RE: yeast question

[Guest guest]

I understand, I felt the same way the

first time I came across this information. At the time, I thought that I

would still find the simple answer and get better. Well, another year

went by of me trying all kinds of painful, humiliating, and ineffective

treatments – and I was still the same. We had added up everything I

had spent on this health issue, and it totaled over 30,000. After that, I

realized that twenty dollars was nothing.

I ordered it in desperation, and after

reading it, I was very compelled to try everything she has recommended. I

am still working on working with my doctor to try her protocols (for example,

she doesn’t want to give me more than 1 week of Diflucan.)

I have already posted more information

about this about two weeks ago. Please look for my posts in the archives.

Negative cultures don’t mean

anything – for lots of reasons. The number one cause in vulvodynia

cases is because the yeast have burrowed into the tissues of the vulva

(resulting in pain, inflammation, redness, and other symptoms of their metabolism

- the end product of which is alcohol.

Please do as you choose, but I am hoping

to save someone years of pain and despair.

I am not 100% better yet, but I am off all

pain meds such as Lyrica, Cymbalta, and other nasty drugs. I can still

feel the vulvodynia but I am not suicidal. To me, that is already

improvement.

I hope this helps someone.

Anne

PS, I would copy her information for

everyone, but it is her livelihood and is also protected by copywrite. I don’t

want to steal her work to share with everyone, but I do want to help you hear

about her.

Subject:

yeast question

I don't know if I am interested in following her plan

as I don't know

what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't want to spend

another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info needed!

I have had cultures done and they were negative.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Anne, I'm happy you are getting relief... but I think I disagree with you that the number one cause of vv is yeast. IF it were that simple - so many of us who have been on non stop yeast meds etc for months and months (sometimes years) at a time would have long ago been healed. It is indeed the cause for some women - but posts here and experience of my own say that it is probably not the case in most.

I agree with you that it is good to rule out yeast - and we should probably do so by tried and true methods - cultures and biopsy of the affected area to find overgrowths and to identify the strain. I fear that docs and patients alike aren't reading the medical info that tells us that yeast is becoming resistant and developing in newer strains (just as virus's are now too) which do not respond to traditional meds..... and this is most likely from overuse of antifungal treatments. It's just way too easy for women and docs to 'assume' its yeast causing the itching, etc. and self medicate or docs prescribe Diflucan as if it will cure everything. That's sort of like prescribing an antibiotic for diabetes. It just doesn't do any good and will instead do harm.

I did get yeast early on in this, but the yeast was a direct result of cold turkey cessation of HRT because of the WHI reports on its dangers. Three months later, I had SEVERE vulvo vaginal atrophy (but with no yeast infection yet) with a really screwed up vaginal pH as a result. Trouble is, my doc didn't check the pH and prescribed two weeks of nightly estrace cream. Though vagina and vular skin were literally dying for estrogen, the assualt of that much estrogen in a poorly balanced pH environment caused a MAJOR yeast infection. No yeast until then - except once before in my whole life - in my 20's. Once I got back onto a HRT program and found the right dosage for me, yeast was no longer a problem.

I think we need to systematically rule out everything we can so that we know what is NOT causing our pain. Tissue biopsy and culture should rule out yeast, just as it does other diseases (i.e. cancer, the Lichens etc.) . Blood tests for STD's, various infections are easy as well, as are evaluations for PFD. Allergies should be ruled out even allergies to yeast. Thyroid problems, auto immune problems And so on.

I can't tell you how many women on this list were totally convinced over the years that yeast was the problem, only to discover that once they got the vaginal pH right, and systemic hormones right or Celiac diagnosed or Lichen Sclerosus diagnosed, etc. etc. - yeast was never it at all.

Having said all of that, there is a group of women for whom clearing up the yeast problem solved the vv pain. If I suspected yeast still, I would have a biopsy of the worst areas to confirm 'embedded' yeast and I would have a culture w/typing of strain.

Just my thoughts

Dusty

yeast question

I don't know if I am interested in following her plan as I don't know what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't want to spend another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info needed!I have had cultures done and they were negative.Diane

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I appreciate the energy you've put into providing information to the group on this

topic of the relationship between embedded yeast and chronic pelvic pain.

I'm going to purchase the $20 packet and take a good look at Dr. Crandell's

information.

Just so you know that your efforts have not all been for naught. . . .

Hollis

[Guest guest]

Please let the group know your opinion once you have read through the package.

Anne -- I'll certainly do that.

Hollis

[Guest guest]

Dusty,

I want you to know that I respect your

time, energy, and intelligence on this issue. I don’t want to

debate with you, and I agree with all of your suggestions. I agree that

other problems could compound the issue and that we should investigate all of

them. However, if you have not personally read this package then you don’t

really know what I am talking about.

I wonder why no one is willing to invest

20.00 to be educated about this issue. This in only a co-pay for most of

you. One that you would pay to a doctor who knows nothing about your

condition and may prescribe meds that will harm you instead of heal you.

I am baffled at the resistance I am

finding to this. Why would you discourage anyone from learning about

this? I have learned more from her than in two years of reading medical

journals, seeing top specialists in the field, and trying every treatment plan

known to man. I would bet that I am as educated as ya’ll about this

condition, although I do not really have time to write due to having 6 children

whom I home-school.

So here’s my offer: I will buy

one package from Dr. Crandall for you or Dee, if either one of you will read

it. Don’t say another negative word until you read it, and then see

if you think the same way.

Until then, you don’t even know what

types or kinds of yeasts I am discussing. I would try to explain it

all here, but I can’t. It took Dr. Crandall 200 pages to

explain. She had vulvodynia, she is a microbiologist from UCLA, she has

had papers published in major journals that have been peer-reviewed. It is

documented with footnotes, lab slides and every piece of information, very

systematically discussed.

Until you know what she says, you may well

be discouraging people from finding a solution to their problems.

For twenty dollars, why would you nay-say

this so much?

I can’t fathom it, and I am ready to

quit trying. I really don’t have time to debate this with y’all. I

only am persevering because of the new people, like me, who nearly killed

herself from the pain.

Also, If I am correct, Dusty, you are not

well yet 100% either. Wouldn’t you like to be, if you could?

What do you have to lose?

Anne

P.S. It was not me that said that yeast was the number one

cause of vv or dv, it was Dr. Nyjersky in his study from 2000, in which HE said that over 2/3 of the cases STARTED

with yeast.

Why you got the yeast is likely to have

been from pH or hormones or chemicals, but the fact remains that you DID get

it, and you now suffer from vulval pain. So why don’t you

investigate this?

Subject: RE: yeast question

Anne, I'm happy you are

getting relief... but I think I disagree with you that the number one

cause of vv is yeast. IF it were that simple - so many of us who

have been on non stop yeast meds etc for months and months (sometimes

years) at a time would have long ago been healed. It is indeed

the cause for some women - but posts here and experience of my own say that it

is probably not the case in most.

I agree with you

that it is good to rule out yeast - and we should probably do so by tried and

true methods - cultures and biopsy of the affected area to find overgrowths and

to identify the strain. I fear that docs and patients alike

aren't reading the medical info that tells us that yeast is becoming resistant

and developing in newer strains (just as virus's are now too) which do not

respond to traditional meds..... and this is most likely from overuse of

antifungal treatments. It's just way too easy for women and docs to

'assume' its yeast causing the itching, etc. and self medicate or docs

prescribe Diflucan as if it will cure everything. That's sort of

like prescribing an antibiotic for diabetes. It just doesn't do any good

and will instead do harm.

I did get yeast

early on in this, but the yeast was a direct result of cold turkey cessation of

HRT because of the WHI reports on its dangers. Three months later, I had

SEVERE vulvo vaginal atrophy (but with no yeast infection yet) with a

really screwed up vaginal pH as a result. Trouble is, my doc didn't check

the pH and prescribed two weeks of nightly estrace cream. Though vagina

and vular skin were literally dying for estrogen, the assualt of that much

estrogen in a poorly balanced pH environment caused a MAJOR yeast

infection. No yeast until then - except once before in my whole

life - in my 20's. Once I got back onto a HRT program and found the right

dosage for me, yeast was no longer a problem.

I think we need to

systematically rule out everything we can so that we know what is NOT

causing our pain. Tissue biopsy and culture should rule out yeast, just as

it does other diseases (i.e. cancer, the Lichens etc.) . Blood tests for

STD's, various infections are easy as well, as are evaluations for

PFD. Allergies should be ruled out even allergies to yeast. Thyroid

problems, auto immune problems And so on.

I can't tell you how many

women on this list were totally convinced over the years that yeast was

the problem, only to discover that once they got the vaginal pH right, and

systemic hormones right or Celiac diagnosed or Lichen Sclerosus diagnosed, etc.

etc. - yeast was never it at all.

Having said all of that,

there is a group of women for whom clearing up the yeast problem solved the vv

pain. If I suspected yeast still, I would have a biopsy of the worst

areas to confirm 'embedded' yeast and I would have a culture w/typing of

strain.

Just my thoughts

Dusty

-----Original

Message-----

From: VulvarDisorders

[mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On

Behalf Of Anne

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:05

AM

To:

VulvarDisorders

Subject: RE: yeast question

I understand, I felt the

same way the first time I came across this information. At the time, I

thought that I would still find the simple answer and get better. Well,

another year went by of me trying all kinds of painful, humiliating, and

ineffective treatments – and I was still the same. We had added up

everything I had spent on this health issue, and it totaled over 30,000.

After that, I realized that twenty dollars was nothing.

I ordered it in

desperation, and after reading it, I was very compelled to try everything she

has recommended. I am still working on working with my doctor to try her

protocols (for example, she doesn’t want to give me more than 1 week of

Diflucan.)

I have already posted

more information about this about two weeks ago. Please look for my posts in

the archives.

Negative cultures

don’t mean anything – for lots of reasons. The number one

cause in vulvodynia cases is because the yeast have burrowed into the tissues

of the vulva (resulting in pain, inflammation, redness, and other symptoms of

their metabolism - the end product of which is alcohol.

Please do as you choose,

but I am hoping to save someone years of pain and despair.

I am not 100% better yet,

but I am off all pain meds such as Lyrica, Cymbalta, and other nasty

drugs. I can still feel the vulvodynia but I am not suicidal. To

me, that is already improvement.

I hope this helps

someone.

Anne

PS, I would copy

her information for everyone, but it is her livelihood and is also protected by

copywrite. I don’t want to steal her work to share with everyone,

but I do want to help you hear about her.

Subject:

yeast question

I

don't know if I am interested in following her plan as I don't know

what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't want to spend

another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info needed!

I have had cultures done and they were negative.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Anne, thanks for the offer, but I really don't need it. I have been biopsied and no yeast is present in vulvar tissue (external), which is where I have trouble.

Honestly, I am not resisting this at all.... as I said several times in my post, I do believe that yeast is the problem for some women and it behooves each of us to rule it out. I wrote because I kind of think that the statement you made that yeast was the problem for most women may not have been a completely accurate statement (in the paragraph which begins "Negative cultures". I said nothing at all negative about the method you use or the $20 it costs to get the info.

Too many ladies have left this list healed in the 4 years I've been on it and their causes were as varied as the day is long. I am a firm believer in checking out all the possible factors that could possibly have affected us - and yeast IS one of them - as I said in my post. I have no problem with how we find out whether or not its yeast,whether with your $20 packet or by biopsy or any of the other valid methods. We need to rule it out or rule it in and if its not there go on to the next probable cause.

Again, re read my post - I do not nay say this method of determining yeast at all - I am commenting on the "most women" issue. That's all.

Thanks for your reply. I'm truly happy for your and for you success and healing and hope it continues until you are 100%. We all deserve a little spot in heaven for having endured this disorder - no matter how long or short the duration!!

P.S> For the record, my vulvar pain began BEFORE the yeast - severe, (as Dee calls it) blow torch pain that woke me in the middle of the night and made my life living hell til I got to the docs - which was unfortunately about two weeks later. My genital area was extremely shrunken to nearly the size of a childs, skin cracked and peeling and this was VULVO/VAGINAL ATROPHY ...... not yeast. It wasn't until I used the Estrace cream that I got the yeast infection. The vulvar biopsy confirmed severe atrophy and no yeast. I DID investigate.

Best regards

Dusty

yeast question

I don't know if I am interested in following her plan as I don't know what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't want to spend another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info needed!I have had cultures done and they were negative.Diane

[Guest guest]

Thank you for letting me know. I do appreciate you letting me know that it seems reasonable to educate yourself as to the likelihood of candida being one of the roots of the problem.

I know there are other elements, like PT or biofeedback, hormones, and allergies (all of which I have pursued), but according to Dr. Crandall, ) none of them will cure this without eliminating the candida embedded in the vulval tissues.

Please let the group know your opinion once you have read through the package.

Thankfully,

Anne Andis

TX

Re: yeast question

Anne, I appreciate the energy you've put into providing information to the group on this topic of the relationship between embedded yeast and chronic pelvic pain. I'm going to purchase the $20 packet and take a good look at Dr. Crandell's information. Just so you know that your efforts have not all been for naught. . . . Hollis

[Guest guest]

Ok, Dusty, I am really waving a white flag

here, but I want to clarify a few points for any who may be following this discussion.

After this, I will have to stop because I have so much other work that needs to

be done (as do you, I’m sure!) J

1.

It WAS NOT I who

said that most women get dv after a yeast infection. It was Dr. Nyjersky,

and many others, who said it. I ONLY REPEATED it. Here is the

reference:

“about

two-thirds of women with chronic vulvar pain had experienced severe and repeated

bouts of vulvovaginal candidiases prior to developing vulvar-vestibulitis

syndrome,” (Freidrich,

Jr., 1987; Mann et al, 1992; Sarma et al, 1999; Nyjersky, 2000; Tchoudomirova

et al, 2001.) For the record, that is 66% or more, which in my OPINION,

qualifies the statement

that MOST women get this condition after a yeast infection. I think I

stated that fact correctly.)

2.

“ For this reason, doctors and patients must understand the pathogenic

mechanisms involved in vulvovaginal candidiasis and the sequence of events

leading to the development of

vulvodynia in order to learn how to treat and prevent chronic vulvar

pain. Clinical observations indicate that after women are treated for

a vaginal yeast infection, they are in a different

state. That is to say: their genital tissues are in an

altered physiological condition and do not return to the same health state they

were in before the yeast infection.. Even

though the standard short-term antifungal treatment reduces the severe symptoms

of an active yeast infection, some Candida cells remain the tissues.”

Marjorie Crandall, Ph.D.

3.

Here is a quote from Dr. Crandall: “Once a woman has had her first vaginal yeast

infection, she is in a different state and is likely to develop

recurrences. Her increased susceptibility

can be explained by the presence of a latent intracellular yeast infection

inside her vaginal epithelial cells.”

4.

Here is the information from her flow chart:

SEQUENCE

OF EVENTS IN THE PATHOGENESIS OF VULVODYNIA

1.

ANTIBIOTICS,

CORTICOSTERIODS, ESTROGEN, CHEMICAL IRRITANTS….

2.

ACTIVE CANDIDA

VULVOVAGINOSIS WITH ITCHING, BURNING, AND WHITE CHEESY DISCHARGE=

3.

THE WHITE FORM OF YEAST

INFECTION =

4.

ACUTE PSEUDOMEMBRANOUS

VULVOVAGINAL CANDIDIASIS which leads to…

5.

too short a treatment

time with antifungals =

6.

irritating chemical in

vaginal preparation

7.

no treatment with anti-inflammatory

drugs

8.

no immunotherapy for

Candida allergy =

9.

residual vulvar and

vestibular inflammation =

10.

the red form of yeast

infection =

11.

chronic atrophic

erythematous candidiasis =

12.

latent intracellular yeast

infection

13.

contact or allergic

dermatitis induced by chemicals =

14.

chemical allergy

=

15.

vulvar vestibulitis

syndrome =

16.

treatment failure

=

17.

follow-on sequela of

yeast vaginitis =

18.

proliferation of nerve

cells =

19.

chronic vulvar pain

More than this, I cannot take the time to

explain.

If anyone sees herself in this flow chart,

then she now knows where to get more detailed information: http://home1.gte.net/ycs/

I stand by my statements and am saddened

to hear that you are not interested in her paper. You have given so much

excellent advice over the years that I have been listening (it is because of

you, Dusty, that I went to an environmental allergist) that I know this would

indeed give you even more knowledge to pass on. If you change your mind,

please let me know and I will send you a package. At the very least, you

could tell me why I am misguided, if you think that I am.

Warmly,

Anne Andis

TX

PS Most biopsies do not show much more

than chronic inflammation, because they are not really tested for yeasts (as I understand

it), but they are generally looking for HPV or Cancer or something specific in

the appearance of the cells, but not cultured. Do you know for sure that

your biopsies were cultured? Mine weren’t.

Subject: RE: yeast question

Anne, thanks for the

offer, but I really don't need it. I have been biopsied and no yeast is

present in vulvar tissue (external), which is where I have trouble.

Honestly, I am not

resisting this at all.... as I said several times in my post, I do believe that

yeast is the problem for some women and it behooves each of us to rule it out.

I wrote because I kind of think that the statement you

made that yeast was the problem for most women may not have been a

completely accurate statement (in the paragraph which begins

" Negative cultures " . I said nothing at all negative

about the method you use or the $20 it costs to get the info.

Too many ladies have left

this list healed in the 4 years I've been on it and

their causes were as varied as the day is long. I am a firm

believer in checking out all the possible factors that could possibly have

affected us - and yeast IS one of them - as I said in my post. I

have no problem with how we find out whether or not its yeast,whether with your

$20 packet or by biopsy or any of the other valid methods. We need to

rule it out or rule it in and if its not there go on to the next probable

cause.

Again, re read my post -

I do not nay say this method of determining yeast at all - I am commenting on

the " most women " issue. That's all.

Thanks for

your reply. I'm truly happy for your and for you success and

healing and hope it continues until you are 100%. We all deserve a little

spot in heaven for having endured this disorder - no matter how long or

short the duration!!

P.S> For

the record, my vulvar pain began BEFORE the yeast - severe, (as Dee calls

it) blow torch pain that woke me in the middle of the night and made my life

living hell til I got to the docs - which was unfortunately about two weeks

later. My genital area was extremely shrunken to nearly the size of a

childs, skin cracked and peeling and this was VULVO/VAGINAL ATROPHY

....... not yeast. It wasn't until I

used the Estrace cream that I got the yeast infection. The vulvar

biopsy confirmed severe atrophy and no yeast. I DID

investigate.

Best regards

Dusty

-----Original

Message-----

From:

VulvarDisorders [mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of Anne

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:52

PM

To:

VulvarDisorders

Subject: RE: yeast question

Dusty,

I want you to know that I

respect your time, energy, and intelligence on this issue. I don’t

want to debate with you, and I agree with all of your suggestions. I

agree that other problems could compound the issue and that we should

investigate all of them. However, if you have not personally read this

package then you don’t really know what I am talking about.

I wonder why no one is

willing to invest 20.00 to be educated about this issue. This in only a

co-pay for most of you. One that you would pay to a doctor who knows

nothing about your condition and may prescribe meds that will harm you instead

of heal you.

I am baffled at the

resistance I am finding to this. Why would you discourage anyone from

learning about this? I have learned more from her than in two years of

reading medical journals, seeing top specialists in the field, and trying every

treatment plan known to man. I would bet that I am as educated as

ya’ll about this condition, although I do not really have time to write

due to having 6 children whom I home-school.

So here’s my

offer: I will buy one package from Dr. Crandall for you or Dee, if either

one of you will read it. Don’t say another negative word until you

read it, and then see if you think the same way.

Until then, you

don’t even know what types or kinds of yeasts I am discussing.

I would try to explain it all here, but I can’t. It took Dr.

Crandall 200 pages to explain. She had vulvodynia, she is a

microbiologist from UCLA, she has had papers published in major journals that

have been peer-reviewed. It is documented with footnotes, lab slides and

every piece of information, very systematically discussed.

Until you know what she

says, you may well be discouraging people from finding a solution to their

problems.

For twenty dollars, why

would you nay-say this so much?

I can’t fathom it,

and I am ready to quit trying. I really don’t have time to debate this

with y’all. I only am persevering because of the new people, like me, who

nearly killed herself from the pain.

Also, If I am correct,

Dusty, you are not well yet 100% either. Wouldn’t you like to be,

if you could? What do you have to lose?

Anne

P.S. It was not me that said that yeast was the number one

cause of vv or dv, it was Dr. Nyjersky in his study from 2000, in which HE said that over 2/3 of the cases STARTED

with yeast.

Why you got the yeast is

likely to have been from pH or hormones or chemicals, but the fact remains that

you DID get it, and you now suffer from vulval pain. So why don’t

you investigate this?

Subject: RE: yeast question

Anne,

I'm happy you are getting relief... but I think I disagree with you

that the number one cause of vv is yeast. IF it were that simple -

so many of us who have been on non stop yeast meds etc for months and months

(sometimes years) at a time would have long ago been healed. It

is indeed the cause for some women - but posts here and experience of my own

say that it is probably not the case in most.

I

agree with you that it is good to rule out yeast - and we should probably do so

by tried and true methods - cultures and biopsy of the affected area to find

overgrowths and to identify the strain. I fear that docs and

patients alike aren't reading the medical info that tells us that yeast is

becoming resistant and developing in newer strains (just as virus's are now

too) which do not respond to traditional meds..... and this is most likely from

overuse of antifungal treatments. It's just way too easy for women

and docs to 'assume' its yeast causing the itching, etc. and self medicate or

docs prescribe Diflucan as if it will cure everything. That's sort

of like prescribing an antibiotic for diabetes. It just doesn't do any

good and will instead do harm.

I

did get yeast early on in this, but the yeast was a direct result of cold

turkey cessation of HRT because of the WHI reports on its dangers. Three

months later, I had SEVERE vulvo vaginal atrophy (but with no yeast infection

yet) with a really screwed up vaginal pH as a result. Trouble is, my

doc didn't check the pH and prescribed two weeks of nightly estrace

cream. Though vagina and vular skin were literally dying for estrogen,

the assualt of that much estrogen in a poorly balanced pH environment caused a

MAJOR yeast infection. No yeast until then - except once before in

my whole life - in my 20's. Once I got back onto a HRT program and found

the right dosage for me, yeast was no longer a problem.

I think

we need to systematically rule out everything we can so that we know what is

NOT causing our pain. Tissue biopsy and culture should rule out yeast,

just as it does other diseases (i.e. cancer, the Lichens etc.) . Blood

tests for STD's, various infections are easy as well, as

are evaluations for PFD. Allergies should be ruled out even

allergies to yeast. Thyroid problems, auto immune problems And so

on.

I can't

tell you how many women on this list were totally convinced over the years

that yeast was the problem, only to discover that once they got the vaginal pH

right, and systemic hormones right or Celiac diagnosed or Lichen Sclerosus

diagnosed, etc. etc. - yeast was never it at all.

Having

said all of that, there is a group of women for whom clearing up the yeast

problem solved the vv pain. If I suspected yeast still, I would have a

biopsy of the worst areas to confirm 'embedded' yeast and I would have a

culture w/typing of strain.

Just my

thoughts

Dusty

-----Original

Message-----

From:

VulvarDisorders [mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of Anne

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:05

AM

To:

VulvarDisorders

Subject: RE: yeast question

I

understand, I felt the same way the first time I came across this

information. At the time, I thought that I would still find the simple

answer and get better. Well, another year went by of me trying all kinds

of painful, humiliating, and ineffective treatments – and I was still the

same. We had added up everything I had spent on this health issue, and it

totaled over 30,000. After that, I realized that twenty dollars was

nothing.

I

ordered it in desperation, and after reading it, I was very compelled to try

everything she has recommended. I am still working on working with my

doctor to try her protocols (for example, she doesn’t want to give me

more than 1 week of Diflucan.)

I have

already posted more information about this about two weeks ago. Please look for

my posts in the archives.

Negative

cultures don’t mean anything – for lots of reasons. The

number one cause in vulvodynia cases is because the yeast have burrowed into

the tissues of the vulva (resulting in pain, inflammation, redness, and other

symptoms of their metabolism - the end product of which is alcohol.

Please

do as you choose, but I am hoping to save someone years of pain and despair.

I am not

100% better yet, but I am off all pain meds such as Lyrica, Cymbalta, and other

nasty drugs. I can still feel the vulvodynia but I am not suicidal.

To me, that is already improvement.

I hope

this helps someone.

Anne

PS,

I would copy her information for everyone, but it is her livelihood and is also

protected by copywrite. I don’t want to steal her work to share

with everyone, but I do want to help you hear about her.

Subject:

yeast question

I

don't know if I am interested in following her plan as I don't know

what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't want to spend

another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info needed!

I have had cultures done and they were negative.

Diane

[Guest guest]

WHite flag up and waving on my side!!!!

Many women will be helped by your post and the information you have included here.

Yes, my biopsie(s) were sent to the regular pathologist and to a dermopathologist as well, with a request to rule out yeast as well as the usual awful things we women come into contact with.

The sequence of events for VV as presented below did not happen to me, and this - along with the fact that I am very confident about and happy w/my doc(s) and my treatment program is the reason I feel no need to investigate yeast again as a contributory factor in my case. Like you, I can still feel the vv, but I am no longer suicidal. I am quite happy and able to do 99% of the activities I couldn't do before.

I'm happy I was able to help someone (i.e. the allergy testing) as you no doubt will with your info about this subject.

At no time did I say or even imply that you were misguided. It never entered my mind.

Regards

Dusty

-----Original Message-----From: VulvarDisorders [mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of AnneSent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:49 PMTo: VulvarDisorders Subject: RE: yeast question

Ok, Dusty, I am really waving a white flag here, but I want to clarify a few points for any who may be following this discussion. After this, I will have to stop because I have so much other work that needs to be done (as do you, I’m sure!) J

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I was tested for a whole year supposibly

negative. It took me being sent to an Infectious

Disease Dr. and him running seneitivities on culters

for me to finaly find out I had Glabrata Yeast. Even

after that when I would go to the O.B I would have to

tell them I needed to have sensitivities done. Do you

know if you had that done to the culter? Maybe you

should see an Infectious Disease Dr.

Kind Regards, Tami

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> I don't know if I am interested in following her

> plan as I don't know

> what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't

> want to spend

> another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info

> needed!

> I have had cultures done and they were negative.

> Diane

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[Guest guest]

tami,

before you went to the infectious disease specialist did the docs tell you there

was no

yeast? what procedure did he/she do to find it?

julie

>

> > I don't know if I am interested in following her

> > plan as I don't know

> > what the plan is! I have spent so much money I don't

> > want to spend

> > another $20 unless I feel it is plausible. More info

> > needed!

> > I have had cultures done and they were negative.

> > Diane

> >

> >

> >

> >

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