know, to this day, with all the posts regarding

> this stuff, I still

> don't know how my post could have been thought of as

> rude: possibly because

> I didn't agree with the listowner? My post didn't

> even insinuate that

> little. I was merely questioning the problem with

> having people on a list

> who don't post, and that question still hasn't been

> answered, which really

> doesn't matter that much anyway. I was sort of

> amazed at the level of

> personal attack the coffee thing mushroomed into: i

> mean, really, this list

> stuff is basically for fun, information, and killing

> some time in a way more

> constructive than television. I've gotten some

> great chat here, hopefully

> given some decent advise, and that's all I ask of

> it. Once it goes beyond

> that, well, there is something wrong all around. I

> don't know what it

> really takes to run a list either: I suspect that

> much of the ease of it

> depends on the willingness for people to post or to

> hang around till they

> feel like posting: in other words, the comfort

> level of the people you can

> depend on to contribute is critical. Absolute

> control by the listowner may

> not be. (okay, someone start typing in a message

> about how i'm being rude

> again....)

>

> celia...eating some fried chicken but NO FRIES....

>

> ><< Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and

> Cielias post where very

> > rude >>

> >This is a perfect example of why some people have

> felt intimidated on this

> >list......I really want to respond to this but feel

> from past posts that I

> >shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out

> which Sue doesn't like,

> >as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and

> she doesn't want

> that...I

> >certainly understand this......But.....I just don't

> know why Bills and

> >Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating

> how they felt...thats

> >it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but

> feel very intimadated

> >.......Judi

> >

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For me yes it is but I am so tired of haveing to defend mysefl to you

and everyone i had enough of this last night this is a list for diet

not anything else

--- Jmd6789@... wrote:

> From: Jmd6789@...

>

> In a message dated 7/28/99 7:32:47 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> suebirney@... writes:

>

> << As for you not agreeing with me I could care

> less but to say that i

> had no right to do what i did you were out of line

> that is how you

> were rude. >>

> and this is not rude.....?

>

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Friendships also but when ppl care things to far someone and that

has to be me being the list owner and ONLY MODERATOR that has been

posting regularly has to put a halt to it

--- susan birney wrote:

>

>

> For me yes it is but I am so tired of haveing to

> defend mysefl to you

> and everyone i had enough of this last night this is

> a list for diet

> not anything else

>

> --- Jmd6789@... wrote:

> > From: Jmd6789@...

> >

> > In a message dated 7/28/99 7:32:47 PM Eastern

> > Daylight Time,

> > suebirney@... writes:

> >

> > << As for you not agreeing with me I could care

> > less but to say that i

> > had no right to do what i did you were out of

> line

> > that is how you

> > were rude. >>

> > and this is not rude.....?

> >

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Thanks Jen I asked for them to do it pvtt but they feel the whole

list needs to know that I shouldnt want it hidden I have nothing to

hide i have explain myself quite clearly this is a list for the diet

and things that revolve around it like support and excercise and

supplements just to name a few. Sue

--- Talon28@... wrote:

> From: Talon28@...

>

> Can we get on with talking about Atkins or is this

> going to continue because

> I am sitting here, waisting my time reading about

> something that has past. I

> mean, I don't agree with what Sue did, but I have to

> hand it to the lady who

> mentioned it might be because of security reasons.

> Good point. If ya'll going

> to argue over this stuff can't you email it

> privately to her so the rest of

> us don't have to maul through it? No offense, I

> don't mean to make it sound

> that way - but this is the Atkins A Way of Life and

> not much is being talked

> about that. For those who feel angry about this

> whole thing, I am with ya, I

> was a bit irritated by it too, but lets talk about

> the diet PLEASE!!!!!!! Jen

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Thank you for your response, but I want to make sure I understand this

correctly.

1.Dark purple is damaging and you are not getting enough fluids.

2.If it is trace or small you could be getting too many fluids.

3.Moderate is ideal.

Is this correct? So it's all in staying on the diet and drinking the correct

amount of fluids.

Let me know and thanks for your help, I appreciate it.

Kathy

<<

Ok All I know some have had comments about ketosis nad there was a

debate about water and how dark your stick got. Well my neighbor is a

nurse and I got it stright from her not 10 min ago Here it goes. If

you are in the dark purple this is the larg amt of ketosis you can be

damaging your kidney by not haveing enough fluids it dont have to be

water it has to be fluids in your body the ideal spot to lose weight

is in the moderate zone. small and trace are ok also it has a lot to

do with how much fluids you are drinking if it is deep she said you

are not getting enough if it is small to trace the fluids flush the

ketones out of your body you could be drinking to much Moderate is the

ideal place to be. As for sniching and snaking while cooking i do it

keep some legal snacks near by like cheese chunks and pepperoni. There

is no Ideal weight lose everybody is different and lose at there own

speed. Sue:) hope this helps

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Ok All I know some have had comments about ketosis nad there was a

debate about water and how dark your stick got. Well my neighbor is a

nurse and I got it stright from her not 10 min ago Here it goes. If

you are in the dark purple this is the larg amt of ketosis you can be

damaging your kidney by not haveing enough fluids it dont have to be

water it has to be fluids in your body the ideal spot to lose weight

is in the moderate zone. small and trace are ok also it has a lot to

do with how much fluids you are drinking if it is deep she said you

are not getting enough if it is small to trace the fluids flush the

ketones out of your body you could be drinking to much Moderate is the

ideal place to be. As for sniching and snaking while cooking i do it

keep some legal snacks near by like cheese chunks and pepperoni. There

is no Ideal weight lose everybody is different and lose at there own

speed. Sue:) hope this helps

--- KMarsh7629@... wrote:

> From: KMarsh7629@...

>

> Hello everybody,

>

> I'm sorry everybody is so cranky! Is this caused by

> the diet? If so, I get

> cranky enough on my own without a diet to help me

> along <BG>

>

> I have some questions....I joined this list for

> support, ideas, recipes,

> support, helpful hints, support.....you get the

> idea.

>

> I started last Saturday and I still haven't gone

> into ketosis. I'm following

> the diet exactly. What could the problem be? I

> haven't weighed yet....I

> don't want to until next Saturday....it's too

> stressful weighing more than

> once a week because our weight fluctuates so much on

> a daily basis. When I

> use the Ketostix I only get either trace or small

> amount....what's up with

> that? Help me, please.

>

> Also, I don't like to cook and I've been in a

> cooking frenzy,

> aaarrrggghhhh!!!! If anything will tempt me to

> cheat it will be the cooking!

> Any helpful hints for that?

>

> Any ideas on the average weight loss the first week?

>

> Kathy

>

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Kathy,,, I think trace to small amt. is good. that's where I have been and

am starting to lose,,, have been on it since Sunday. (for the second time)

hehe... I went off of it for a week and gained 4 lbs. One thing I

noticed,, if you eat ANYTHING with sugar in it, you will not lose,,,

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>From: KMarsh7629@...

>

>Hello everybody,

>

>I'm sorry everybody is so cranky! Is this caused by the diet? If so, I

get

>cranky enough on my own without a diet to help me along <BG>

>

>I have some questions....I joined this list for support, ideas, recipes,

>support, helpful hints, support.....you get the idea.

>

>I started last Saturday and I still haven't gone into ketosis. I'm

following

>the diet exactly. What could the problem be? I haven't weighed yet....I

>don't want to until next Saturday....it's too stressful weighing more than

>once a week because our weight fluctuates so much on a daily basis. When I

>use the Ketostix I only get either trace or small amount....what's up with

>that? Help me, please.

>

>Also, I don't like to cook and I've been in a cooking frenzy,

>aaarrrggghhhh!!!! If anything will tempt me to cheat it will be the

cooking!

> Any helpful hints for that?

>

>Any ideas on the average weight loss the first week?

>

>Kathy

>

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In a message dated 7/29/99 7:37:10 AM Central Daylight Time,

suebirney@... writes:

<< 3.Moderate is ideal. >>

THat's what I got this morning.

Jen

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In a message dated 7/29/99 7:16:24 AM Central Daylight Time,

rjlong@... writes:

<< I still losing !!!!!! I am wearing a pair of pants this a.m. that haven't

been out of the closet in months!

>>

Now this is the ultimate achievement here!!!! (besides getting down to goal).

You must be on 7th heaven right now!!!!!!!! The day I get into my " skinny "

clothes is the day I am celebrating big time!!! Congratulations

Lyndia!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jen

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re: Let's just concentrate on losing weight.

I still losing !!!!!! I am wearing a pair of pants this a.m. that haven't

been out of the closet in months!

Lyndia

Alabama

Atkins Way of Life since 6/14/99

" Only cat lovers know the luxury of fur coated, musical hot water bottles

that never go cold "

meet my family at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8396/

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Sue wrote " i do it by

keep some legal snacks near by like cheese chunks and pepperoni.

Me too, these are usually what I snack on while cooking, and you know I am

not even hungry, it is just a habit I had when I used to be starving before

dinner.

Lyndia

Alabama

Atkins Way of Life since 6/14/99

" Only cat lovers know the luxury of fur coated, musical hot water bottles

that never go cold "

meet my family at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8396/

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This is what I was told last night and is correct the short way you put

it. I felt I had to explain a little but this is right and the dark

COULD damage your kidneys if in it to long is what she said. Sue

--- KMarsh7629@... wrote:

> From: KMarsh7629@...

>

> Thank you for your response, but I want to make sure

> I understand this

> correctly.

>

> 1.Dark purple is damaging and you are not getting

> enough fluids.

> 2.If it is trace or small you could be getting too

> many fluids.

> 3.Moderate is ideal.

>

> Is this correct? So it's all in staying on the diet

> and drinking the correct

> amount of fluids.

>

> Let me know and thanks for your help, I appreciate

> it.

>

> Kathy

>

>

> In a message dated 7/28/99 7:04:51 PM PST,

> suebirney@... writes:

>

> <<

>

> Ok All I know some have had comments about ketosis

> nad there was a

> debate about water and how dark your stick got.

> Well my neighbor is a

> nurse and I got it stright from her not 10 min ago

> Here it goes. If

> you are in the dark purple this is the larg amt of

> ketosis you can be

> damaging your kidney by not haveing enough fluids

> it dont have to be

> water it has to be fluids in your body the ideal

> spot to lose weight

> is in the moderate zone. small and trace are ok

> also it has a lot to

> do with how much fluids you are drinking if it is

> deep she said you

> are not getting enough if it is small to trace

> the fluids flush the

> ketones out of your body you could be drinking to

> much Moderate is the

> ideal place to be. As for sniching and snaking

> while cooking i do it

> keep some legal snacks near by like cheese chunks

> and pepperoni. There

> is no Ideal weight lose everybody is different and

> lose at there own

> speed. Sue:) hope this helps

> >>

>

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GREAT LYNDIA Way to go. Sue

--- Ron Long Family wrote:

>

>

> re: Let's just concentrate on losing weight.

>

> I still losing !!!!!! I am wearing a pair of pants

> this a.m. that haven't

> been out of the closet in months!

>

> Lyndia

> Alabama

> Atkins Way of Life since 6/14/99

> " Only cat lovers know the luxury of fur coated,

> musical hot water bottles

> that never go cold "

> meet my family at

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8396/

>

>

>

>

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Lyndia---WAY TO GO!!!! I have a pair of shorts that I can get on over

my thighs and butt , however... theres about 3-31/2 inches betweeen the

zipper! When I can fit into those.. I'll be happy!!!!

Keep up the good work!

mol

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Great going Jen Sue:)

--- Talon28@... wrote:

> From: Talon28@...

>

> In a message dated 7/29/99 7:37:10 AM Central

> Daylight Time,

> suebirney@... writes:

>

> << 3.Moderate is ideal. >>

> THat's what I got this morning.

> Jen

>

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Me too Moll I have a pair of thise that was how I started but now i

can at least button them lol Has any one else notice that any thing

denim is always a size bigger then anything else probly cause they

dont streach and give is what i figure because i wear a 22/24 in what

i call reg cloths and it seems a 28 denim fits loose but a 26 i can

just button. LOL go figure Sue

--- Mollie Sternburgh wrote:

>

>

> Lyndia---WAY TO GO!!!! I have a pair of shorts that

> I can get on over

> my thighs and butt , however... theres about 3-31/2

> inches betweeen the

> zipper! When I can fit into those.. I'll be

> happy!!!!

> Keep up the good work!

> mol

>

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In a message dated 7/29/99 7:16:18 AM Central Daylight Time,

rjlong@... writes:

<< I still losing !!!!!! I am wearing a pair of pants this a.m. that haven't

been out of the closet in months! >>

Way to go, Lyndia! Congratulations!

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Wow Lyndia! this diet is awesome isn't it? Yesterday,, my boss brought

a big birthday cake to work for her boss,,,, I didn't eat any... and today

she brought Zucchini bread with cream cheese and I only had one bite.. I

am so proud of myself.. I just kept thinking " how are you going to feel

after you eat it? " the answer is,,, I would just want more and I would feel

very guilty about even having some in the first place. Talked myself right

out of that! I think I can do this! as soon as I went and ate my " legal "

lunch,, the cravings went away..

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>

>re: Let's just concentrate on losing weight.

>

>I still losing !!!!!! I am wearing a pair of pants this a.m. that haven't

>been out of the closet in months!

>

>Lyndia

>Alabama

>Atkins Way of Life since 6/14/99

> " Only cat lovers know the luxury of fur coated, musical hot water bottles

>that never go cold "

> meet my family at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8396/

>

>

>

>

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