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> I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up,

although I have managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a

high of 97.4

> The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at

some time in the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just

after I had eaten lunch at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided

to take my temperature. My basal first thing this morning was 97.4

but now it is down to 97.0 which is obviously why I am feeling this

internal shivering and yet I don't feel cold.

> I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains

of armour split into 2 doses.

> Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try

to go up to 4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too

much. I suppose I could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4

grains.

> Lynda (in the UK)

You could increase HC for a short time and see how you do on it...I

know others who have done this and found it helped, then wnet back

down to the previous 20mg daily. Your body may be stressed for some

unapparent reason right now.

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Hi ,

I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree?

Lynda (in the UK)

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You could increase HC for a short time and see how you do on it...I

know others who have done this and found it helped, then wnet back

down to the previous 20mg daily. Your body may be stressed for some

unapparent reason right now.

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This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with

respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture

takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that

when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small

capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that

excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of

the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is

a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is

having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food

requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal

fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after

eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the

adrenals.

My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little

for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give

your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have

become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon

before the adrenals were ready.

Tish

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Hi Tish,

thanks for your reply.

I have been taking 20mg h/c for 8 months now but I had already been taking

armour for a few months prior to that. I know that some docs recommend that

adrenal support should be given first before the armour. I did stop armour for

a week when I first started taking the h/c but I felt so awful that some of the

others here felt that I should start taking armour again.

I find that if I do anything that is the least bit physical (for example I

vacuumed the carpets this morning) makes me overheat very quickly - would that

tie in with what you were saying? I doesn't seem like very much effort but

perhaps because I have been ill for such a long time it is too much effort for

my body?

Yesterday I did a bit of weeding in the garden (only about 10 minutes) and even

that was too much. It also didn't help that I fell over backwards while I was

doing it and when I landed (on my derriere!) I hit the back of my hand on the

edge of a brick. No real harm done but it is very swollen.

I think I will try increasing the h/c to 30mg a day for a few days and see what

happens

Lynda (in the UK)

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This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with

respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture

takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that

when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small

capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that

excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of

the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is

a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is

having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food

requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal

fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after

eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the

adrenals.

My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little

for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give

your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have

become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon

before the adrenals were ready.

Tish

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> Hi ,

> I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree?

> Lynda (in the UK)

Yes, absolutely, and I also did that at extra stressful times.

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I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as I don't have

any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There is only dh and me at

home and everything is running very smoothly

Lynda (in the UK)

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> Hi ,

> I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree?

> Lynda (in the UK)

Yes, absolutely, and I also did that at extra stressful times.

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not that I know of, I hardly ever leave the house except to do some shopping.

Maybe my little " bump " yesterday stressed my body? Crikey, if that's all it

takes I still have a long way to go <lol>

Lynda

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> I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as

I don't have any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There

is only dh and me at home and everything is running very smoothly

> Lynda (in the UK)

were you around anyone sick and maybe fighting getting it??

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This may sound too simple, but could it be that most of your bodily energy

is going into digestion, particularly if your thyroid hormones haven't been

corrected for that long a time. Maybe the energy is diverted just long

enough to leave the rest of your body " without " , for a short time. Is it

usually withing a couple of hrs after you've eaten a meal?

internal shivering

> I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up, although I

have managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a high of 97.4

> The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at some

time in the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just after I had

eaten lunch at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided to take my

temperature. My basal first thing this morning was 97.4 but now it is down

to 97.0 which is obviously why I am feeling this internal shivering and yet

I don't feel cold.

> I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains of

armour split into 2 doses.

> Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try to go

up to 4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too much. I

suppose I could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4 grains.

> Lynda (in the UK)

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But what about those of us who can't lie down because we are at work

somewhere else other than home? I was having this constantly, and, even

though my thyroid hormones are more regulated than they were, I still have

this sometimes while working. In the working world outside of home, lunch

or dinner breaks amt to all of 30 minutes! This was when my chest and back

were getting their coldest inside, and it was the most horrible feeling, to

not be able to get warm, even with a coat on!

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> This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with

> respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture

> takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that

> when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small

> capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that

> excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of

> the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is

> a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is

> having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food

> requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal

> fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after

> eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the

> adrenals.

>

> My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little

> for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give

> your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have

> become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon

> before the adrenals were ready.

>

> Tish

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Hi, Lynda,

Strangely enough, I've always heard that this internal shivering is from the

adrenals. But you are treating them. Are you having any extra stress right now?

If so, you'd want to double the hydrocortisone for a couple of days and then

gradually go back to the 20mg. a day. Dr. Rind on his site has something about

taking the temperature and there's a certain pattern that indicates the

adrenals, but I don't remember it. (www.drrind.com)

Hope you figure it out!

in Va.

I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up, although I have

managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a high of 97.4

The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at some time in

the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just after I had eaten lunch

at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided to take my temperature. My basal

first thing this morning was 97.4 but now it is down to 97.0 which is obviously

why I am feeling this internal shivering and yet I don't feel cold.

I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains of armour

split into 2 doses.

Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try to go up to

4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too much. I suppose I

could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4 grains.

Lynda (in the UK)

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Hi ,

Yes, Dr Rind states that in a hypoadrenal state temps are low and unstable.

I increased my hydrocortisone to 30mg on Monday. Still no improvement, basal

today was 97.7 but dropped to 97.0 at 11am

I am not under any kind of stress at all so it's not that. I've never been

able to get my temp up so I think it's just that I have long-standing adrenal

stress.

I plan to take 30mg for a week and see what happens.

Lynda (in the UK)

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Hi, Lynda,

Strangely enough, I've always heard that this internal shivering is from the

adrenals. But you are treating them. Are you having any extra stress right now?

If so, you'd want to double the hydrocortisone for a couple of days and then

gradually go back to the 20mg. a day. Dr. Rind on his site has something about

taking the temperature and there's a certain pattern that indicates the

adrenals, but I don't remember it. (www.drrind.com)

Hope you figure it out!

in Va.

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In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:31:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> Didn't someone say

> digesting food was stressful if you're low in cortisol? Just trying to

> remember

butting in here...to just mention that I had been having lots of digestive

problems. i read somewhere how sometimes don't have enough digestive enzymes to

properly digest food...and it recommended a digestive enzyme supplement. I

have started taking one in the afternoon right after I eat...and my stomach

pains have stopped. So just thought I'd mention that.

cindi

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I can't recall your original post. Did you say you'd just finished eating?

Didn't someone say

digesting food was stressful if you're low in cortisol? Just trying to

remember.

in Va.

> I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as

I don't have any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There

is only dh and me at home and everything is running very smoothly

> Lynda (in the UK)

were you around anyone sick and maybe fighting getting it??

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Lynda,

I know it's weird! Whenever I'm stressed, if I'm not taking sufficient B

vitamins, the corners of my mouth start cracking. In February I fell in a

theatre and got a doozy of a hemotoma on my shin. Within an hour, the corners of

my mouth were cracking! I took extra B vitamins and it cleared up. So yes,

stress, can do things!

in Va.

PS And it appears to be the sublingual B's that works best for me for this!

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not that I know of, I hardly ever leave the house except to do some shopping.

Maybe my little " bump " yesterday stressed my body? Crikey, if that's all it

takes I still have a long way to go <lol>

Lynda

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Hi, Lynda,

Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue to

feel better.

in Va.

Hi ,

Yes, Dr Rind states that in a hypoadrenal state temps are low and unstable.

I increased my hydrocortisone to 30mg on Monday. Still no improvement, basal

today was 97.7 but dropped to 97.0 at 11am

I am not under any kind of stress at all so it's not that. I've never been

able to get my temp up so I think it's just that I have long-standing adrenal

stress.

I plan to take 30mg for a week and see what happens.

Lynda (in the UK)

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Hi ,

thanks for thinking about me <g>

No, I can't say there has been any improvement. Been checking my temps

everyday and it is very wierd. For example, Friday basal was 97.2 but by 9am

had gone down to 96.5, at noon back up to 97.2. Basal this morning was 97.1

Still getting this internal shaking, I think it might be low blood sugar so I am

going to try eating small meals or snacks every 3 hours. I never really feel

hungry so by the time I realise that it is time to eat I've gone too long

without food (although I do eat regularly breakfast, lunch and dinner - just

that sometimes there's too long a gap in between)

I still can't understand why I can't get my temp up, I increased the h/c to 30mg

at the beginning of last week and it doesn't seem to be doing the job. I don't

know how long it is safe to stay on this dose, anyone know??

Lynda (in the UK) where summer seems to have passed us by

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Hi, Lynda,

Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue to

feel better.

in Va.

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I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The

ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my

ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested?

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Hi, Lynda,

Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue

to feel better.

in Va.

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Hi Jamy,

I haven't had my ferritin tested recently but (throughout my life) every time I

have had a blood test I am always borderline anaemic. For that reason I have

been taking iron bisglycinate for a few months now. Next time I see my doc I

will ask for a test.

Lynda (in the UK)

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I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The

ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my

ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested?

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make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic acid

test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose, but

don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous.

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I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The

ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my

ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested?

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yes, I am taking just 50mg. A while ago sent an interesting link about

different types of anaemia. When I first became ill and had blood tests done

my doc told me the report said that my red blood cells were enlarged and

mis-shapen but he didn't offer any comment on why.

The link that sent had a section about that and it indicates folic acid

deficiency. Now why didn't my doc know that? (answers on a postcard......)!!

I am now taking folic acid and I will ask to be retested soon.

Lynda (in the UK)

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make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic

acid test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose,

but don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous.

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I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I also

take b-12

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make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic

acid test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose,

but don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous.

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Jamy,

did they test for the folic acid in-born error? How did it show?

Lynda (in the UK)

ps I am also taking B12, 1000mcg per day as recommended by a private doc

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I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I

also take b-12

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I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine, blood

shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing!

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I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I

also take b-12

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oops, can't see our NHS paying out for that!

Lynda

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I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine, blood

shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing!

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they won't, but there is a basic folic acid test. Make sure you take no

vitamins, iron etc. for 4 days prior to testing

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I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine,

blood shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing!

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