Re: Check this out/steroids

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In a message dated 6/24/2004 12:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> But I hope prednisone is not one of the drugs and I

> hope nobody takes this unless there is a serious illness.

NO NO...we're not talking pharmalogical doses here...they definitely have bad

side effects. I had to make this jump in faith too....but after reading and

reading....I realized the difference between a pharmalogical dose and a

physiological dose....the latter being one that merely supports adrenal

function.

Cindi

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In a message dated 6/24/2004 12:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> I also

> have a problem where the neuro offered prednisone as an option, but I will

> have to be much worse before I would even consider thinking about it!

this is the way I was...because of taking large tapered doses of prednisone

for asthma....ones that shut your adrenals down...I was dead set against

prednisone. But i educated myself...and understand the benefit of adrenal

support

in low adrenal reserve.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

You all lose me when talking about adrenal meds. I am not familiar with

any of the names mentioned when discussing the subject of adrenal

supplementation. But I hope prednisone is not one of the drugs and I

hope nobody takes this unless there is a serious illness. My mother has

been on prednisone for years and it has done a lot of damage. I also

have a problem where the neuro offered prednisone as an option, but I will

have to be much worse before I would even consider thinking about it!

....joan

> Prolonged daily treatment with more than replacement dosage of

> adrenocortical steroids produces major complications sooner or later

> in virtually all patients

...this is talking about pharmalogial doses...like when I took tapered

doses of prednisone for asthma. The doses for adrenal support are

physiological in nature...and do NOT cause these problems.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

At what dose?

high doses cause a lot of damage...low low doses do not...2.5mg-5mg.

Re: Re: Check this out/steroids

My mother has

> been on prednisone for years and it has done a lot of damage. >

....joan

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In a message dated 6/25/2004 9:48:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> However, what it critical

> is to know the difference in dosage since the prednisone is 4 times stronger

> than Cortef.

>

a big amen on that. I can understand the feelings about prednisone. The

huge doses I used to take to shut down the adrenals (for asthma) really helped

wreck my overall health. But it's funny....when I would be taking those huge

doses I would often comment that I wish I could just take a 10 mg. every day

because I felt so much better with prednisone.

Well...all these years later.....I'm taking 5 mg. a day...and boy can my body

tell the difference. I think I'm scaring my husband...he's never seen me

feel this good I don't think.

Cindi

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In a message dated 6/25/2004 10:41:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> They don't mind giving a huge damaging dose with some diseases, but

> don't want to give a very small dose for adrenal fatigue.

>

And this continues to totally boggle my mind...they didn't mind shutting down

my adrenals....but don't want to do anything to support them.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Hi, Joan,

No wonder there's damage with 60 mg.! (With 20mg. being a normal daily dosage,

that's equal to

240 mg.!) Does your mother have Crohn's or a pulmonary disease? I'm so sorry she

had to take

this.

Yes, doctors are strange. They don't mind giving a huge damaging dose with some

diseases, but

don't want to give a very small dose for adrenal fatigue.

in Va.

-----

Maintenance dose now of 1mg, weaning down from 10 mg last year and original

dose of 60 mg the year before that. Once before she was on a maintenance

dose of 5 mg for a long time (years) and yes, it does damage. Plus, when

you ask a doctor why this and why that, they want to blame everything on the

prednisone, even though it is such a low dose. ...joan

>>>>At what dose?

high doses cause a lot of damage...low low doses do not...2.5mg-5mg.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Does Peatfield explain how you know if you need it longer than 3 months?

in Va.

It's hard to see where 1 mg. does much...but 10 and 60 are pharmalogical

doses...and long-term use would cause damage. 5 mg should not...although I can

see if a person didn't have weak adrenals..and were using it for something

else...it would be a slight overload...but still not likey to cause damage.

Adrenal support is usually done for 2-3 months....although Peatfield says some

folks

need it for up to 2 years.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/26/2004 12:47:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> Does Peatfield explain how you know if you need it longer than 3 months?

>

What Peatfield says is the " the length of time necessary to provide adrenal

support is really infinitely variable " . He talks about some people tapering

off after six or eight weeks. But then he says " sometimes, the adrenals have

been so badly hit that the adrenal support may be required for months... " .

A friend on the thyroid board was just explaining this to me. She says to

wait until you have a sustained strength back before reducing the dose....that

there will come a time when you will feel great ALL THE TIME (she used caps),

and there will no longer be any gaps in your energy. Then she says stay at

that point for a least a month before reducing the dose.

I wish I could explain how this Deltracortril feels. It's nothing like being

wired or anything. It is very subtle...like my body isn't straining...like

it feel like it have everything it needs to make it through the day.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

This gives me hope. I can't wait until my hydrocortisone arrives.

Jen

-- Re: Re: Check this out/steroids

I wish I could explain how this Deltracortril feels. It's nothing like being

wired or anything. It is very subtle...like my body isn't straining...like

it feel like it have everything it needs to make it through the day.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Hydrocortisone should be dosed based on trial. Jeffries thought

effective dosing was anywhere between 2.5 mg to 7.5 mg. four times

per day. Personally, I did not do well on taking hydrocortisone

before bedtime as he suggests as it gave me too much energy and I

had trouble sleeping. Andy Cutler recomends dosing at either 5 mg.

four times a day or trying to mimic natural release which is greater

in the morning by giving 10 mg. in the morning and 5 mg. in the

afternoon.

I have done best (energy wise) by taking 10 mg. in the morning, 5

mg. in the early afternoon, and 5 mg. in the late afternoon.

However, it definitely increased my appetite and after an undesired

weight gain over the past year, I have been lessening to 5 mg. in

the morning, 5 mg. in the early afternoon, and about 2-3 mg. in the

late afternoon. This has helped me lose about 10 pounds (with

exercise) over the past 3 months. Before that I was also exercising

5 days/week (cycling) and could not lose anything.

Jay

> In a message dated 6/27/2004 6:59:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cris@z... writes:

>

> > how much cortef should be taken? and how much prednisone? and

prednisolone?

> >

>

> Cortef - natural - 4x a day - not sure of dosage

>

> Prednisolone (a form of prednisone) - synthetic - 1 x a day start

with 2.5

> for a few days, then up to 5 mg. per day

>

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/28/2004 4:00:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> It sounds like Prednisolone

> is better than Prednisone because it doesn't have to be converted for use in

> the body. (Someone

> correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think I read that somewhere.)

>

that's right....there's something about it being chemically altered so it

doesn't have to pass thru the liver...don't know what all that means...but yes,

it's supposed to be better.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Hi, Cris,

It's suggested that 20 mg. a day of Cortef be taken. Or 5 mg. of Prednisone or

Prednisolone

be taken. If you encounter stress like an illness, trauma etc., you'd double

your dosage for 2 or 3 days

and taper back to the 20mg. Cortef or 5mg of Prednisone or Prednisolone. It

sounds like Prednisolone

is better than Prednisone because it doesn't have to be converted for use in the

body. (Someone

correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think I read that somewhere.)

When I took Cortef, I took 10 mg. in the morning, 4 hours later 5 mg. and 4

hours later 5 mg. You can

take the last 5 mg. at bedtime. Some prefer it. But if it keeps you awake go

back to the afternoon. It's

suggested to be taken with food.

I have a watch that has 4 alarms that can be set. So remembering the doses were

not a problem. I

just set my watch.

in Va.

ok - I'm going on information confusion overload again!!

how much cortef should be taken? and how much prednisone? and prednisolone?

(sort of assuming pred and pred would be dosed the same? )

Cris

Re: Re: Check this out/steroids

As I said before, I wouldn't take prednisone. I prefer Cortef. However, what

it

critical

is to know the difference in dosage since the prednisone is 4 times stronger

than Cortef.

in Va.

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[Guest guest]

thank you ! this puts it all 'in a nutshell' for me!!!! and I needed that!!

Cris

----- Original Message -----

Hi, Cris,

It's suggested that 20 mg. a day of Cortef be taken. Or 5 mg. of Prednisone or

Prednisolone

be taken. If you encounter stress like an illness, trauma etc., you'd double

your dosage for 2 or 3 days

and taper back to the 20mg. Cortef or 5mg of Prednisone or Prednisolone. It

sounds like Prednisolone

is better than Prednisone because it doesn't have to be converted for use in the

body. (Someone

correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think I read that somewhere.)

When I took Cortef, I took 10 mg. in the morning, 4 hours later 5 mg. and 4

hours later 5 mg. You can

take the last 5 mg. at bedtime. Some prefer it. But if it keeps you awake go

back to the afternoon. It's

suggested to be taken with food.

I have a watch that has 4 alarms that can be set. So remembering the doses were

not a problem. I

just set my watch.

in Va.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:17:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

nweller@... writes:

> That's cortisol -- the natural one. Is that the same as Cortef?

>

yes

cindi

[Guest guest]

Hi, Cris

I just got the go-ahead from my doctor today to start

hydrocortisone. They are going to call in a prescription for me.

Yay! He's starting me out on 2.5 mg 4 times a day (10 mg total).

That's cortisol -- the natural one. Is that the same as Cortef?

Anybody? Maybe it depends on how much you weigh or how well you

adapt to different drugs. Me, I'm kind of sensitive and am better

starting out low.

> thank you ! this puts it all 'in a nutshell' for me!!!! and I

needed that!!

> Cris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " " <cubfan23@c...>

>

>

>

> Hi, Cris,

> It's suggested that 20 mg. a day of Cortef be taken. Or 5 mg. of

Prednisone or

> Prednisolone

> be taken. If you encounter stress like an illness, trauma etc.,

you'd double

> your dosage for 2 or 3 days

> and taper back to the 20mg. Cortef or 5mg of Prednisone or

Prednisolone. It

> sounds like Prednisolone

> is better than Prednisone because it doesn't have to be converted

for use in the

> body. (Someone

> correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think I read that somewhere.)

> When I took Cortef, I took 10 mg. in the morning, 4 hours later 5

mg. and 4

> hours later 5 mg. You can

> take the last 5 mg. at bedtime. Some prefer it. But if it keeps you

awake go

> back to the afternoon. It's

> suggested to be taken with food.

> I have a watch that has 4 alarms that can be set. So remembering

the doses were

> not a problem. I

> just set my watch.

> in Va.