Re: we'll try again with the labs

[Guest guest]

your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free t4 look

ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs since you

are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: we'll try again with the labs

>Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:46:39 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

I asked Dr. Drisko about taking iron for the low ferritin and she didn't

recommend dealing with it right now as I am already inflamed and it can be

inflammtory on the gut. So I am patiently? waiting to begin addressing that

issue once again. I am already struggling with my stool and taking iron

seems to make that issue even worse.

Thank you, I am really concerned about that ferritin level.

Jen

-- RE: we'll try again with the labs

your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free t4 look

ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs since you

are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

[Guest guest]

so what is going on with your stools? Diarrhea is a major symptom of anemia

RE: we'll try again with the labs

your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free t4 look

ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs since you

are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

[Guest guest]

I also am assuming that increasing my Armour will help with the FT3, but I

should probably wait to increase until I have taken the hydrocortisone for a

length of time? Yes, does this make sense? Have I got this right?

Jen

-- RE: we'll try again with the labs

your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free t4 look

ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs since you

are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

[Guest guest]

why are you taking cortisol?

RE: we'll try again with the labs

your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free t4 look

ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs since you

are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

[Guest guest]

Well, I go back and forth between diarrhea and constipation (IBS), but when

upset go to diarrhea. Dr. Drisko asked about the shape of my stools -

queried if it was in the form of ribbons - and while in this full blown

Reactive Airway Disease that is exactly what started happening after I got

over the diarrhea from the antibiotic. Geez. She said " that " shape is due

to adrenal problems that encourage the gut to constrict and therefore make

the ribbon pattern. I found that fascinating and once again just another

sign that there are those of us who are battling these adrenal issues.

Jen

-- Re: we'll try again with the labs

so what is going on with your stools? Diarrhea is a major symptom of anemia

[Guest guest]

Jen, I too would like to know why you are taking the Cortisol. I

think there is a misunderstanding on this site. Yes, there are some

folks here who NEED to take cortisol or adrenal supplementation

before they can start or before they can continue increasing.

But there are also many who don't need adrenal support and treatment

with Armour is fine.

Whatever the answer is for you, you will definitely need an increase

in the Armour and a strong improvement in the Ferritin. My low

Ferritin prevented me from rising above 2 grains at one time.

Janie

> why are you taking cortisol?

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: NaughtyNeedler

> I also am assuming that increasing my Armour will help with the

FT3, but I should probably wait to increase until I have taken the

hydrocortisone for a length of time? Yes, does this make sense?

Have I got this right?

[Guest guest]

Well before I went into the full blown respiratory illness I was going to

take the hydrocortison to rest my adrenal glands. But then I became so ill

I decided to hold off on starting that due to being put on the Zithromax and

then the pharmacological dose of Prednisone. I'm not even mentioning the

inhalors, TB tests, and chest x-rays. I just had so much going on I decided

to wait on the hydrocortisone. Trying to recover from the acute illness

before once again tackling the sustained problems.

Jen

-- Re: we'll try again with the labs

why are you taking cortisol?

[Guest guest]

This might interest you. www.beyondwellbeing.com/ibs/qistag.shtml It is

a more holistic site than I can be comfortable with, but talks some common

sense.

If you are getting over a resp. infection, the anemia plays a major part. The

antibiotics are also something that throws the body off and suppresses your own

immune system. You also were on prednesone? The body needs to rest a bit, but I

would be worried about that low ferritin.

Re: we'll try again with the labs

why are you taking cortisol?

[Guest guest]

I remember now your previous comment about your quack!! LOL. The

crazy thing about adrenals (and trying to figure out if you need

adrenal support or not) is that you can exhibit adrenal issues while

on T4-only meds, but not necessarily need adrenal support! Switching

to Armour was all I needed to stop the horrific adrenal reactions.

Definitely not true of everyone, though.

Janie

>

> I was going to take the hydrocortisone because I was exhibiting

the signs

> and symptoms of fatigued adrenals. Mainly issues of anxiety and

increasing

> infections. I had already been diagnosed by my quack for " fight

or flight "

> issues. I also had just finished up 15 years of synthetic T4

only.

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

>

> I was going to take the hydrocortisone because I was exhibiting

the signs

> and symptoms of fatigued adrenals. Mainly issues of anxiety and

increasing

> infections. I had already been diagnosed by my quack for " fight or

flight "

> issues. I also had just finished up 15 years of synthetic T4

only.

>

> Jen

My doc ALWAYS gives anitbiotics to clear up anything that could

possibly be infection when putting someone on Cortef...I have seen

more often than not, people who seem to have a little bit of

something going on develop a full blown infection during the first

week of Cortef or delta...it seems to me it brings out any infection

going on in you - maybe during the adjutment period of your system to

the Cortef..my son got bronchial pneumonia just 3 days into the

Cortef, so the doctor put him on prednisone, inhalers and Augmentin

for 2 weeks and after he tapered down, he went to the cortef. to me

it has happened too often to be coincidental.

[Guest guest]

> I thought she hadn't taken it yet

yeah...I think you're right...but I still wanted to mention this.

[Guest guest]

> there is so much email today, I am getting confused so I thought I

would check! LOL

that Gemini mind is sharp as a tack...'tis, I..the slow deliberate

Bull who is lagging behind in the mind dept.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is easier to read, but I think I got it earlier, except I didn't see

something with the cholesterols. The fact that your good ones came up, and

the bad ones went slightly down, is good. It's not that the whole thing

dropped, but that the proportions of good against evil changed in your

favor. I understand that you dropped your thyroid back because of the

adrenal problems, but as low as your T4 and T4 are, you really can't afford

to keep them this low very much longer. It is part of what is making you

feel bad. Is your doctor now aware of what the #s are on this testing?

Still reminding about that dangerously low ferriting and whether she's said

anything about this or not.

we'll try again with the labs

> 2/19/2004

> chol 193 <200

> HDL 44 >39

> LDL 120 <130

> VLDL 28 <30

> ferritin 19 10 - 291

> FT4 1.3 .8 - 1.8

> FT3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

> TSH 1.609 .35 - 5.50

>

> 7/15/2004

> chol 207

> HDL 49

> LDL 118

> VLDL 39

> ferritin 17

> FT4 .9

> FT3 2.7

> TSH .082

>

> Hope this is easier to read.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If no attempt is made to fix this iron problem, as low as it is, you will

continue to feel worse and worse, I can guarantee this. I understand that

too high a ferritin level can do bad things too, like the inflammation, but

this is dangerously low. Why can she not understand that?! This needs to

be addressed now. There are other forms of iron, and I know that I got the

name of it wrong on another post, but there is one form that is much easier

on the stomach, but does address the heme iron thoroughly. I keep thinking

that ionyll or feronyll or something like that is in the name of it. This

is not something to mess around with at this point.

RE: we'll try again with the labs

>

> I asked Dr. Drisko about taking iron for the low ferritin and she didn't

> recommend dealing with it right now as I am already inflamed and it can be

> inflammtory on the gut. So I am patiently? waiting to begin addressing

that

> issue once again. I am already struggling with my stool and taking iron

> seems to make that issue even worse.

>

> Thank you, I am really concerned about that ferritin level.

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

That's why I love these forums! You just told me something that I didn't

know about ribbon shaped stools. Mine are like that MOST of the time, but

only sometimes are not, for short periods of time.

Re: we'll try again with the labs

>

> Well, I go back and forth between diarrhea and constipation (IBS), but

when

> upset go to diarrhea. Dr. Drisko asked about the shape of my stools -

> queried if it was in the form of ribbons - and while in this full blown

> Reactive Airway Disease that is exactly what started happening after I

got

> over the diarrhea from the antibiotic. Geez. She said " that " shape is

due

> to adrenal problems that encourage the gut to constrict and therefore make

> the ribbon pattern. I found that fascinating and once again just another

> sign that there are those of us who are battling these adrenal issues.

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

Yes, she needs to be working with you on the absorption problem, but, in the

meantime, you're already in trouble with a low ferritin. I still say that

something needs to be done about the ferritin now. This is something that

is going to put you into more trouble, if it hasn't already with your blood

counts, if it doesn't get treated pretty quickly. Do you think that she's

going to be working on the gut problem for months? If so, this is too long

for the ferritin to wait to be treated.

Re: we'll try again with the labs

> ,

>

> I think the following paragraph may sum up what the Doc was trying to

relay

> to me at this time.

>

> " Chronic gut inflammation also damages the absorptive capacity of the

> epithelium, and thus plays an important role in nutrient deficiency.

> Antibody-mediated destruction of transport proteins will also inhibit the

> absorption of these nutrients. Thus, conditions such as osteoporosis and

> fibromyalgia that often display a deficiency of certain minerals such as

> zinc, calcium and magnesium, can be reasonably linked with increased

> intestinal permeability. Beyond the impaired absorption of minerals,

> deficiencies of vitamins, amino acids and essential fatty acids can lead

the

> development of many conditions, and such generalized complaints as

fatigue,

> irritability, poor concentration and headaches. "

>

> Or in other words, lets fix your gut so that you can optimally absorb the

> iron you take, and also one of the reasons why your ferritin levels are so

> low = chronic inflammation of the gut.

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

I've had trouble with low ferritin for years now and it hasn't killed me

yet. No since in adding iron to a gut that isn't absorbing it appropriately

and could cause further inflammatory response which has made me feel as if

I am dying.

Jen

-- Re: we'll try again with the labs

Yes, she needs to be working with you on the absorption problem, but, in the

meantime, you're already in trouble with a low ferritin. I still say that

something needs to be done about the ferritin now. This is something that

is going to put you into more trouble, if it hasn't already with your blood

counts, if it doesn't get treated pretty quickly. Do you think that she's

going to be working on the gut problem for months? If so, this is too long

for the ferritin to wait to be treated.

[Guest guest]

I know where you are coming from sort of, but it isn't until we fixed the

anemia that every started working including my low folic acid from

absorption issues

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: we'll try again with the labs

>Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:03:03 -0500 (Central Standard Time)

>

[Guest guest]

Much easier to read! So your thyroid numbers all went down. What did your doctor

say about that?

Ferritin went down and cholesterol (mostly) up. Interesting. Just 5 months

difference. I'll be interested

in what everyone has to say!

in Va.

2/19/2004

chol 193 <200

HDL 44 >39

LDL 120 <130

VLDL 28 <30

ferritin 19 10 - 291

FT4 1.3 .8 - 1.8

FT3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

TSH 1.609 .35 - 5.50

7/15/2004

chol 207

HDL 49

LDL 118

VLDL 39

ferritin 17

FT4 .9

FT3 2.7

TSH .082

Hope this is easier to read.

[Guest guest]

your ferritin is way too low and so is your free t3

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: we'll try again with the labs

>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:29:03 -0400

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jen,

Well, I guess you realized too that you wouldn't want to take hydrocortisone

with Prednisone anyway.

It's the same thing, except the Prednisone is a synthetic. How did you do on

the Prednisone? Did you

gain weight? Swell? How fast did they take you off the Prednisone? It's natural

to feel bad when

coming off a high dose of Prednisone too, depending on how long you're on it

too.

in Va.

Well before I went into the full blown respiratory illness I was going to

take the hydrocortison to rest my adrenal glands. But then I became so ill

I decided to hold off on starting that due to being put on the Zithromax and

then the pharmacological dose of Prednisone. I'm not even mentioning the

inhalors, TB tests, and chest x-rays. I just had so much going on I decided

to wait on the hydrocortisone. Trying to recover from the acute illness

before once again tackling the sustained problems.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

My Ferritin < 2 only came up after my Ft4 and Ft3 went in their high

ranges due to Armour. Previous to that, my Ferritin went up to 12/24

only while taking Iron. For years I felt desperate and scared. My

Ft4 and Ft3 remained in the low ranges on Levoxyl, despite

surpressed TSH.

The Iron made me very sick, I could live without it. I understand

though, that some ex-hypos do still struggle with low Ferritins and

can handle the Iron well. It might give you a little bit of hope.

My ferritin is 51 now!

Margreet.

>

> I asked Dr. Drisko about taking iron for the low ferritin and she

didn't

> recommend dealing with it right now as I am already inflamed and

it can be

> inflammtory on the gut. So I am patiently? waiting to begin

addressing that

> issue once again. I am already struggling with my stool and

taking iron

> seems to make that issue even worse.

>

> Thank you, I am really concerned about that ferritin level.

>

> Jen

> -- RE: we'll try again with the labs

>

> your ferritn and free t3 are way too low. Even if the tsh and free

t4 look

> ok, with low ferritn your body isn't getting the benefits it needs

since you

>

> are anemic. take 325 mg of ferrous sulfate 3x a day go to

> www.goodhormonehealth.com and look up ferritin

[Guest guest]

> I also had just finished up 15 years of synthetic T4 only. <

There ya go! .....

For me it was 'only' seven years ....

Margreet.

[Guest guest]

Re ferritin testing: I SPECIFICALLY requested that my ferritin level be tested

for this reason as I'll (HOPEFULLY!) be switching to Armour.

The doctor agreed...and when I got the bill today, no ferritin, just the

hematocrit. No ferritin testing since the early 90's, my hematocrit runs

low-normal but the RBC count is low.

, WI

Re: we'll try again with the labs

>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:17:10 -0000

>