Re: Please help update/Elder Day Care facility

[Guest guest]

They have now told me that they can deam my father unsafe to go home. Then he

may choose to sign himself out and that means that we have no services what so

ever. The other option is to give him services and let him go home to see how

he does. If he's right back in the hospital again they can deam him unsafe and

then at that point send him back to a facility. HOwever he can still sign out

AMA at that point. People have mentioned day programs but the problem with

those is you have to accept them and my father says he won't go. He thinks it's

just like the nursing home all over again. So basically i'm stuck waiting. He

could come home and think the aids, and nurses are a waste of time and then

refuse but who knows. IT's driving me nuts.

Eleanor wrote:Is there a Day Care in your

area for people who are not sick enough to be in a " Care " center, or who won't

stay there? It is obvious that he needs someone to look after him, and you all

have to work...check into a Day Care for the elderly. If you are responsible

for his well-being, he will just have to go along with the plan, as someone else

mentioned, get older friends, the minister or family members involved....someone

who will not let him put a " guilt trip " on them.

We can all see that you want to do the right thing...sometimes as people get

older, and/or ill, they get harder to manage...and it is hard to see a parent

become dependent on others...but we all get there as we get older, if we don't

die first.

I am so sorry that you are put in this position...check with Social Services or

a church about an Elder Day Care facility...we have them in my city.

Eleanor

[Guest guest]

I do not want to participate in this particular discussion anymore so I will

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[Guest guest]

Consult your attorney NOW!! IThere must be some way you can have him

legally restrained from signing himself out. You cannot put yourself and your

brother at the mercy of an unsafe, unstable alcoholic. But, you will need legal

help to do so.His currrent facility can deem him unsafe to go home, and

insufficient care is being offered in the event he is released, AMA or not.

Find

out your legal options asap. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe you said you are

his guardian? Why can't you just say no? If he has a guardian, he isn't

considered able to make his own decisions is he? I am not a lawyer, and may

be overstepping here, but surely there is something you can do to prevent him

destroying your lives as well as his own.

> They have now told me that they can deam my father unsafe to go home.

Then he may choose to sign himself out and that means that we have no

services what so ever. The other option is to give him services and let him go

home to see how he does. If he's right back in the hospital again they can

deam him unsafe and then at that point send him back to a facility. HOwever

he can still sign out AMA at that point.

[Guest guest]

I believe she said that the was her BROTHER's guardian, and that she tried to

have her father declared incomptent, unsuccessfully.

However, his mental condition may have decayed since then, and it would be worth

her while, IMHO to explore the re-opening of the competency issue.

Re: Please help update/Elder Day Care facility

Consult your attorney NOW!! IThere must be some way you can have him

legally restrained from signing himself out. You cannot put yourself and your

brother at the mercy of an unsafe, unstable alcoholic. But, you will need legal

help to do so.His currrent facility can deem him unsafe to go home, and

insufficient care is being offered in the event he is released, AMA or not.

Find

out your legal options asap. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe you said you are

his guardian? Why can't you just say no? If he has a guardian, he isn't

considered able to make his own decisions is he? I am not a lawyer, and may

be overstepping here, but surely there is something you can do to prevent him

destroying your lives as well as his own.

[Guest guest]

I AM not his guardian

DaveO wrote:philshasar wrote:

> Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe you said you are

>his guardian? Why can't you just say no? If he has a guardian, he isn't

>considered able to make his own decisions is he? I am not a lawyer, and may

>be overstepping here, but surely there is something you can do to prevent him

>destroying your lives as well as his own.

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People have rights, even alchoholics. The only thing that would seem to

keep him from coming home us if the house doesn't belong to him. If it

does, then one can refuse to be a guardian and find another to live, and

he can live in *his house.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry - my mistake. I was too tired to go through all the posts and should

have or kept my mouth shut. While I realize alcoholics have rights, the

competency issue may need to be reexplored. Your brother and yourself

have rights as well. This is indisputably a difficult legal and moral issue,

and I

wish you the best.

> I AM not his guardian

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