RE: Re: dr trying to kill me?

[Guest guest]

Betty

i am in illinois and use a walgreen's for any meds like antibiotics or things.

as for my routine, everyday meds, i used to use walgreen's plus (mail order) but

now the insurance co. switched us to IPX, also a mail order. it was my local

walgreen's pharmacist that i spoke to who told me i was correct and to quit the

avandia.

this is so scary! could my lack of weight loss even though my BG's are perfect

and i eat no more than 30 or 35 carbs a day be due to congestive heart failure?

one of the symptoms is weight gain.

jodi

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Don't know what part of the world you live in but here in Florida I

find it worthwhile to buy all my drugs at the same drug store. The

pharmacists catch those kinds of things better than the doctor.

They have them computerized so the computer shows conflicts of

medicines, allergies, and dosages. In addition I try to check out

everything I take. Here if they find a problem they call the doctor.

Betty

>

> i called the pharmacy and he said i could and should quit taking

the avandia but to monitor my bg's really closely.

>

[Guest guest]

i have wolfe, parkinson's, white syndrome (heart). it's not a big deal...i was

born with 2 " sinus nodes " in the heart. the 2nd one has only kicked in 6 or 7

times and there is a drug they inject to stop it (verapimil). but it is a heart

defect none the less.

i am going to ask the doctor to refer me to my cardio to get checked. i trust my

cardio dr! he knew i had a bad reaction to the first drug they tried when the

sinus node kicked in the first time and while i was in his office for a

follow-up, he called both hospitals in my area and made sure the records for me

indicated NOT to use that first drug. he also made sure i knew the drug that

should be used and had me tell all my family what it was.

i am curious if he knew about the avandia and insulin thing. i haven't seen him

since before i started the avandia.

btw, have been tracking my BG's every hour today and so far, since not taking

the avandia tonight, nothing is different than if i had. so either the

glucophage is enough with the insulin or maybe the new injection procedure

worked!

did i write earlier and tell that Dr. Bernstein says we shouldn't inject more

than 7 units in any injection? i had to take 38 units at 8pm so i did 5

injections of 7 units and 1 of 5 units. my hubby almost keeled over. LOL did all

6 shots in the belly!

jodi

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A lot of users develop

congestive heart failure while on the drug, but it stops when you

discontinue use. . It also says that people with left ventricular heart

problems or kidney insufficiency should not use these two products.

[Guest guest]

no, i think i missed that one. i am doing so good on low carb! tonight, we went

out to eat and i had a small soup cup of green salad with oil & vinegar (most of

which was left in the bowl). and then i had a half pound burger with mushrooms,

motz cheese and a tiny bit of onion. no bun and no condiments! had ice tea,

black and then a cup of coffee with real cream.

in a prefect world, i'd be dropping weight like butter melting off a hot knife!

i lost over a hundred pounds in one year just about 3 years ago! this time,

something is wrong! but i also know that before, i only took like 20 units of

insulin twice a day.

jodi

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Did you read the recent post on this site about the brain controlling

weight and glucose?

[Guest guest]

not that i read.

jodi

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Are there warnings now about taking Actos with Insulin??? I didn't see them in

the patient information!

[Guest guest]

Codewriterx wrote:

>how could my dr's not have known about this? or do they not care?

>

>

>

You have to shake the idea that doctors are competent

professionals who keep up to date on medical issues. I know that's

what they're supposed to be, but the truth is they're not. They are

more like auto mechanics. Think of them as egotistical bozos who keep

up with modern medicine by occasionally reading magazines and going to

Las Vegas for medical seminars where they write off gambling and lying

in the sun off their taxes. There is an old joke that circulates

around hospitals. They say that a medical license is a license to

kill. And as cynical as that sounds, there's a frightening amount of

truth in that. If your doctor is incompetent, and because of that, you

develop diabetic complications and die, your doctor will not be arrested

and put in jail. He will be allowed to kill all the rest of the

diabetic patients with his medical incompetence. And that's all that

will happen to him.

There are a lot of good doctors out there, but the bottom line is

we will suffer for doctors mistakes. That means if you want to stay

healthy, not just for diabetes, but for all diseases, you're going to

have to get educated. You have to learn about your diseases and what

the current treatment is and question everything your doctor does. And

if your doctors not willing to work that way, then that's a clue you may

have a bad doctor, and you need to find another doctor.

Edd

[Guest guest]

i am hoping my doctor is going to be willing to work with me on this. if not, i

will go elsewhere.

jodi

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You have to shake the idea that doctors are competent

professionals who keep up to date on medical issues. I know that's

what they're supposed to be, but the truth is they're not. They are

more like auto mechanics. Think of them as egotistical bozos who keep

up with modern medicine by occasionally reading magazines and going to

Las Vegas for medical seminars where they write off gambling and lying

in the sun off their taxes. There is an old joke that circulates

around hospitals. They say that a medical license is a license to

kill. And as cynical as that sounds, there's a frightening amount of

truth in that. If your doctor is incompetent, and because of that, you

develop diabetic complications and die, your doctor will not be arrested

and put in jail. He will be allowed to kill all the rest of the

diabetic patients with his medical incompetence. And that's all that

will happen to him.

There are a lot of good doctors out there, but the bottom line is

we will suffer for doctors mistakes. That means if you want to stay

healthy, not just for diabetes, but for all diseases, you're going to

have to get educated. You have to learn about your diseases and what

the current treatment is and question everything your doctor does. And

if your doctors not willing to work that way, then that's a clue you may

have a bad doctor, and you need to find another doctor.

Edd

[Guest guest]

I think the site you're talking about is

www.rxlist.com

Vicki

Re: dr trying to kill me?

> Jodi,

> These kinds of these are scary. I used to let just about anything

> the doctors said/did go unchallenged. It's a wonder my family has

> survived. Now I am probably too much the other way but I feel sure

> that my daughter would not have lived otherwise. It does make things

> difficult for me in some ways. At least information has become

> readily available especially with the computer. Recently I came

> across a site about drugs but sorry to say I did not mark it. Maybe

> someone else on this forum will know. You post in all your drugs and

> the computer program identifies problems. I just remember that but

> of course I don't know how it actually works or any such.

>

> Did you read the recent post on this site about the brain controlling

> weight and glucose?

> Betty

> > i am in illinois and use a walgreen's for any meds like antibiotics

> or things. as for my routine, everyday meds, i used to use walgreen's

> plus (mail order) but now the insurance co. switched us to IPX, also

> a mail order. it was my local walgreen's pharmacist that i spoke to

> who told me i was correct and to quit the avandia.

> >

> > this is so scary! could my lack of weight loss even though my BG's

> are perfect and i eat no more than 30 or 35 carbs a day be due to

> congestive heart failure? one of the symptoms is weight gain.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LOL i think my dr will be willing to learn with my help. funny you should say

" threatened by the internet " because my psychiatrist makes me promise not to

surf and look up drugs she prescribes!

i am off of all the meds she had me on but she did try to put me on a few that

had horrible side effects! oh and one of my biggest phobias is being

sedated...so she puts me on xanax, 4 times a day plus zoloft!

jodi

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If your doctor is one who is threatened by your use of the internet --

and there are some out there -- and is of the paternalistic variety

(just do as I say and don't worry your little head about it), I'd say

it's time to find another doctor if you can. Diabetes control works

best when there's a LOT of input from the patient.

[Guest guest]

This is the reason I love my Doc a whole lot; anything new that comes up, he

spells it on a piece of paper and says " look it up on the net and bring me

any questions " . He is conservative in treatment, but I feel that what I

bring him in the way of info is heard and he will reasonably make changes

if he can. I would never feel endangered by him using questionable drugs, I

feel quite sure of that.

Jo in Minnesota

> LOL i think my dr will be willing to learn with my help. funny you should

say " threatened by the internet " because my psychiatrist makes me promise

not to surf and look up drugs she prescribes!

>

> i am off of all the meds she had me on but she did try to put me on a few

that had horrible side effects! oh and one of my biggest phobias is being

sedated...so she puts me on xanax, 4 times a day plus zoloft!

>

> jodi

[Guest guest]

hi jo in mn!

you are lucky to have a good dr!

jodi

[Guest guest]

my problem is that i don't want to be medicated for every silly thing that comes

along.

years ago, i was told by a cardio that if i didn't let them " zap " the extra

sinus node i was born with, my heart would die and so would i. i was 26, that

was 19 years ago and i've only had a total of 6 episodes of wpw in my life! one

less vacation for that dr!

my shrink is aware of my heart condition but has twice attempted to put me on

meds that would cause heart problems for me!

my internist thinks i need allegra for my allergies (kleenex and vicks is all

that's needed), 2 inhalers for my asthma or i will quit breathing (i quit

smoking instead!) and btw, when i did use the inhalers, i got oral thrush and

needed nystantin liquid and pure liquid codeine for the pain!

i could go on and on but i think you get my point. i don't like to be over

medicated. my only life threatening illness is diabetes and once this weight

comes off, that will be well under control...no i am well under control BG wise

now...what i should say is then i will have to take way less meds for that too

jodi

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Have you ever read Jerome K. Jerome's " Three Men in a Boat " ? There is

an episode in which one of the characters reads a medical encyclopedia

and each disease he reads about he's convinced he has the early symptoms

of. In a panic, he goes to his doctor who gives him a perscription. He

goes to the pharmacist, who tells him that he can't fill the

perscription. The man looks at the perscription and reads:

" To be taken daily:

1 pint dark beer

1 pound roast beef

1 five-mile walk

Don't fill your head with things you don't understand. "

[Guest guest]

Well, I can easily have a weight problem but I know what causes it -

FOOD! Food of the wrong kind and if I start eating a bunch of carby

stuff again I'll gain weight again. So insulin will have to be just a

different Db treatment and not an excuse for a change in diet. The

nausea from the oral meds is kind of keeping me off too much food right

now, but I'm really getting concerned about the cumulative effect of

Avandia over the past year.

CarolR

whimsy2 wrote:

> Carol, I " ve been on insulin for almost five years and I haven't gained

> any weight from it. OTOH, I'm type 1, not 2, and I never did have a

> weight problem.

> Vicki