Re: Sleep Deprivation & Insulin Resistance

[Guest guest]

Well it draws a conclusion that sleep deprivation is a causal factor in

IR but perhaps it is really IR that causes short sleeping? How do we

know?

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

I don't have IR but I do have a longstanding sleep disturbance which is

now resolved by taking 2 generic Benadryl at bedtime nightly. But even

with that, I only get about 6-1/2 hours sleep. I turn out the lights at

10:30, awake to alarm at 5:30. I still don't fall right asleep but I'm

happy if it happens within a half hour. I don't have trouble waking up

and have plenty of energy throughout the day. I love early mornings.

Before I started taking the Benadryl, I had ghastly insomnia --

sometimes initial (taking 1-2 hours to fall asleep), sometimes middle -

falling asleep within a half hour but (waking at 2 a.m. and not being

able to get back to sleep for an hour) or end (waking up at 4 a.m.,

forget about getting back to sleep!). But that only started since

menopause. (and I'm now 66). Before that, I got plenty of sleep with no

problems..

Vicki

Re: Sleep Deprivation & Insulin Resistance

> Well it draws a conclusion that sleep deprivation is a causal factor

in

> IR but perhaps it is really IR that causes short sleeping? How do we

> know?

>

>

> cappie

[Guest guest]

Vicki that sounds exactly how my sleep problems are. Before menopause I got

lots of sleep at night. Now my sleep habits are just like you described before

you started taking benydrl. I cant take it, makes me sick. I have been taking

2.5 mg valium at night. I usually can go to sleep now in about 30 to 45 minutes

and I still sleep about 2 hours then wake up. Cant go back to sleep usually I

watch a movie have a glass of milk and get back to sleep within 2 to 3 hours.

It is a nasty problem. I am tired most of the time. I am 61 and all done with

the menopause thing.

Jan Haney

T2

I don't have IR but I do have a longstanding sleep disturbance which is

now resolved by taking 2 generic Benadryl at bedtime nightly. But even

with that, I only get about 6-1/2 hours sleep. I turn out the lights at

10:30, awake to alarm at 5:30. I still don't fall right asleep but I'm

happy if it happens within a half hour. I don't have trouble waking up

and have plenty of energy throughout the day. I love early mornings.

Before I started taking the Benadryl, I had ghastly insomnia --

sometimes initial (taking 1-2 hours to fall asleep), sometimes middle -

falling asleep within a half hour but (waking at 2 a.m. and not being

able to get back to sleep for an hour) or end (waking up at 4 a.m.,

forget about getting back to sleep!). But that only started since

menopause. (and I'm now 66). Before that, I got plenty of sleep with no

problems..

[Guest guest]

Cappie asked

> Well it draws a conclusion that sleep deprivation is a causal factor in

> IR but perhaps it is really IR that causes short sleeping? How do we

> know? >

There has been quite a lot of research on sleep deprivation and IR. In one

study they divided " normal " students into two groups and made one group

sleep only 4 -5 hours a night and the other group slept at least 8 hours.

The insulin resistance of the sleep deprived students was increased

significantly.

To quote two paragraphs from a report:

" After four hours of sleep for six consecutive nights, healthy young men had

blood test results that

nearly matched those of diabetics. Their ability to process blood sugar was

reduced by 30 percent, they

had a huge drop in their insulin response, and they had elevated levels of a

stress hormone called

cortisol, which can lead to hypertension and memory impairment. "

" We had results that were more compatible with individuals 60-years-old than

with young, fit

men in their early '20s, " Van Cauter explains. "

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_010330_sleep.html

Risks of Short Sleeping. Recent Studies Expose Dangers in Chronic Sleep

Deprivation

Bea

[Guest guest]

Vicki: I DO have IR & have had long standing sleep problems--at least

20 yrs. I have no trouble getting to sleep but rarely sleep more than 4

hrs at a time. I consider 6 hrs a reason to celebrate. However because

I am retired now I don't care, I just go back to sleep after awhile &

sleep till 8 or so or else take a short nap in the early afternoon.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bea for that study, that seems to clear up the confusion.

Even tho my own sleep patterns have been rotten for such a long time it

was not till after they became impossible during 5 yrs of care for my

mum who had Alzheimer's that they really wemt to hell. Couple that with

trying to work full time also & the terrible stress really got to me.

It also created many other problems including my spinal injury. No

wonder I developed diabetes shortly after her death.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Jan, another thing that may help if you can't take Benadryl...try

calcium and magnesium (separate pills, if possible, to get the right

ratio). I tried this during a time when I decided to stop Benadryl and

it worked for me about 75% of the time. I took 2 Citrical for a total

of 1260 mg and two 250 mg, total of 500 magnesium tablets. The ratio is

the imporant thing: should be about 1 part magnesium to 2 parts calcium.

Take this about a half hour before bedtime.

Try it and let me know if it works. Certainly can't hurt.

Vicki

Re: Sleep Deprivation & Insulin Resistance

> Vicki that sounds exactly how my sleep problems are. Before menopause

I got lots of sleep at night. Now my sleep habits are just like you

described before you started taking benydrl. I cant take it, makes me

sick. I have been taking 2.5 mg valium at night. I usually can go to

sleep now in about 30 to 45 minutes and I still sleep about 2 hours then

wake up. Cant go back to sleep usually I watch a movie have a glass of

milk and get back to sleep within 2 to 3 hours. It is a nasty problem.

I am tired most of the time. I am 61 and all done with the menopause

thing.

>

> Jan Haney

> T2

>

>

> I don't have IR but I do have a longstanding sleep disturbance which

is

> now resolved by taking 2 generic Benadryl at bedtime nightly. But

even

> with that, I only get about 6-1/2 hours sleep. I turn out the

lights at

> 10:30, awake to alarm at 5:30. I still don't fall right asleep but

I'm

> happy if it happens within a half hour. I don't have trouble

waking up

> and have plenty of energy throughout the day. I love early

mornings.

>

> Before I started taking the Benadryl, I had ghastly insomnia --

> sometimes initial (taking 1-2 hours to fall asleep), sometimes

middle -

> falling asleep within a half hour but (waking at 2 a.m. and not

being

> able to get back to sleep for an hour) or end (waking up at 4 a.m.,

> forget about getting back to sleep!). But that only started since

> menopause. (and I'm now 66). Before that, I got plenty of sleep

with no

> problems..

>

[Guest guest]

There are many factors that lead us to diabetes. Genes, aging, menopause

plus all the things like stress, and lack of sleep. People with ADHD tend to

have poor sleep patterns - falling asleep or staying asleep AND - we often

have paradoxical reactions to sleep medications, and strategies. Iwrestled

with trying to go to sleep and or staying asleep for most of my life until a

few years ago when I realised that more often than not I fall asleep

watching TV. So now I plan to do so!. recently several people on one of my

ADHD lists talked about getting their best night's sleep with the TV on.

Coping with babies that don't sleep, or are sick, or with someone with

Alzheimers is such a huge 24/7 challenge. I takes a very special person to

cope.

Bea

cappie wrote

> Thanks Bea for that study, that seems to clear up the confusion.

>

> Even tho my own sleep patterns have been rotten for such a long time it

> was not till after they became impossible during 5 yrs of care for my

> mum who had Alzheimer's that they really wemt to hell. Couple that with

> trying to work full time also & the terrible stress really got to me.

> It also created many other problems including my spinal injury. No

> wonder I developed diabetes shortly after her death.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Tootie-I believe we have talked about the careging for

Alzheimer's once before long ago on another list.

Sorry about all the sad reprecussions you have also had from that

caregiving stress. Although I am glad I was able to provide that care

for my mum (I am an only child & she had no one other than me to do it),

I would NEVER want my own kids to do it for me if I ever develop AZ. It

is so emotionally destructive to the family to watch someone they love

die one braincell at a time & as we have discvered it can also be

physically destructive to the caregiver also.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...