Re: ending sounds

[Guest guest]

Not to scare you but my son does that to. he is a nonverbal autistic 4yr9mo

old.

does your child say anything else?

you dont have to reply.

Good luck.

vinnys dad

[Guest guest]

I am having a similar yet different problem in that my son 3 yrs is leaving

off the first letter a lot of times. They tell me that it will come and that

many kids leave off the end letter as well and that too is normal with apraxia.

Good luck.

Tyna

[Guest guest]

Kristi -

I have two apraxic sons. Both boys also left off the ending of words. It is

called final consonant deletion and I was told it was a normal phonological

process that they would outgrow by the time they turned three. I was told this

by therapists who did not know that they were apraxic. They would up getting

the apraxia diagnosis and the final consonant deletion did not stop. They

still do it frequently but in addition they also leave off beginning sounds and

middle sounds depending on the word.

I now believe my daughter (21 months) is also apraxic. She's good with the

endings but leaves off most beginning sounds. She tends to replace endings as

opposed to leaving them off.

Hope this helps.

Lynaugh

[Guest guest]

It took years of practice with us. just started putting the

end on words when she was 5 1/2.

They need to have the sound in the beginning before they can get the

sound at the end of the word. Your son may be dropping the t sound

at the end of a word because he doesn't have the t sound.

One thing to do is to work on sounds that he has. Like if he has

the p sound then you could work on words like pup or pop. If he has

the m and the p sound you could work on words like map, mop, etc.

Good luck.

> Hi everyone. Just wanted to ask a question to see if anyone out

there had this problem and maybe could help. My son is 2.4 years

old, we are still questioning apraxia. He is starting to say a few

words (after about 5 weeks of proefa), but leaves off the ending

sounds, like ou for out and ju for juice and li for light, etc.....

How do you get them to say the ending sound? Any suggestions?

Thanks, Kristi in Florida

[Guest guest]

I just thought of something else that we did with all sounds. We

used a thing called Visual Phonics. It used hand cues with each

letter sound.

For each word, I would make the lettter sounds with my hands in

addition to saying it. I eventually left out using the vowel sound

and would concentrate on the beginning and ending sounds.

The hand cues really helped. knew them all and if she

couldn't say the sound, she would do the hand cue.

> > Hi everyone. Just wanted to ask a question to see if anyone out

> there had this problem and maybe could help. My son is 2.4 years

> old, we are still questioning apraxia. He is starting to say a

few

> words (after about 5 weeks of proefa), but leaves off the ending

> sounds, like ou for out and ju for juice and li for light,

etc.....

> How do you get them to say the ending sound? Any suggestions?

> Thanks, Kristi in Florida

[Guest guest]

Kristi you have already received some great advice -I have a few more

suggestions.

Leaving off ending sounds is one of the classic signs of apraxia -

and it's something that is

documented and concrete in apraxia -so again as we read here -something that

there are various strategies for that work. (and Vinnie's Dad -it's not uncommon

for autistic children to also have underlying, undiagnosed, and thus untreated

apraxia)

http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

Since apraxia is a motor planning disorder -try breaking the words

down into syllables/sounds -which is the watered down concept (sorry

) of the Kaufman method which is just awesome for apraxic

children -and in my opinion not talked about enough! You can use

the Kaufman Kit one or two at home yourself -or your child's SLP can

(and in many cases does) use this during therapy sessions. Actually

the kit was made for professional use -we as parents have just

adopted it because it is so effective and so much fun to use at home.

Try multisensory techniques to get your child to do ending sounds.

This is one example I have in The Late Talker book -we were working

on Tanner saying the word " eat " and he of course would only

say " eee " So I made of game of the following and started it with my

older son Dakota -and then Tanner joined in. I said " eeee " and put

my head all the way towards my right shoulder -then said put my head

all the way towards my left shoulder and said " T! " and kept bopping

my head back and forth with each sound -laughing and saying " wow

this is just SO much fun! " (OK so I looked a bit weird -but it was

just Dakota and Tanner in the room -and after all -how many people

will actually read this here -or The Late Talker book?) Some other

tricks is bring " visual cueing " into the picture by taking two

objects -each object representing one of the sounds. " ha " " t " and

push them together and say " hat " You can use any two objects -two

packets of sugar (at a restaurant) two pencils (at school) two

blocks (in your kid's room) or two trains (when spending hours at

the mall toy store in front of the Brio train set that you have at

home that your child doesn't use there)

Another trick is to sing each sound -or jump to each sound -or clap

your hands to each sound -etc. I'm finding now that Tanner is

reading it's really excellent for the apraxia because the letters

cue him to each sound!

Bonnie I think you are the person that

asked? -there is no direct link between apraxia and dyslexia -my

sister has dyslexia so I know how frustrating that is. Tanner who

has apraxia has no learning disabilities (other than speech) Then again

-apraxia can co exist and these things are known to run in families.

One more thing Kristi -you just started the ProEFA -give it a few months -

you'll find this aspect of the apraxia will soften too. Since you

are in Florida -were you at the book signing the other day? If you

were you got to here all about how apraxic children can overcome

various aspects of the apraxia from !

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Our SLP used it. Here's one link that I found that talks about it:

http://www.solutionwhere.com/mbaea/cw/showcourse.asp?789

You can do a google search and come up with other hits.

I think the main thing is that it is multi-sensory approach. Every

sound has a hand cue. For the c/k sound you shape your hand in the

form of a cup. For the g sound you touch your throat. For the t

sound you flick your pointer finger. It's hard to explain in

writing, but the hand movements help simulate what the mouth/tongue

are supposed to do.

I think the Prompt technigue is probably pretty similar, but there

is a lot more information on prompt than on Visual Phonics. I think

the main thing is that kids with apraxia need a multisensory

approach to learning how to talk.

Suzi

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wrote:

> Please explain more about this visual phonics and where do you get

it?

> thanks Selena

>

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> From: luckygmstwife

[Guest guest]

Kristi,

My son went from saying:

ju to juice

pu to puzzle

mee mow to Mickey Mouse...etc.

For him it takes a while, but then the word clicks. For example, he stills

says 'wawa' for 'water' and he says 'sebateen' for 'seventeen' and 'Sank you

Mommy' for " Thank you " and last but not least, my personal favorite right

now, 'Piglet's BIG Mooshee'! :-) KIM

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I know what you mean.......Sydnie says Da for daddy.

~Angie

May God Bless You As He Has Us

www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sydniebrooke

mom to Sydnie (3, Ds),

Cautiously waiting for our second Miracle~ EDD 4/30/04

3 angels in Heaven

[ ] ending sounds

Hi everyone. Just wanted to ask a question to see if anyone out there had

this problem and maybe could help. My son is 2.4 years old, we are still

questioning apraxia. He is starting to say a few words (after about 5 weeks of

proefa), but leaves off the ending sounds, like ou for out and ju for juice and

li for light, etc..... How do you get them to say the ending sound? Any

suggestions? Thanks, Kristi in Florida

[Guest guest]

Hey Kristi

I just wanted to tell you that my son did the same thing when he began to

first talk at 3 1/2. I liked how our slp explained it at the time. You

have to learn to walk before you learn to run. She would even work on these

sounds with him doing flash cards. Example ba for ball. My husband did not

see how this would work but it did!! He is now 5 & is using 5 - 6 word

sentences. He still will drop some beginning & end sounds but for the most

part can be understood by strangers.

Tammy I. in FL mom to 5 apraxic

[Guest guest]

" That's the beauty of apraxia!!!! " Carolyn sums it up best!

Saying the same word sound or word more than once -or being able to

say a sound when it's in front of one letter vs. not being able to

say it (or saying it a different way) when the same letter is in

front of a different letter are all classic signs of apraxia. There

are a large group of classic signs of verbal apraxia (which unlike

oral apraxia can't be diagnosed until the child starts to talk) I

cover some of them we observed in Tanner here

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/verbalapraxia.html

Parent wise -for example when my then three year old Tanner wanted

to go outside he would break down trying to do the whole sentence so

it would come out " die, die, die, die, die? " (while pointing to the

door to go out) Or if Tanner wanted a lot of juice both hands

would go up in the air and he would say " Hi, hi, hi! " If

I " modeled " (said) the word for him first -and he did each word one

at a time -or each sound at a time (or clapped each sound, etc.) he

could say the sentence much better. Tanner's one therapist said

another reason that early intervention is so important for apraxic

children is that once the child " knows " the sound in their motor

memory wrong -you have to un-teach them to teach them which makes it

harder (for example in Kim's case -getting the child to always

say " potty " instead of " poddy " since that may be how he has it in

his motor memory)

Again -I would recommend the Kaufman technique to help with this

classic verbal part of the motor planning problem of apraxia. And again -this

is all covered from both a parent and professional view

point in The Late Talker.

http://www.speech-express.com/late.talker.html

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