Re: Hidden sugars (.splenda etc

[Guest guest]

I read about it in the Diabetes Solution Book by Dr Bernstein. He says the only

one to use in a packet is Stevia. I looked at the market this week and the box

of Splenda packets says DEXTROSE exactly like the box of packets of Equal. That

is where I got that idea. I would be more than pleased to find it is not true.

Will someone else look at the box as well? I do not like stevia and could not

find equal or splenda tablets like he recommends. G

[Guest guest]

I am reading from a box of Splenda right now, and I quote:

" Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Sucralose.

Store in a cool, dry place. "

Glory - please cite the page number and publication date of the

Bernstein book you are referring to so we can look at what you've read.

There has to be a misunderstanding here somewhere.

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Bernstein book page 154-155 Pub date: 2003

pg 155 " Splenda like the others except stevia, is principally a mixture of

sugars to provide bulk and should be avoided. "

The author of the book " Fat and Furious " , says the same thing about Equal.

My box of Splenda granulated says the same as yours. The ingredients I read in

the market was packets not granulated loose. Hope this helps. Not my idea that

it be a bad substitute.

I am still trying to figure out what the heck to eat. G

[Guest guest]

My box does in fact say dextrose, maltodextrin, sucralose. But, it doesn't give

me a problem, so I'll stick with it.

Glad to know I read it right. I do not know if it causes me a problem. I know I

do not like stevia and think it is bitter. " The Fat Flush " book likes stevia

also. G

[Guest guest]

Also the site Mercola says to avoid Splenda. My husband just read it two me from

Chapter 2 of his book. I am just searching for my right diet. G

[Guest guest]

I am reading from a box of Splenda right now, and I quote:

" Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Sucralose.

Store in a cool, dry place. "

Glory - please cite the page number and publication date of the

Bernstein book you are referring to so we can look at what you've read.

There has to be a misunderstanding here somewhere.

CarolR

Glory33 wrote:

> I read about it in the Diabetes Solution Book by Dr Bernstein.

[Guest guest]

splenda is a derivative of sugar

[Guest guest]

>I looked at the market this week and the box of Splenda packets says

>DEXTROSE exactly like the box of packets of Equal. That is where I got

>that idea.

Splenda is made from dextrose by chemically altering a molecule so that it

does not act/react the same as dextrose. It may not be suitable for

everyone (the famous YMMV) but only your glucometer (and possible allergic

reactions) can help you determine that.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

[Guest guest]

There is a granulated stevia at the health food store that does not have the

sugar. That is the stevia I have on hand. G

[Guest guest]

>i read it too. it's in the version that came out in august of this year.

>he tells that the fillers in the spelnda and also jello gelatin are

>maltodex and ose's. he says to only eat the premade jello cups because of

>that.

The dry, granulated version of stevia also has maltodextrin as a

carrier/filler. Only the more concentrated liquid versions of stevia don't.

There is definitely a learning curve to using stevia as a sweetener because

it is available in so many different concentrations (both liquid and dry)

and " too much " renders food inedible. For many, it is an acquired taste.

Stevia is OK'd by the FDA only as a " dietary supplement " (not for

food/sweetener use) because the regulations on " dietary supplements " are so

much more lax than for food/sweeteners and require much less testing.

Ephedra is in the " dietary supplement " category and look what just happened

to that. No guarantee that such items are safe for anyone in particular

just because " someone " says so.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Somewhat OT, but Ephedra has been used in TCM for centuries. It is also

the source for the natural analog of pseudoephedrine, the active

ingredient in many OTC cold remedies.

Re: Hidden sugars (.splenda etc

Ephedra is in the " dietary supplement " category and look what just

happened

to that.

[Guest guest]

Does Stevia have Aspartame?

Eleanor

Re: Re: Hidden sugars (.splenda etc

There is a granulated stevia at the health food store that does not have the

sugar. That is the stevia I have on hand. G

[Guest guest]

I looked at my box of packets and it does say dextrose. The box in bulk

does not. However, you have to be the judge as to whether this will

cause your BG to rise or not with your meter. It does not raise mine

when I use either the packets or the bulk.

AJ

Glory33 wrote:

> I read about it in the Diabetes Solution Book by Dr Bernstein. He says

> the only one to use in a packet is Stevia. I looked at the market this

> week and the box of Splenda packets says DEXTROSE exactly like the box

> of packets of Equal. That is where I got that idea. I would be more

> than pleased to find it is not true. Will someone else look at the box

> as well? I do not like stevia and could not find equal or splenda

> tablets like he recommends. G

[Guest guest]

Eleanor wrote:

>Does Stevia have Aspartame?

>

>Eleanor

>

No, it's a completely different sweetener. It's not saccharine.

It's not cyclomate. It's not aspartame. It's Stevia.

Edd

[Guest guest]

Stevia is a plant that has sweet-tasting leaves. As a sweetener,

stevia is sold in the following forms:

- Ground leaves

- Powder

- Liquid

The powder and liquid forms are processed from the stevia leaf. As

far as I understand, the sweetening agent in the leaf (stevioside) is

extracted to make a more concentrated and powerful sweetener (200-300

times sweeter than sugar). The resulting powder or liquid should be

91% steviosides.

blithe

>

> >Does Stevia have Aspartame?

> >

> >Eleanor

> >

>

> No, it's a completely different sweetener. It's not

saccharine.

> It's not cyclomate. It's not aspartame. It's Stevia.

>

>

> Edd

[Guest guest]

>There is a granulated stevia at the health food store that does not have

>the sugar. That is the stevia I have on hand. G

It is highly unlikely (probably impossible) that any granulated stevia is

100% stevia without a carrier (usually maltodextrin) -- especially since

it's raw form is a leaf . . . but since USDA defines stevia as a " dietary

supplement " rather than a " food product, " it isn't subject to the same

labeling laws as food products that require disclosure of all contents in

descending order. Rather, stevia (as a " dietary supplement " ) is subject to

the laws that apply to how companys label/sell vitamins and other such.

Just because something isn't listed on the label of a " dietary supplement "

doesn't mean it doesn't contain any.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

>Does Stevia have Aspartame?

No. Stevia is a South American herb, a plant.

Search for " stevia " via Google.com and you'll find tons of info.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm a little late adding to this discussion. Believe me I know this

stuff because of all the Biochemistry, Organic chemistry, etc. I have taken the

past two years at Indiana Univ.

sucrose is table sugar. It is a diamer of two glucose molecules. We all know

glucose, don't we?

Sucrose is a molecule that can appear in two shapes. Think of gloves, one is

right handed and one is left handed. Dextrose is left handed and that's what

our body uses. Dextrose is what is in IV drips, etc. The body cannot use R-

glucose. And that's what I thought Splenda was. They've been talking about it

for 30 years. The " ose " suffix is sugar. " Sucralose " may be the name of the R

rotated shape as opposed to sucrose which is table sugar. The idea is that it

tastes like sugar but the body cannot metabolise it so we get off scott free.

Quoting RCGlaze :

> My box does in fact say dextrose, maltodextrin, sucralose. But, it doesn't

> give me a problem, so I'll stick with it.

>

> Robin G.

> Re: Hidden sugars (.splenda etc

>

>

> I read about it in the Diabetes Solution Book by Dr Bernstein. He says the

> only one to use in a packet is Stevia. I looked at the market this week and

> the box of Splenda packets says DEXTROSE exactly like the box of packets of

> Equal. That is where I got that idea. I would be more than pleased to find it

> is not true. Will someone else look at the box as well? I do not like stevia

> and could not find equal or splenda tablets like he recommends. G

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Maybe you can answer my question...why is it easier for me to metabolize sugar

in moderation, on rare occasions...of course I cut other carbs to make an

allowance for a thin slice of birthday cake about 3 in. x 3 in. 1/2 in thick

about 4 or 5 times per year.

I do have a strange metabolism, I need to point that out early in the

message...How many of you can drink 2 cups of coffee and get a good nights

sleep...I can. However, I don't drink coffee, except on rare occasions for

that reason....but I do like unsweet tea, or water with lots of fresh lemon

juice...no sugar.

Any of the diet sweetners, Aspartame being the worst one of all, act very much

like a narcarcotic, to me, they make me feel very dull, drugged, very sleepy, I

will sleep in a very deep sleep for about 4 hours if I make a mistake and eat a

dessert that has aspartame in it. When I was in the hospital...I did not eat

any of the desserts for that reason.

I don't have to fool myself into thinking that I am getting something with

sugar...I can do without it, unless my sugar has dropped to 55 then I have to

have real sugar, about a teaspoon full or 4 oz. of regular cola will get it up

to a comfortable range.

Eleanor

Re: Hidden sugars (.splenda etc

Maybe I'm a little late adding to this discussion. Believe me I know this

stuff because of all the Biochemistry, Organic chemistry, etc. I have taken

the

past two years at Indiana Univ.

sucrose is table sugar. It is a diamer of two glucose molecules. We all know

glucose, don't we?

Sucrose is a molecule that can appear in two shapes. Think of gloves, one is

right handed and one is left handed. Dextrose is left handed and that's what

our body uses. Dextrose is what is in IV drips, etc. The body cannot use R-

glucose. And that's what I thought Splenda was. They've been talking about

it

for 30 years. The " ose " suffix is sugar. " Sucralose " may be the name of the

R

rotated shape as opposed to sucrose which is table sugar. The idea is that it

tastes like sugar but the body cannot metabolise it so we get off scott free.

[Guest guest]

lmoliver@... wrote:

>Sucrose is a molecule that can appear in two shapes. Think of gloves, one is

>right handed and one is left handed. Dextrose is left handed and that's what

>our body uses. Dextrose is what is in IV drips, etc. The body cannot use R-

>glucose. And that's what I thought Splenda was. They've been talking about it

>for 30 years. The " ose " suffix is sugar. " Sucralose " may be the name of the R

>rotated shape as opposed to sucrose which is table sugar. The idea is that it

>tastes like sugar but the body cannot metabolise it so we get off scott free.

>

Ah. Fresh -- and young -- blood!

I took chemistry for non-majors about 30 years ago. Our text

was a comic book and most of us moved our lips when we read. Now that

I've fully disqualified myself ....

I believe I've been told that Sucralose is a regular sugar

molecule with an extra chlorine atom added somewhere, which makes the

molecule indigestible. Doesn't that make any sense to someone of your

background?

I've seen a number of discussions (probably from uninformed people) who

claimed this made Sucralose dangerous since chlorine is a poison. The

opposing side pointed out that combining such an atom within an molecule

changes its properties and could render it safe. I recall from my old

college text--as explained by Batman--that sodium chloride (table salt)

is such a molecule.

Edd

[Guest guest]

In the very early 80's, I heard about " handed " (don't remember whether it

was right or left) sugar as being in research (and use in the UK) but never

heard about it since or any specific product. In recent years, I've had a

chemist explain that that was not the same as sucralose/Splenda which

" selectively substitutes three chlorine atoms for three hydrogen-oxygen

groups on the sugar molecule " .

http://www.ific.org/publications/brochures/sucralosebroch.cfm

Sandy

T1 - 1979

<Ed wrote>

I believe I've been told that Sucralose is a regular sugar

molecule with an extra chlorine atom added somewhere, which makes the

molecule indigestible.

<lmoliver@... wrote>

> >Sucrose is a molecule that can appear in two shapes. Think of gloves,

> one is

> >right handed and one is left handed. Dextrose is left handed and that's

> what

> >our body uses. Dextrose is what is in IV drips, etc. The body cannot

> use R-

> >glucose. And that's what I thought Splenda was.

[Guest guest]

Edd: I'm a fan of yours.

Anyway, I should have done this earlier. I looked up Sucralose and found a

good explanation with structure:

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/549sucralose.html

(For some reason I can't link it from here)

Cl is a common ion, a charged particle, and is essential because it plays

important role in cellular function, body fluid balance, kidney function and

as an electrolyte. Sodium (NA) is a postive ion which readily joins with

negatively charged Cl to form NACL or salt, the ocean is saline or salted.

Without getting into a lot of detail, Cl ions are not poison. It is Cl-2, a

gas which is highly poisonous. When I worked in a wastewater treatment plant,

we treated effluent (water out of the plant into a stream) with Cl-2 gas to

kill bacteria and sterilize the water, for example. They might also be

thinking of Clorine bleach which is poisonous because of the Cl-2 gas.

Let me think about it awhile. BTW I was apparently wrong, the website shows

sucrose is a glucose (6-carbon in the chair formation) linked to the fructose

(5-carbon sugar) in an glycositic bond. The additional Cl groups makes sucrose

less soluble, more stable and less susceptable to breaking down by pathways

such as glycolysis. Apparently the Cl groups change the structure also, but

it's not the R,L thing I thought.

I don't know if this will clear anything up, but I can promise you it does not

appear to be harmful. If diabetics are using it and it's not making the BG go

up that is more evidence that it is not being metabolized in the body. As a

group we are,I believe, just wary, if it's too good to be true, it's too good

to be true. That's a good thing. I noticed all the dot-coms when I looked for

sucralose.

I'll discuss this with my professors next week when they get back to campus and

see what they say. And I'll let you know their opinions.

PS: The Today Show is talking about Jack LaLane who is going to be 90 and

still fit as a fiddle. I think they said he is going to be on tomorrow.

Quoting Edd :

> lmoliver@... wrote:

>

> >Sucrose is a molecule that can appear in two shapes. Think of gloves, one

> is

> >right handed and one is left handed. Dextrose is left handed and that's

> what

> >our body uses. Dextrose is what is in IV drips, etc. The body cannot use

> R-

> >glucose. And that's what I thought Splenda was. They've been talking about

> it

> >for 30 years. The " ose " suffix is sugar. " Sucralose " may be the name of

> the R

> >rotated shape as opposed to sucrose which is table sugar. The idea is that

> it

> >tastes like sugar but the body cannot metabolise it so we get off scott

> free.

> >

>

>

> Ah. Fresh -- and young -- blood!

>

>

> I took chemistry for non-majors about 30 years ago. Our text

> was a comic book and most of us moved our lips when we read. Now that

> I've fully disqualified myself ....

>

>

> I believe I've been told that Sucralose is a regular sugar

> molecule with an extra chlorine atom added somewhere, which makes the

> molecule indigestible. Doesn't that make any sense to someone of your

> background?

>

>

> I've seen a number of discussions (probably from uninformed people) who

> claimed this made Sucralose dangerous since chlorine is a poison. The

> opposing side pointed out that combining such an atom within an molecule

> changes its properties and could render it safe. I recall from my old

> college text--as explained by Batman--that sodium chloride (table salt)

> is such a molecule.

>

>

> Edd

[Guest guest]

> " selectively substitutes three chlorine atoms for three hydrogen-oxygen

> groups on the sugar molecule " .

Considering that this information is supported by the food industry

themselves, i am still leary of artificial sweeteners. Sometimes it is

best to err on the side of caution I prefer not to " need " my food as

sweet but rather savory.

" The IFIC Foundation is supported primarily by the broad-based food,

beverage and agricultural industries. IFIC Foundation materials are

available at http://ific.org. "

re: http://navigator.tufts.edu/educators/sites/145.html

re: http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/502500/

Dale