Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 > I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up, although I have managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a high of 97.4 > The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at some time in the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just after I had eaten lunch at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided to take my temperature. My basal first thing this morning was 97.4 but now it is down to 97.0 which is obviously why I am feeling this internal shivering and yet I don't feel cold. > I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains of armour split into 2 doses. > Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try to go up to 4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too much. I suppose I could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4 grains. > Lynda (in the UK) You could increase HC for a short time and see how you do on it...I know others who have done this and found it helped, then wnet back down to the previous 20mg daily. Your body may be stressed for some unapparent reason right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Hi , I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree? Lynda (in the UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: astrodiana You could increase HC for a short time and see how you do on it...I know others who have done this and found it helped, then wnet back down to the previous 20mg daily. Your body may be stressed for some unapparent reason right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the adrenals. My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon before the adrenals were ready. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Hi Tish, thanks for your reply. I have been taking 20mg h/c for 8 months now but I had already been taking armour for a few months prior to that. I know that some docs recommend that adrenal support should be given first before the armour. I did stop armour for a week when I first started taking the h/c but I felt so awful that some of the others here felt that I should start taking armour again. I find that if I do anything that is the least bit physical (for example I vacuumed the carpets this morning) makes me overheat very quickly - would that tie in with what you were saying? I doesn't seem like very much effort but perhaps because I have been ill for such a long time it is too much effort for my body? Yesterday I did a bit of weeding in the garden (only about 10 minutes) and even that was too much. It also didn't help that I fell over backwards while I was doing it and when I landed (on my derriere!) I hit the back of my hand on the edge of a brick. No real harm done but it is very swollen. I think I will try increasing the h/c to 30mg a day for a few days and see what happens Lynda (in the UK) Re: internal shivering This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the adrenals. My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon before the adrenals were ready. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 > Hi , > I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree? > Lynda (in the UK) Yes, absolutely, and I also did that at extra stressful times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as I don't have any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There is only dh and me at home and everything is running very smoothly Lynda (in the UK) Re: internal shivering > Hi , > I believe Peatfield says that upto 30mg is ok, would you agree? > Lynda (in the UK) Yes, absolutely, and I also did that at extra stressful times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 not that I know of, I hardly ever leave the house except to do some shopping. Maybe my little " bump " yesterday stressed my body? Crikey, if that's all it takes I still have a long way to go <lol> Lynda Re: internal shivering > I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as I don't have any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There is only dh and me at home and everything is running very smoothly > Lynda (in the UK) were you around anyone sick and maybe fighting getting it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 This may sound too simple, but could it be that most of your bodily energy is going into digestion, particularly if your thyroid hormones haven't been corrected for that long a time. Maybe the energy is diverted just long enough to leave the rest of your body " without " , for a short time. Is it usually withing a couple of hrs after you've eaten a meal? internal shivering > I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up, although I have managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a high of 97.4 > The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at some time in the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just after I had eaten lunch at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided to take my temperature. My basal first thing this morning was 97.4 but now it is down to 97.0 which is obviously why I am feeling this internal shivering and yet I don't feel cold. > I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains of armour split into 2 doses. > Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try to go up to 4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too much. I suppose I could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4 grains. > Lynda (in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 But what about those of us who can't lie down because we are at work somewhere else other than home? I was having this constantly, and, even though my thyroid hormones are more regulated than they were, I still have this sometimes while working. In the working world outside of home, lunch or dinner breaks amt to all of 30 minutes! This was when my chest and back were getting their coldest inside, and it was the most horrible feeling, to not be able to get warm, even with a coat on! Re: internal shivering > This one I am very familiar with. Your cortisol is too low with > respect to thyroid. When cortisol goes too low, body temperture > takes a dive. I suspect the shivering has to do with the fact that > when cortisol goes too low, you no longer can restrict small > capilaries in the skin and the outer extremities. The result is that > excess heat is lost from the body and you feel cold in the trunk of > the body and cannot regulate your body heat well. Also, shakiness is > a side effect of low cortisol. Another symptom of low cortisol is > having shakiness and hypoglycemia after meals. Digestion of food > requires a lot of cortisol. Some doctors who specialize in adrenal > fatige recommend that patients lie down for 10 to 20 minutes after > eating because of this. Lying down reduces the demands on the > adrenals. > > My suggestion is to either rest more or drop thyroid down a little > for a while or increase hydrocortisone a little or something to give > your adrenals a rest and chance to rebuild their stores. They have > become depleted from stress of some type or raising thyoid too soon > before the adrenals were ready. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hi, Lynda, Strangely enough, I've always heard that this internal shivering is from the adrenals. But you are treating them. Are you having any extra stress right now? If so, you'd want to double the hydrocortisone for a couple of days and then gradually go back to the 20mg. a day. Dr. Rind on his site has something about taking the temperature and there's a certain pattern that indicates the adrenals, but I don't remember it. (www.drrind.com) Hope you figure it out! in Va. I have a long standing problem in getting my temperature up, although I have managed to increase my basal from a low of 95 to a high of 97.4 The last few days I have had this internal shivering/shakiness at some time in the day, usually around 11am but today it happened just after I had eaten lunch at 12 noon. So, out of interest, I decided to take my temperature. My basal first thing this morning was 97.4 but now it is down to 97.0 which is obviously why I am feeling this internal shivering and yet I don't feel cold. I am taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 times a day and 3 and 1/2 grains of armour split into 2 doses. Can anyone advise on the wisdom of increasing the h/c? I did try to go up to 4 grains of armour two weeks ago but it seemed to be too much. I suppose I could split my half grain tabs and try 3 and 3/4 grains. Lynda (in the UK) [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hi , Yes, Dr Rind states that in a hypoadrenal state temps are low and unstable. I increased my hydrocortisone to 30mg on Monday. Still no improvement, basal today was 97.7 but dropped to 97.0 at 11am I am not under any kind of stress at all so it's not that. I've never been able to get my temp up so I think it's just that I have long-standing adrenal stress. I plan to take 30mg for a week and see what happens. Lynda (in the UK) Re: internal shivering Hi, Lynda, Strangely enough, I've always heard that this internal shivering is from the adrenals. But you are treating them. Are you having any extra stress right now? If so, you'd want to double the hydrocortisone for a couple of days and then gradually go back to the 20mg. a day. Dr. Rind on his site has something about taking the temperature and there's a certain pattern that indicates the adrenals, but I don't remember it. (www.drrind.com) Hope you figure it out! in Va. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:31:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, cubfan23@... writes: > Didn't someone say > digesting food was stressful if you're low in cortisol? Just trying to > remember butting in here...to just mention that I had been having lots of digestive problems. i read somewhere how sometimes don't have enough digestive enzymes to properly digest food...and it recommended a digestive enzyme supplement. I have started taking one in the afternoon right after I eat...and my stomach pains have stopped. So just thought I'd mention that. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I can't recall your original post. Did you say you'd just finished eating? Didn't someone say digesting food was stressful if you're low in cortisol? Just trying to remember. in Va. > I'll do that but I don't really understand why this is happening as I don't have any stress in my life since I gave up my career. There is only dh and me at home and everything is running very smoothly > Lynda (in the UK) were you around anyone sick and maybe fighting getting it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Lynda, I know it's weird! Whenever I'm stressed, if I'm not taking sufficient B vitamins, the corners of my mouth start cracking. In February I fell in a theatre and got a doozy of a hemotoma on my shin. Within an hour, the corners of my mouth were cracking! I took extra B vitamins and it cleared up. So yes, stress, can do things! in Va. PS And it appears to be the sublingual B's that works best for me for this! ----- not that I know of, I hardly ever leave the house except to do some shopping. Maybe my little " bump " yesterday stressed my body? Crikey, if that's all it takes I still have a long way to go <lol> Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi, Lynda, Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue to feel better. in Va. Hi , Yes, Dr Rind states that in a hypoadrenal state temps are low and unstable. I increased my hydrocortisone to 30mg on Monday. Still no improvement, basal today was 97.7 but dropped to 97.0 at 11am I am not under any kind of stress at all so it's not that. I've never been able to get my temp up so I think it's just that I have long-standing adrenal stress. I plan to take 30mg for a week and see what happens. Lynda (in the UK) ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi , thanks for thinking about me <g> No, I can't say there has been any improvement. Been checking my temps everyday and it is very wierd. For example, Friday basal was 97.2 but by 9am had gone down to 96.5, at noon back up to 97.2. Basal this morning was 97.1 Still getting this internal shaking, I think it might be low blood sugar so I am going to try eating small meals or snacks every 3 hours. I never really feel hungry so by the time I realise that it is time to eat I've gone too long without food (although I do eat regularly breakfast, lunch and dinner - just that sometimes there's too long a gap in between) I still can't understand why I can't get my temp up, I increased the h/c to 30mg at the beginning of last week and it doesn't seem to be doing the job. I don't know how long it is safe to stay on this dose, anyone know?? Lynda (in the UK) where summer seems to have passed us by Re: internal shivering Hi, Lynda, Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue to feel better. in Va. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested? Re: internal shivering Hi, Lynda, Any improvements yet? Might take awhile to see it. I sure hope you continue to feel better. in Va. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi Jamy, I haven't had my ferritin tested recently but (throughout my life) every time I have had a blood test I am always borderline anaemic. For that reason I have been taking iron bisglycinate for a few months now. Next time I see my doc I will ask for a test. Lynda (in the UK) Re: internal shivering I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic acid test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose, but don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous. Re: internal shivering I have heard a lot of talk about temp and I have discovered a new issue. The ferritin levels when they are low also cause low body temperature. Once my ferritin is up, my body temps are up. Have you had your ferritin tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 yes, I am taking just 50mg. A while ago sent an interesting link about different types of anaemia. When I first became ill and had blood tests done my doc told me the report said that my red blood cells were enlarged and mis-shapen but he didn't offer any comment on why. The link that sent had a section about that and it indicates folic acid deficiency. Now why didn't my doc know that? (answers on a postcard......)!! I am now taking folic acid and I will ask to be retested soon. Lynda (in the UK) Re: internal shivering make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic acid test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose, but don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I also take b-12 Re: internal shivering make sure it the ferritin level they test. Also ask for the b-12 and folic acid test. Most people that have low ferritin were taking too low an iron dose, but don't take much till you get it tested. High iron is dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Jamy, did they test for the folic acid in-born error? How did it show? Lynda (in the UK) ps I am also taking B12, 1000mcg per day as recommended by a private doc Re: internal shivering I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I also take b-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine, blood shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing! Re: internal shivering I have a folic acid in-born error, so it was folic acid I need most, but I also take b-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 oops, can't see our NHS paying out for that! Lynda Re: internal shivering I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine, blood shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 they won't, but there is a basic folic acid test. Make sure you take no vitamins, iron etc. for 4 days prior to testing Re: internal shivering I had a lot of tests looking at blood, etc. It showed up in homocystine, blood shape and folic combined test. ( I think) 5k worth of testing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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