Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 HI Shelli. Folks who self-treat will start at 1/2 grain or so to see how their bodies react to the T3. Most do fine. If you have MVP, you may notice an extra palp or two. After a week or two, you want to rise again to prevent the hypo from coming back with a vengeance on such a low dose--such as rising to one grain. After another few weeks, folks jump to 1 1/2 grains and hold a bit. Generally, once you get up to 1 1/2 to 2 grains, you want to hold at least 5 weeks to give the T4 time to build and to see it's results. (T3 is fairly immediate; T4 can take that long to show it's effect). Yes, if you have had definite sluggish adrenal symptoms (as compared to thyroid symptoms), it can be wise to treat that first for a few weeks, then add the thyroid. Your Ferritin is not awful. It's fine. We do try to get ours to the 60's, but you might be able to do that with good eating of food rich in iron--such as tongue ox, liver pate', boiled mussels...HAHAHA. Actually, those ARE on a list of foods high in iron and I couldn't help myself here (http://tinyurl.com/49zgy). More traditional foods are bran cereals, lean red meats, spinach, nuts, etc. (http://tinyurl.com/696vs) No, you do not appear to have Hashi's. Neither did I. Janie > Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? > > Here's the results again. > Ferritin 47 (10-291) > FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) > FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) > TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) > Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) > Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) > > Thanks, > Shelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Shelli Your cholesterols look good, with many more of the good ones than bad ones. Your triglycerides look a little more than a little high. But, in my opinion, your ferritin is too low. Not ridiculously low, but yeh, that could be causing some symptoms. You want that up to about 60 or maybe a little more. Have you changed your diet or added supplements in the last several months, to a greater amt of iron laden foods? If you're feeling better, it could be that it's on it's way up, just now, if you have made those kinds of changes. Your T4 looks good on paper, and the T3 could come up slightly, but some people feel better with it over the top of normal. Person to person differences. Got test results > Well, I finally had testing done and am wondering what to think. Below are the results. I included everything because I'm not sure what if there's something someone else might see that could cause a problem. I've had hypo symptoms for quite a while and of course TSH always was " normal " . Lately however, I haven't been feeling as badly. We had talked on the list about waiting until I felt bad again to get the tests but I wasn't thinking and just went and did it. What do you all think? I'm also wondering if my adrenals are worn out. I have a lot of adrenal symptoms as well. Ferritin is 47. Is that low enough to cause symptoms? > Thanks, > Shelli > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 4. Laboratory Results > Test Code Description Result Range Units > 4532 ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN AB <20 < 40 - IU/ML > 4534 ANTITHYROID PEROXIDASE <10 < 35 - IU/ML > 2908 NEUTROPHILS 62 42 - 77 % > 2910 LYMPHOCYTES 26 16 - 43 % > 2912 MONOCYTES 8 4 - 12 % > 2914 EOSINOPHILS 3 0 - 8 % > 2916 BASOPHILS 1 0 - 3 % > 2930 WBC 7.3 4.0 - 11.0 K/MCL > 2932 RBC 4.50 4.20 - 5.40 MILLION/MCL > 2934 HGB 13.6 12.0 - 16.0 G/DL > 2936 HCT 43.9 36.0 - 49.0 % > 2938 MCV 98 81 - 103 FL > 2940 MCH 30.4 26.0 - 35.0 PG > 2942 MCHC 31.0 30.0 - 37.0 G/DL > 2944 PLATELET COUNT 307 130 - 400 K/MCL > 2950 RDW 13.8 11.5 - 14.5 % > 3050 ALT (SGPT) 13 < 45 - U/L > 3052 ALBUMIN 4.5 3.7 - 5.2 G/DL > 3053 GLOBULIN 2.6 1.8 - 3.5 G/DL > 3054 ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 53 40 - 125 U/L > 3056 AST (SGOT) 14 < 45 - U/L > 3058 BUN 11 < 23 - MG/DL > 3060 CALCIUM 8.9 8.5 - 10.5 MG/DL > 3062 CHLORIDE 103 98 - 109 MEQ/L > 3064 CHOLESTEROL 189 < 200 - MG/DL > 3066 CREATININE 0.8 < 1.5 - MG/DL > 3070 GGT 11 < 45 - U/L > 3072 GLUCOSE 86 60 - 109 MG/DL > 3074 IRON 117 35 - 185 MCG/DL > 3078 LDH 129 119 - 223 U/L > 3080 PHOSPHORUS 2.8 2.8 - 4.7 MG/DL > 3082 POTASSIUM 4.4 3.6 - 5.2 MEQ/L > 3084 SODIUM 141 136 - 146 MEQ/L > 3086 TOTAL BILIRUBIN 0.9 0.2 - 1.3 MG/DL > 3087 A/G RATIO 1.7 1 - 2.5 > 3088 TOTAL PROTEIN 7.1 6.3 - 7.8 G/DL > 3090 TRIGLYCERIDES 160 < 150 - MG/DL > 3092 URIC ACID 3.7 2.5 - 6.8 MG/DL > 3094 HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR - > NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED > 3096 LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR - > NO LIPEMIA DETECTED > 3098 ICTERIC SRM APPEAR - > NO ICTERUS DETECTED > 3657 HDL CHOLESTEROL 61 > 39 - MG/DL > 3659 CHOL/HDL RATIO 3.1 < 5.0 - > 3661 LDL CHOLESTEROL 96 < 130 - MG/DL > 3663 LDL/HDL RATIO 1.57 < 3.25 - > 3664 VLDL, CALCULATED 32 < 30 - MG/DL > 3691 FERRITIN 47 10 - 291 NG/ML > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Hi , I've been trying to eat low carb. I think that is why my cholesterol is pretty good. However, the last few weeks I've been eating a LOT of junk, i.e. sweets, chips, etc. So that's probably why my triglycerides are up. The only new supplement I've been taking is selenium, which I guess, could account for my feeling less tired (I'm not energetic though). Maybe it's helping with the conversion. I've been pretty anxious though and have been having palps (after eating carbs mostly). Is it possible my symptoms are adrenal rather than thyroid-related? I was thinking maybe I should try adrenal support for awhile before considering thyroid meds to see if my symptoms get better. What do you think? I wish I had gotten some definitive answers from my tests. Right now I feel like I'm in the same boat I was in before the tests. Nothing jumps out as being the culprit. I don't know for sure if it's thyroid or not. It is sooooo frustrating. What happens if I take Armour and I don't end up feeling better? Can I just stop it? Sorry to be such a whiner. Shelli Got test results > Well, I finally had testing done and am wondering what to think. Below are the results. I included everything because I'm not sure what if there's something someone else might see that could cause a problem. I've had hypo symptoms for quite a while and of course TSH always was " normal " . Lately however, I haven't been feeling as badly. We had talked on the list about waiting until I felt bad again to get the tests but I wasn't thinking and just went and did it. What do you all think? I'm also wondering if my adrenals are worn out. I have a lot of adrenal symptoms as well. Ferritin is 47. Is that low enough to cause symptoms? > Thanks, > Shelli > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 4. Laboratory Results > Test Code Description Result Range Units > 4532 ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN AB <20 < 40 - IU/ML > 4534 ANTITHYROID PEROXIDASE <10 < 35 - IU/ML > 2908 NEUTROPHILS 62 42 - 77 % > 2910 LYMPHOCYTES 26 16 - 43 % > 2912 MONOCYTES 8 4 - 12 % > 2914 EOSINOPHILS 3 0 - 8 % > 2916 BASOPHILS 1 0 - 3 % > 2930 WBC 7.3 4.0 - 11.0 K/MCL > 2932 RBC 4.50 4.20 - 5.40 MILLION/MCL > 2934 HGB 13.6 12.0 - 16.0 G/DL > 2936 HCT 43.9 36.0 - 49.0 % > 2938 MCV 98 81 - 103 FL > 2940 MCH 30.4 26.0 - 35.0 PG > 2942 MCHC 31.0 30.0 - 37.0 G/DL > 2944 PLATELET COUNT 307 130 - 400 K/MCL > 2950 RDW 13.8 11.5 - 14.5 % > 3050 ALT (SGPT) 13 < 45 - U/L > 3052 ALBUMIN 4.5 3.7 - 5.2 G/DL > 3053 GLOBULIN 2.6 1.8 - 3.5 G/DL > 3054 ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 53 40 - 125 U/L > 3056 AST (SGOT) 14 < 45 - U/L > 3058 BUN 11 < 23 - MG/DL > 3060 CALCIUM 8.9 8.5 - 10.5 MG/DL > 3062 CHLORIDE 103 98 - 109 MEQ/L > 3064 CHOLESTEROL 189 < 200 - MG/DL > 3066 CREATININE 0.8 < 1.5 - MG/DL > 3070 GGT 11 < 45 - U/L > 3072 GLUCOSE 86 60 - 109 MG/DL > 3074 IRON 117 35 - 185 MCG/DL > 3078 LDH 129 119 - 223 U/L > 3080 PHOSPHORUS 2.8 2.8 - 4.7 MG/DL > 3082 POTASSIUM 4.4 3.6 - 5.2 MEQ/L > 3084 SODIUM 141 136 - 146 MEQ/L > 3086 TOTAL BILIRUBIN 0.9 0.2 - 1.3 MG/DL > 3087 A/G RATIO 1.7 1 - 2.5 > 3088 TOTAL PROTEIN 7.1 6.3 - 7.8 G/DL > 3090 TRIGLYCERIDES 160 < 150 - MG/DL > 3092 URIC ACID 3.7 2.5 - 6.8 MG/DL > 3094 HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR - > NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED > 3096 LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR - > NO LIPEMIA DETECTED > 3098 ICTERIC SRM APPEAR - > NO ICTERUS DETECTED > 3657 HDL CHOLESTEROL 61 > 39 - MG/DL > 3659 CHOL/HDL RATIO 3.1 < 5.0 - > 3661 LDL CHOLESTEROL 96 < 130 - MG/DL > 3663 LDL/HDL RATIO 1.57 < 3.25 - > 3664 VLDL, CALCULATED 32 < 30 - MG/DL > 3691 FERRITIN 47 10 - 291 NG/ML > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Hi Janie, Gee, maybe I will go get some tongue ox, liver pate', boiled mussels. Yeah right! Hahaha! I was really hoping for some definitive answers from my tests. I'm still feeling like I don't know for sure if my problems are thyroid related or not. Can I take armour and see what happens (after using adrenal support for awhile)? I'm beginning to think I'm just nuts! Thanks for the help. Shelli Re: Got test results HI Shelli. Folks who self-treat will start at 1/2 grain or so to see how their bodies react to the T3. Most do fine. If you have MVP, you may notice an extra palp or two. After a week or two, you want to rise again to prevent the hypo from coming back with a vengeance on such a low dose--such as rising to one grain. After another few weeks, folks jump to 1 1/2 grains and hold a bit. Generally, once you get up to 1 1/2 to 2 grains, you want to hold at least 5 weeks to give the T4 time to build and to see it's results. (T3 is fairly immediate; T4 can take that long to show it's effect). Yes, if you have had definite sluggish adrenal symptoms (as compared to thyroid symptoms), it can be wise to treat that first for a few weeks, then add the thyroid. Your Ferritin is not awful. It's fine. We do try to get ours to the 60's, but you might be able to do that with good eating of food rich in iron--such as tongue ox, liver pate', boiled mussels...HAHAHA. Actually, those ARE on a list of foods high in iron and I couldn't help myself here (http://tinyurl.com/49zgy). More traditional foods are bran cereals, lean red meats, spinach, nuts, etc. (http://tinyurl.com/696vs) No, you do not appear to have Hashi's. Neither did I. Janie > Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? > > Here's the results again. > Ferritin 47 (10-291) > FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) > FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) > TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) > Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) > Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) > > Thanks, > Shelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 As before, your ferritin looks too low and could use some supplementation. Have you taken tests for some of the other nutrients we've discussed? I discovered one of mine was the folic acid, but B12 should be tested also in a thyroid sufferer. I can't remember whether you said you were taking vitamin supplements. The selenium, yes, it is good for conversion. Your triglycerides would indicate that you may be eating too high a fat diet. I don't believe in eating a no fat diet myself, and I think that eating some fat in the diet, like with the red meat, is more satisfying and lasts longer in the body, plus, it is the ONLY way, no matter what anyone says, of getting HEME iron, which is the only form of iron that the human body can absorb without a lot of difficulty. Re: Got test results > Hi , > I've been trying to eat low carb. I think that is why my cholesterol is pretty good. However, the last few weeks I've been eating a LOT of junk, i.e. sweets, chips, etc. So that's probably why my triglycerides are up. The only new supplement I've been taking is selenium, which I guess, could account for my feeling less tired (I'm not energetic though). Maybe it's helping with the conversion. I've been pretty anxious though and have been having palps (after eating carbs mostly). > Is it possible my symptoms are adrenal rather than thyroid-related? I was thinking maybe I should try adrenal support for awhile before considering thyroid meds to see if my symptoms get better. What do you think? I wish I had gotten some definitive answers from my tests. Right now I feel like I'm in the same boat I was in before the tests. Nothing jumps out as being the culprit. I don't know for sure if it's thyroid or not. It is sooooo frustrating. What happens if I take Armour and I don't end up feeling better? Can I just stop it? > Sorry to be such a whiner. > Shelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 ferritin is slightly low. I would add some Floradix every other day, free t3 is too low and tsh is too high. You may be just starting, or it may be your female hormones are way off. Have you had all them tested Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 In a message dated 7/25/2004 9:40:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > and the second time the doctor said it was an outdated practice to test > FT3. It a NEW practice...not outdated. Geez. Your Free T4 is too low...your TSH too high. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 In a message dated 7/25/2004 11:52:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > Well that was a lot of complaining not really. but that was a whole bunch of hypo symptoms. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi , I do take supplements. I take a multi, E, calcium, magnesium, B complex 50, selenium and C. I eat quite a bit of red meat. Since my results are so indefinite, I'm just not sure what to do. I definitely have symptoms of hypo, as well as adrenal insufficiency, but I'm not as bad off as some of you. If I tried Armour, after first doing some adrenal supplementation, would I just get hyper symtoms if my body didn't need it? I don't want to shut down my thyroid if it isn't actually causing a problem. Does that make sense? Thanks for your help. It is really appreciated. Shelli Re: Got test results > Hi , > I've been trying to eat low carb. I think that is why my cholesterol is pretty good. However, the last few weeks I've been eating a LOT of junk, i.e. sweets, chips, etc. So that's probably why my triglycerides are up. The only new supplement I've been taking is selenium, which I guess, could account for my feeling less tired (I'm not energetic though). Maybe it's helping with the conversion. I've been pretty anxious though and have been having palps (after eating carbs mostly). > Is it possible my symptoms are adrenal rather than thyroid-related? I was thinking maybe I should try adrenal support for awhile before considering thyroid meds to see if my symptoms get better. What do you think? I wish I had gotten some definitive answers from my tests. Right now I feel like I'm in the same boat I was in before the tests. Nothing jumps out as being the culprit. I don't know for sure if it's thyroid or not. It is sooooo frustrating. What happens if I take Armour and I don't end up feeling better? Can I just stop it? > Sorry to be such a whiner. > Shelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi Jamy, What is Floradix? Where would I get it? So do you think taking Armour is validated? I just don't want to cause myself to have more problems. I do wonder about if I'm just starting. I know TSH isn't a good sign but mine has gone up over the last few years. In 2000 my TSH was 1.33 and FT4 was .79. In February of this year TSH was 2.01 and FT4 was .95. Now in this last test just 4 days ago my TSH was 2.214 and FT4 was 1.2. I'm not sure if this means anything but is seems to be going up. The first I didn't know to ask for a FT3 test and the second time the doctor said it was an outdated practice to test FT3. Duh! So that's why I just went through Healthcheck. If you want something done right, do it yourself. Thanks for your help! Shelli Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 It does appear that the thyroid issues may be starting, but since you also don't have test results for estrogen, progesterone, dhea, etc. it could be hormone issues making other things worse. Floradix is a liquid iron that can be found in most health stores except GNC. It is low enough in dose that if should be fine, also I am betting after 2 weeks at 1 time a day, you will feel a bit better. Then I would drop to every other day. How old are you. I am sorry if you have posted this before. I have the memory of a slug! Your TSH is where mine was when I was feeling sick in the beginning, but I never had my antibodies tested. Your free t3 is low. Tell me a bit more about you and how you feel, age, lifestyle, etc. Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 So maybe I should have those things checked before doing anything? I had the female hormones tested in 2000. I am 36, married with 2 boys ages 10 and 7. The first one I had preterm labor and the second needed an emergency C-section. I had virtually no sleep while they were babies and toddlers. I stay at home but work part time doing transcription. As for how I feel...often depressed, anxious, no energy, never really feel like doing anything, irritable, can't handle stress, have a hard time concentrating, can't seem to lose weight, my skin breaks out, low libido, somewhat low basal temp, usually in the middle 97s, low back pain, some joint pain, usually dry skin other than my face, heart palps and PVCs, rough skin. It seems like since I've been taking the selenium, my skin hasn't been as dry. I'm usually colder than everyone else when the weather is cold and hotter than everyone else when the weather is hot. Basically feel most of the time that life just s*cks. Well that was a lot of complaining. Thanks again for the help. Shelli Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 at 36, hormones are changing. It also sounds like the thyroid is changing too. The thing is, i am a big one on all tested at once to get a real picture. The piece meal testing left me improperly dxed. By the way, you could test your tsh 3x a day and every number would be different! I would just add co-q10, floradix, b-12 and 1/2 hour sun in the morning for 2 months unless you can have your DR run tsh, free t3, tsh,, human growrg hormone, dhea, estoge, progesterone, am cortisol. Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I think you have adrenal and thyroid problems. Didn't your labs show that your blood fats are too high? Slow thyroid effects the processing of blood fats. Also, studies have shown that a TSH over 2 indicates a potential for hypothyroid issues. Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 yea, both kinds. Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Got test results In a message dated 7/25/2004 11:52:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > Well that was a lot of complaining not really. but that was a whole bunch of hypo symptoms. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 It is nice to hear some reassurance that I'm not just a nut. Are triglycerides blood fats? That is what was high. the rest of my cholesterol was good. So do you think it would be safe for me to try both adrenal support first and then add some Armour? I was thinking of trying some iron like a few people recommended and some hydrocortisone first for awhile and see how I feel and if I still have symptoms add the armour. What do you all think? I need to go back and reread everyone's suggestions to make sure I'm not forgetting something. Thanks so much. I don't know what I'd do without all you kind people. Shelli Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Yes, triglycerides are one of the " bad " blood fats. My cholesterol is also close to 200, as yours is. Mine used to be quite a bit lower. I think it should be lower. I expect that mine will drop some after I have been optimized on Armour. I feel that trying the hydrocortisone in physiologic doses is safe to do. Most people have found taking 5 mg every 4 hours to be good. This is what Peatfield recommends. Treatment ( resting one's adrenals ) apparently is not a short-term thing and may be required for months and months....or more. He also recommends starting hc a week or so before starting Armour. It sort of bolsters your system for the jump start the Armour will give you. I think it gives you a good chance to differentiate your adrenal symptoms from your thyroid symptoms. Write it down. It'll be useful later. Sorry, I do not recall what your ferritin was.... Another nut with " normal " labs who has been revitalized by Armour, Roxanna Re: Got test results Ok, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do now? I had these tests done myself through HealthcheckUSA and will most likely be self treating. Since I've had adrenal symptoms but have never been tested, should I do something about that first? Also, what about the Ferritin of 47? Is that low enough to cause symptoms? I'm not sure what to treat first. What do you think about the antibodies results? I'm assuming this means I don't have Hashi's? Here's the results again. Ferritin 47 (10-291) FT4 1.2 (.8-1.8) FT3 3.0 (2.3 - 4.2) TSH 2.214 (.35 - 5.50) Anti-Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<40-) Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 (<35-) Thanks, Shelli In a message dated 7/23/2004 11:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, merk4@... writes: > 3693 FREE THYROXINE (FT4) 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > 4114 BICARBONATE 24 21 - 30 MEQ/L > 4145 TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > 4536 TSH (3RD GENERATION) 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > TSH too high, Free T3 too low., cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I'm thinking that there has got to be some reason why you have sought help from the thyroid groups. If you are feeling wonderful, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I'm thinking that you're not feeling so good and that it IS your thyroid as indicated by your tests. Re: Got test results > > > > Hi , > > I've been trying to eat low carb. I think that is why my cholesterol is > pretty good. However, the last few weeks I've been eating a LOT of junk, > i.e. sweets, chips, etc. So that's probably why my triglycerides are up. The > only new supplement I've been taking is selenium, which I guess, could > account for my feeling less tired (I'm not energetic though). Maybe it's > helping with the conversion. I've been pretty anxious though and have been > having palps (after eating carbs mostly). > > Is it possible my symptoms are adrenal rather than thyroid-related? I was > thinking maybe I should try adrenal support for awhile before considering > thyroid meds to see if my symptoms get better. What do you think? I wish I > had gotten some definitive answers from my tests. Right now I feel like I'm > in the same boat I was in before the tests. Nothing jumps out as being the > culprit. I don't know for sure if it's thyroid or not. It is sooooo > frustrating. What happens if I take Armour and I don't end up feeling > better? Can I just stop it? > > Sorry to be such a whiner. > > Shelli > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Yes, , you're right. My symptoms are what made me decide to get tested on my own. I've told my doctor and of course he only did TSH and FT4 and they were in the " normal range " . I guess I'm afraid to get my hopes up that Armour will help me. It always seems that I hear of other people who are helped by certain things but when I try them I don't get the same results. So it makes me wonder if I had the same problem. That's why I sooooo hoped my test results would tell me something definite. I'm pretty convinced to try this though. I'm just trying to decide what sizes and quantities to order. Shelli Re: Got test results > > > > Hi , > > I've been trying to eat low carb. I think that is why my cholesterol is > pretty good. However, the last few weeks I've been eating a LOT of junk, > i.e. sweets, chips, etc. So that's probably why my triglycerides are up. The > only new supplement I've been taking is selenium, which I guess, could > account for my feeling less tired (I'm not energetic though). Maybe it's > helping with the conversion. I've been pretty anxious though and have been > having palps (after eating carbs mostly). > > Is it possible my symptoms are adrenal rather than thyroid-related? I was > thinking maybe I should try adrenal support for awhile before considering > thyroid meds to see if my symptoms get better. What do you think? I wish I > had gotten some definitive answers from my tests. Right now I feel like I'm > in the same boat I was in before the tests. Nothing jumps out as being the > culprit. I don't know for sure if it's thyroid or not. It is sooooo > frustrating. What happens if I take Armour and I don't end up feeling > better? Can I just stop it? > > Sorry to be such a whiner. > > Shelli > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hi, , I think sugar has just as much an effect on triglycerides as fat does. in Va. As before, your ferritin looks too low and could use some supplementation. Have you taken tests for some of the other nutrients we've discussed? I discovered one of mine was the folic acid, but B12 should be tested also in a thyroid sufferer. I can't remember whether you said you were taking vitamin supplements. The selenium, yes, it is good for conversion. Your triglycerides would indicate that you may be eating too high a fat diet. I don't believe in eating a no fat diet myself, and I think that eating some fat in the diet, like with the red meat, is more satisfying and lasts longer in the body, plus, it is the ONLY way, no matter what anyone says, of getting HEME iron, which is the only form of iron that the human body can absorb without a lot of difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 My cholesterol went down with a combination effort including Armour, but my triglycerides had already come down with a diet change. Interestingly the diet change did not affect the cholesterol. Then after being on Cortef, my cholesterol creeped back up. I believe the Cortef caught up and then became a surplus after about 6 or 7 months or so. It's really strange! I was only on it for 9 months. in Va. Yes, triglycerides are one of the " bad " blood fats. My cholesterol is also close to 200, as yours is. Mine used to be quite a bit lower. I think it should be lower. I expect that mine will drop some after I have been optimized on Armour. I feel that trying the hydrocortisone in physiologic doses is safe to do. Most people have found taking 5 mg every 4 hours to be good. This is what Peatfield recommends. Treatment ( resting one's adrenals ) apparently is not a short-term thing and may be required for months and months....or more. He also recommends starting hc a week or so before starting Armour. It sort of bolsters your system for the jump start the Armour will give you. I think it gives you a good chance to differentiate your adrenal symptoms from your thyroid symptoms. Write it down. It'll be useful later. Sorry, I do not recall what your ferritin was.... Another nut with " normal " labs who has been revitalized by Armour, Roxanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Did you notice anything in particular every day when your cortisol had caught up and then became surplus? ( yes, I am still behind =o) ) Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Got test results My cholesterol went down with a combination effort including Armour, but my triglycerides had already come down with a diet change. Interestingly the diet change did not affect the cholesterol. Then after being on Cortef, my cholesterol creeped back up. I believe the Cortef caught up and then became a surplus after about 6 or 7 months or so. It's really strange! I was only on it for 9 months. in Va. Yes, triglycerides are one of the " bad " blood fats. My cholesterol is also close to 200, as yours is. Mine used to be quite a bit lower. I think it should be lower. I expect that mine will drop some after I have been optimized on Armour. I feel that trying the hydrocortisone in physiologic doses is safe to do. Most people have found taking 5 mg every 4 hours to be good. This is what Peatfield recommends. Treatment ( resting one's adrenals ) apparently is not a short-term thing and may be required for months and months....or more. He also recommends starting hc a week or so before starting Armour. It sort of bolsters your system for the jump start the Armour will give you. I think it gives you a good chance to differentiate your adrenal symptoms from your thyroid symptoms. Write it down. It'll be useful later. Sorry, I do not recall what your ferritin was.... Another nut with " normal " labs who has been revitalized by Armour, Roxanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Hi, Roxanna, I'm way behind too. LOL So don't worry about that! LOL I'm trying to think back. I was gaining weight but I didn't keep track of it really. I was more interested in being able to function, getting things done. And I was busy getting things done finally. I wasn't really trying to keep my weight down. The main thing I noticed was my feet beginning to swell more than usual. I began to get tired more even though I was still able to get things done. But this could have been from my thyroid and testosterone needing adjustment by that point. Wish I could tell you more. in Va. , Did you notice anything in particular every day when your cortisol had caught up and then became surplus? ( yes, I am still behind =o) ) Roxanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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