RE: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

[Guest guest]

what is epo

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>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:56:45 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

the last time they took blood from me it was very light in color, more pink

than red, anyone???

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>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:26:33 -0000

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[Guest guest]

I had been given weekly high dose shots of b-12 and folic acid. My test results

on B's were way up and still the feritin was 20 range 10-310

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

Extremely interesting article. Makes me wonder why so many of us

have low iron issues here. The part I saved below would not help

many of us with our iron though--I was on high doses of B-vitamins

and still had miserably low iron. But being on B-vitamins is very

important for hypo folks when they improve their hypo with Armour!

Thanks for sending this. I love the internet, don't you?

Janie

> In any case, anemia should be treated with certain vitamins

(mostly B-complex) rather than iron.

[Guest guest]

thanks

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

Evening Primrose Oil.......sue

> what is epo

[Guest guest]

Are you sure that it wasn't from the stuff that they already have in the

tube? Can't remember what it's called??

RE: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

> the last time they took blood from me it was very light in color, more

pink

> than red, anyone???

[Guest guest]

Nope, I watched it come from my arm, not deep red, kind of translucent

RE: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

> the last time they took blood from me it was very light in color, more

pink

> than red, anyone???

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

How high is your iron? Ferritin? I have fatigue and depression. I think my serum

iron was

slightly above midpoint. My ferritin is 125 (10-291) I'm going to try to get

my doctor to

test again to see if the ferritin has risen.

Thanks for the interesting info on the fatigue and depression.

in Va.

> > hee hee hee...he's A+ how long would that tube need to be??

we're

> > in chicago.

>

> Only about 800 or so odd miles give or take a few hundred. It could

> be run underground like fiberoptic cable. Maybe I can get a DSL

> connection or something. There's got to be some government grant

> available for this kind of thing. Maybe roto rooter would sponser

> it...good publicity and all that.

>

>

ahh....the possibilities. Both of you would feel better too - that's

the best part! Fatigue and depression are some of the symptoms of

high iron.

[Guest guest]

Iron anemia is a whole different issue from B12, Folic Acid Anemia, or other

nutritional anemias. They all have their own pattern on the red blood cell

counts. If a person studies this, they will know that the pattern of anemia

in iron anemia has small red blood cells and some other abnormalities that

fit that pattern of anemia. B12 and Folic Acid anemias fit another pattern,

as in oversized red blood cells, but not all of them, can be a few, a high

MCV, and some other abnormalities that fit that particular pattern of

anemia. And, yes, it IS dangerous to take iron with no low ferritin, but a

low ferritin HAS to be treated NOW because it is the first signal that iron

ANEMIA in the red blood cells is on it's way. There is no sense waiting

until the red blood cells are affected. The hemoglobin is down, no matter

what, in ALL 3 of these main anemias, and all are very common, it's just

that doctors are too lamebrained to know the difference, for some strange

reason. I'll say again, patying in medical school and barely got by in

graduation. How they remain doctors, I do NOT know! I would not be taking

iron, if I had a naturally good ferritin, which I do, so far (70), but I

would if my ferritin dropped to a30 to 40, I can guarantee you, if only a

small amt. I DID have Folic Acid anemia, so I got busy educating myself on

the sbjct and immediately started supplements of both in much higher amts

than the average person. Chronic hypo does this sort of thing to us, but,

unless we have an absorption problem in the gut it can be corrected,

especially after the thyroid problems are more stable.

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

> I see your point Janie, but it says anemia, not low iron. In other

> words, what he is saying (I think) is that lets say you have a

> hemoglobin of 10. Then, regular amounts of iron you get from food

> (barring malabsorbtion) should be enough, but the B's are needed to

> raise the hemoglobin, and reverse ANEMIA. Personally, I took iron

> when my hemoglobin was a 10, and lots of it. I feel I did need it,

> since my FE was like 18 and ferritin was a 4 along with the anemia. I

> think what he means is that if you are serum iron (FE) deficient or

> ferritin deficient that its a whole other ball game than being

> anemic, and that putting iron in your system with low fe and ferritin

> without clinical anemia can be dangerous. That dumping iron in the

> system is not the answer to the ferritin/serum iron deficiencies w/o

> clinical anemia, that there is an underlying insidious cause for the

> problem to begin with.

>

> You know I'm going to devil's advocate everything since there is so

> much bad info out there. Even if I believe in something I'm ambiguous

> enough to not take a major stand until I see both sides...and even

> argue both to myself!

>

> In any case, we do have to view deficiency and anemia as seperate

> issues. Even though deficiency can cause anemia, it doesn't always

> happen that way because they are seperate problems....

>

> And yes, I love the net. You learn so many good things worth picking

> apart and over analyzing! That's my OTHER hobby! :-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello healthseeker50ish,

h> and possible food allergies? What kind of anemia do I have?

Iron deficiency from these results -your iron stores were probably

depleted by the regular blood donation

I don't see vitamin c on your list - vitamin c helps with iron

uptake - what iron supplement are you on?

h> Why are

h> the platelets high?

Platelets are often raised with iron deficiency and inflammatory

processes -however a lot of labs wouldn't flag high platelets under

500

--

Best regards,

Alison

http://www.alisonashwell.com

mailto:alison.ashwell@...

new work uploaded

http://www.artwanted.com/alisonashwell

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[Guest guest]

how many mg of iron a day

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 03:49:21 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

What is a good amount of time to wait to retest my ferritin levels after

supplementing? Experience anyone?

Thanks,

Roxanna

Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M.

W Plouff

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

> I see your point Janie, but it says anemia, not low iron. In other

> words, what he is saying (I think) is that lets say you have a

> hemoglobin of 10. Then, regular amounts of iron you get from food

> (barring malabsorbtion) should be enough, but the B's are needed to

> raise the hemoglobin, and reverse ANEMIA. Personally, I took iron

> when my hemoglobin was a 10, and lots of it. I feel I did need it,

> since my FE was like 18 and ferritin was a 4 along with the anemia. I

> think what he means is that if you are serum iron (FE) deficient or

> ferritin deficient that its a whole other ball game than being

> anemic, and that putting iron in your system with low fe and ferritin

> without clinical anemia can be dangerous. That dumping iron in the

> system is not the answer to the ferritin/serum iron deficiencies w/o

> clinical anemia, that there is an underlying insidious cause for the

> problem to begin with.

>

> You know I'm going to devil's advocate everything since there is so

> much bad info out there. Even if I believe in something I'm ambiguous

> enough to not take a major stand until I see both sides...and even

> argue both to myself!

>

> In any case, we do have to view deficiency and anemia as seperate

> issues. Even though deficiency can cause anemia, it doesn't always

> happen that way because they are seperate problems....

>

> And yes, I love the net. You learn so many good things worth picking

> apart and over analyzing! That's my OTHER hobby! :-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

8 weeks

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:33:09 -0400

>

[Guest guest]

Hello healthseeker50ish,

Saturday, August 7, 2004, 8:23:00 PM, you wrote:

h> Alison; I do take vitamin C powdered about 1000 mg /day

ok

h> Also, how long should I wait before being retested?

were the results you gave the ones before starting iron supplements?

most Drs would probably recommend a full blood count after 3 months as Iron

deficiency should be corrected in 3-4 months with the right

iron supplements and then probably another

similar length of time [or more] to fill up the iron stores. [not all

Drs agree with extended iron supplements after initial anaemia is resolved]

Testing ferritin after 3 months and again after 6 months of iron

supplementation would be a

good idea - it all depends on how well you absorb the iron and how

much you are losing by other means.

Do you have heavy periods or other blood loss issues?

What sort

of diet do you have - is it rich in iron from animal sources?

--

Best regards,

Alison

http://www.alisonashwell.com

mailto:alison.ashwell@...

new work uploaded

http://www.artwanted.com/alisonashwell

http://www.voodoochilli.net/artists/alisonashwell/

[Guest guest]

I looked up the liquid iron supplements. In 11000 mg of liquid liver, only

Iron 2 mg 11 %

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Liquid Liver Fractions 1,100 mg *

(predigested soluble concentrate)

That is way too low with your ferritin levels. Go to

www.goodhormonehealth.com

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>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:26:13 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

8 weeks what?

Re: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:33:09 -0400

>

[Guest guest]

sorry, the first time she checks her ferritin after she starts an iron

therapy should be 8 weeks, so they can see if it is too little. Some people

take such a low amount, it takes a year to increase if at all.

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: RE: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:39:42 -0500

>

[Guest guest]

my DR had me on 325 mg 3x a day for 2 months before I was tested. I went

from 20 to 50. I dropped now to 1x a day.

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:02:52 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

How many mg of elemental iron is that? I noticed that many supplements talk

about high mgs of iron whatever, but are only small mgs of elemental iron.

Roxanna

Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M.

W Plouff

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:02:52 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

65 mg per pill or 195 mg a day

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:02:52 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

you are not on enough iron. With the b-12, are you taking a pill or a lozenge

under the tongue? Did they check your folic acid? Your b-12 wasn't that low, so

I wonder if like me you have a folic acid issue

Re: Ferritin, iron, shenanigans

;

I had my ferritin checked in April and have been on iron supplements ,

I still am very tired, achy joints, swelling etc.

I have been taking

Pyhto Pharmica Vitamin B12 capsules (recommended by Pharmacist)

ingredients B12 100mg, liver extract 550 mg ginseng 25mg

Also take multivitamin with selenium, B50 complex(2), cal mag, extra

magnesium, lysine, antioxidant, and Somalife GHP (growth hormone

precursor)

ferritin 4 range 12-200 ug/L

WBC 6.8 4-11

RBC 4.51 4-5.6

hemoglobin 118 120-160

hematocrit .353 .36-.48

platelet 481 150-400

neutrophils 4.6 2-9

lymphocytes 2. .5-3.3

monocytes .2 .0-1.

b12 225 140.-800

TSH 1.42 .2-6.

Free T3 5.1 2.7-5.7

Free T4 7.9 8-22

antithyroid peroxidase 313.6 <60

I have since upped Pfizer dessicated thyroid from 2 grains to 3.

Had gone up to 4 but had to back down again.

I also have extensive vitiligo and fibromyalgia (diagnosed by

Chiropractor not MD)

Have a Doctors appt on Monday , think I should ask about celiac test

and possible food allergies? What kind of anemia do I have? Why are

the platelets high?

I was donating blood 3 or 4 times a year but have not given any since

March this year, Guess I should keep it until it is healthier

O

> Iron anemia is a whole different issue from B12, Folic Acid Anemia,

or other

> nutritional anemias. They all have their own pattern on the red

blood cell

> counts. If a person studies this, they will know that the pattern

of anemia

> in iron anemia has small red blood cells and some other

abnormalities that

> fit that pattern of anemia. B12 and Folic Acid anemias fit another

pattern,

> as in oversized red blood cells, but not all of them, can be a few,

a high

> MCV, and some other abnormalities that fit that particular pattern

of

> anemia. And, yes, it IS dangerous to take iron with no low

ferritin, but a

> low ferritin HAS to be treated NOW because it is the first signal

that iron