Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suebirney@... writes: << It is ok to post your views and feelings but not at the expense of others will I tolerate ppl being rude >> I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I have seen posts where people have said things that you didn't like and they were forbidden to talk about it again tho....Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deb39@... writes: << Also, I have never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a subject to be discussed. >> The ask about the coffee saga..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deb39@... writes: << Also, I have never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a subject to be discussed. >> The ask about the coffee saga..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Just a question but, how in any way " because I do not know, I am not a moderator or creator of a list " does keeping people on the list who do not post, etc. hinder what is being talked about or read? Is it an inconvenience to have people who do not care to post but rather read, get ideas, recipes, etc. " just because " or is their a real reason such as detailed work on your part to get these sent out to everyone??? My point is, if there is no real work involved, I do not see the harm in keeping everyone on the list. They wanted to subscribe and it seems to me that it would be there choice whether or not they want to jump in on discussion or just read what is being said. I get plenty of emails a day and I happy with it. I would love to converse more with everyone, sometimes I feel like nobody is talking to me, but I get plenty of emails to read and give my two cents. I just feel that if they wanna email they will. It's none of my business why some people don't, I am just happy with the ones who do. I am sorry to see him leave. He seemed like a really nice guy. Hope things work well for his wife. Anyway, that's just my own opinion:) (160/155/130) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 9:58:49 PM Central Daylight Time, Talon28@... writes: << He seemed like a really nice guy. Hope things work well for his wife. Anyway, that's just my own opinion:) >> He seemed like a nice guy to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Please now...rude? all i said was that i didn't really understand what difference it made if people posted or not..how you could construe that as rude is beyond me....maybe you could enlighten me. Re: List Members Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very rude --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 oh, and by the way, it's Celia... Re: List Members Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very rude --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very rude --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very rude --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 And As an after thought you are refering to the great coffee debate where words were mixed and ppl kept dragging it on and on and onn that is the only time i put my foot down and said enough is enough i dont want to hear any more about it ppl feeling got relly hurt and they unsubscribed becasue someone mixed msgs together which i deleted from the post but I do know who did it. Sue --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 And As an after thought you are refering to the great coffee debate where words were mixed and ppl kept dragging it on and on and onn that is the only time i put my foot down and said enough is enough i dont want to hear any more about it ppl feeling got relly hurt and they unsubscribed becasue someone mixed msgs together which i deleted from the post but I do know who did it. Sue --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to > post your views and feelings but not at the > expense of others will I > tolerate ppl being rude >> > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I > have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and > they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Judi, I just don't understand this animosity. Sue explained that she was only trying to make the list productive and helpful for everyone. She gave ample notification to all on the list regarding her intent. Sue has been nothing but helpful, although I am one of the " lurkers " who prefers not to post, but receives plenty of advice and help by emailing Sue privately. Also, I have never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a subject to be discussed. I'm saddened to see the list in an uproar over something this trivial. Deb Jmd6789@... wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > suebirney@... writes: > > << It is ok to post your views and feelings but not at the expense of > others will I tolerate ppl being rude >> > > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I have seen posts where > people have said things that you didn't like and they were forbidden to talk > about it again tho....Judi > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Only when PPl werent talking about the good or BAD ANY MORE JUST WHO SAID WHAT AND THAT IS WHEN I SAID dROP IT --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 10:17:45 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > deb39@... writes: > > << Also, I have > never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a > subject to be discussed. >> > The ask about the coffee saga..... > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Only when PPl werent talking about the good or BAD ANY MORE JUST WHO SAID WHAT AND THAT IS WHEN I SAID dROP IT --- Jmd6789@... wrote: > From: Jmd6789@... > > In a message dated 7/27/99 10:17:45 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > deb39@... writes: > > << Also, I have > never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a > subject to be discussed. >> > The ask about the coffee saga..... > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 I don't know what goes in to being a moderator. I suspect it's more work than we're all aware of. I know Sue responds to most, if not all posts, and we all know there are dozens each day. That surely must take time. I don't post as much as I would like because I'm not home all that much. But I think we should all remember that we are here for each other's support. I hate to see this wonderful support network turn sour. We are all in it together, and we need each other to keep going! Talon28@... wrote: > > From: Talon28@... > > Just a question but, how in any way " because I do not know, I am not a > moderator or creator of a list " does keeping people on the list who do not > post, etc. hinder what is being talked about or read? Is it an inconvenience > to have people who do not care to post but rather read, get ideas, recipes, > etc. " just because " or is their a real reason such as detailed work on your > part to get these sent out to everyone??? > My point is, if there is no real work involved, I do not see the harm in > keeping everyone on the list. They wanted to subscribe and it seems to me > that it would be there choice whether or not they want to jump in on > discussion or just read what is being said. I get plenty of emails a day and > I happy with it. I would love to converse more with everyone, sometimes I > feel like nobody is talking to me, but I get plenty of emails to read and > give my two cents. I just feel that if they wanna email they will. It's none > of my business why some people don't, I am just happy with the ones who do. > I am sorry to see him leave. He seemed like a really nice guy. Hope things > work well for his wife. Anyway, that's just my own opinion:) > (160/155/130) > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Debbie--I totally agree with you. Sue has been great. She gets my vote for moderator of the year--if there is such a thing. By the way, I thought this was dropped weeks ago!!! Need we go into it again.?! Tina ---------- > > To: Atkins-A-WayOfLifeonelist > Subject: Re: List Members > Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 7:20 PM > > > > Judi, > I just don't understand this animosity. Sue explained that she was only trying > to make the list productive and helpful for everyone. She gave ample > notification to all on the list regarding her intent. Sue has been nothing but > helpful, although I am one of the " lurkers " who prefers not to post, but > receives plenty of advice and help by emailing Sue privately. Also, I have > never seen any indication that Sue " forbid " a subject to be discussed. I'm > saddened to see the list in an uproar over something this trivial. > > Deb > > > Jmd6789@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:56:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > suebirney@... writes: > > > > << It is ok to post your views and feelings but not at the expense of > > others will I tolerate ppl being rude >> > > > > > I have never seen a post where anybody was rude....I have seen posts where > > people have said things that you didn't like and they were forbidden to talk > > about it again tho....Judi > > > > - > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Well, I've been trying to stay out of this topic, and stick to weight loss...but I finally had to put my two cents in. I happen to be a semi lurker here...I only post about once or twice a week, but I emailed Sue when she sent the first message about her plan and asked to remain on the list. And I did. I don't know Sue personally, and I certainly can't read her mind, but she may have very good reasons for doing what she did. For example, I am on a parenting list for moms that is also through onelist. A while back, we had a man join (we don't forbid men to join, it's just rare :-) ), and he promptly set himself to no mail. Which means he is a list member, and has the right to search the archives and read old mail, but he doesn't receive it daily. He stayed no mail for a month before our list mom got worried. Anyway, our list mom is VERY diligent and it turns out this guy was just using the archives to try and find out personal information on people (we are very chatty). The information on people he was putting together was scary. We think he was just some sort of con man, but imagine what would happen if he was dangerous!! Anyway, my point was that Sue may have a really good reason for wanting everyone to chime in and request to be left on. Some people don't feel they have enough experience to really jump in and post yet, but they want to read and learn from those other people here. Sue never posted here that people COULDN'T lurk...she just said to please let her know if you wanted to remain on the list. I mean, all you had to do was hit reply and type Yes, I want to stay. Whether you agreed with her or not. To be honest, anyone who got booted can simple resubscribe, can't they? Bev in MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Thanks Bev that is right I have had a few that have resubscribed. they msg me personally about resubscribeng and this is all any one has to do. Thanks for the vote of cofidence and you are absolutliy right this is a list for dieting I dont mind lurkers trying to learn from others but I do object to ppl signing on and going stright to no mail for months on end. Sue --- BEldred@... wrote: > From: BEldred@... > > Well, I've been trying to stay out of this topic, > and stick to weight > loss...but I finally had to put my two cents in. I > happen to be a semi > lurker here...I only post about once or twice a > week, but I emailed Sue when > she sent the first message about her plan and asked > to remain on the list. > And I did. > > I don't know Sue personally, and I certainly can't > read her mind, but she may > have very good reasons for doing what she did. For > example, I am on a > parenting list for moms that is also through > onelist. A while back, we had a > man join (we don't forbid men to join, it's just > rare :-) ), and he promptly > set himself to no mail. Which means he is a list > member, and has the right > to search the archives and read old mail, but he > doesn't receive it daily. > He stayed no mail for a month before our list mom > got worried. Anyway, our > list mom is VERY diligent and it turns out this guy > was just using the > archives to try and find out personal information on > people (we are very > chatty). The information on people he was putting > together was scary. We > think he was just some sort of con man, but imagine > what would happen if he > was dangerous!! > > Anyway, my point was that Sue may have a really good > reason for wanting > everyone to chime in and request to be left on. > Some people don't feel they > have enough experience to really jump in and post > yet, but they want to read > and learn from those other people here. Sue never > posted here that people > COULDN'T lurk...she just said to please let her know > if you wanted to remain > on the list. I mean, all you had to do was hit > reply and type Yes, I want to > stay. Whether you agreed with her or not. To be > honest, anyone who got > booted can simple resubscribe, can't they? > > Bev in MS > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deb39@... writes: << I just don't understand this animosity. Sue explained that she was only trying to make the list productive and helpful for everyone. She gave ample notification to all on the list regarding her intent >> Yes, Sue did...and I think she is a good leader.......Very hepful and always there for us.....I probubly was one of the first to get back to her and tell her I wanted to stay on........Just to be sure I e-mailed her again a few days later to confirm it...I like this list and all the folks on it....I have learned so so much from all of you...I had no problem with Sue doing whatever she wanted with the list...It's her list....People are going to leave for their own reasons...We come from all walks of life ,have our own issues and have our own way of dealing with things.....Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:06:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suebirney@... writes: << Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very rude >> This is a perfect example of why some people have felt intimidated on this list......I really want to respond to this but feel from past posts that I shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out which Sue doesn't like, as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and she doesn't want that...I certainly understand this......But.....I just don't know why Bills and Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating how they felt...thats it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but feel very intimadated ........Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 You know, to this day, with all the posts regarding this stuff, I still don't know how my post could have been thought of as rude: possibly because I didn't agree with the listowner? My post didn't even insinuate that little. I was merely questioning the problem with having people on a list who don't post, and that question still hasn't been answered, which really doesn't matter that much anyway. I was sort of amazed at the level of personal attack the coffee thing mushroomed into: i mean, really, this list stuff is basically for fun, information, and killing some time in a way more constructive than television. I've gotten some great chat here, hopefully given some decent advise, and that's all I ask of it. Once it goes beyond that, well, there is something wrong all around. I don't know what it really takes to run a list either: I suspect that much of the ease of it depends on the willingness for people to post or to hang around till they feel like posting: in other words, the comfort level of the people you can depend on to contribute is critical. Absolute control by the listowner may not be. (okay, someone start typing in a message about how i'm being rude again....) celia...eating some fried chicken but NO FRIES.... ><< Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and Cielias post where very > rude >> >This is a perfect example of why some people have felt intimidated on this >list......I really want to respond to this but feel from past posts that I >shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out which Sue doesn't like, >as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and she doesn't want that...I >certainly understand this......But.....I just don't know why Bills and >Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating how they felt...thats >it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but feel very intimadated >.......Judi > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/28/99 7:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suebirney@... writes: << As for you not agreeing with me I could care less but to say that i had no right to do what i did you were out of line that is how you were rude. >> and this is not rude.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 In a message dated 7/28/99 7:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suebirney@... writes: << As for you not agreeing with me I could care less but to say that i had no right to do what i did you were out of line that is how you were rude. >> I went back and looked at all celias posts and there were none that said you had no right to do what you did..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Geez sue, I don't think i ever said you had no right to do it....i just wondered what the big deal was....which,by the way, no one has still addressed...collecting personal data?? for what?? Stalking? Vast amounts of spam? What exactly was the problem? If you construed my post as rude, everyday life would be hell for most of us granted the level of rude that it would have been.......it was in no way even close. all i can say is that if I were a listowner, which i very well may be in the future, I'd be happy as a clam if 1/3 of the people on it posted, and the other 2/3's appreciated that it existed. I guess I just don't understand your agenda....never mind that to complain about me so much, you could have gotten my name right. Re: List Members > > > >As for you not agreeing with me I could care less but to say that i >had no right to do what i did you were out of line that is how you >were rude. >--- CELIA C MILTON wrote: >> >> >> You know, to this day, with all the posts regarding >> this stuff, I still >> don't know how my post could have been thought of as >> rude: possibly because >> I didn't agree with the listowner? My post didn't >> even insinuate that >> little. I was merely questioning the problem with >> having people on a list >> who don't post, and that question still hasn't been >> answered, which really >> doesn't matter that much anyway. I was sort of >> amazed at the level of >> personal attack the coffee thing mushroomed into: i >> mean, really, this list >> stuff is basically for fun, information, and killing >> some time in a way more >> constructive than television. I've gotten some >> great chat here, hopefully >> given some decent advise, and that's all I ask of >> it. Once it goes beyond >> that, well, there is something wrong all around. I >> don't know what it >> really takes to run a list either: I suspect that >> much of the ease of it >> depends on the willingness for people to post or to >> hang around till they >> feel like posting: in other words, the comfort >> level of the people you can >> depend on to contribute is critical. Absolute >> control by the listowner may >> not be. (okay, someone start typing in a message >> about how i'm being rude >> again....) >> >> celia...eating some fried chicken but NO FRIES.... >> >> ><< Well then we disagree because i feel Bills and >> Cielias post where very >> > rude >> >> >This is a perfect example of why some people have >> felt intimidated on this >> >list......I really want to respond to this but feel >> from past posts that I >> >shouldn't......One, it would be dragging things out >> which Sue doesn't like, >> >as she says sometimes peoples feelings get hurt and >> she doesn't want >> that...I >> >certainly understand this......But.....I just don't >> know why Bills and >> >Cielias posts sounded rude...They were just stating >> how they felt...thats >> >it.....and I wanted to talk with Sue about this but >> feel very intimadated >> >.......Judi >> > >> >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Can we get on with talking about Atkins or is this going to continue because I am sitting here, waisting my time reading about something that has past. I mean, I don't agree with what Sue did, but I have to hand it to the lady who mentioned it might be because of security reasons. Good point. If ya'll going to argue over this stuff can't you email it privately to her so the rest of us don't have to maul through it? No offense, I don't mean to make it sound that way - but this is the Atkins A Way of Life and not much is being talked about that. For those who feel angry about this whole thing, I am with ya, I was a bit irritated by it too, but lets talk about the diet PLEASE!!!!!!! Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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