RE: Help with child treatment

[Guest guest]

nne, would you be willing to share what type of lab values your

child has as he is responding positively to thyroid hormone and how

much you are using??Thanks,Jay

Hi Jay,

Here were the lab values I have. The doc wouldn’t to the free T3, because he

said it wasn’t important. Ha..I just went with it because he is my regular

pediatrician and we are going to a top doc next week. I was just getting the

testing done with the insurance….anyway this was 2 weeks after starting him

on ¼ grain amour. He is 57 pounds and 8 years old. He is now up to ½ grain

and doing super. I am monitoring him with temperature, blood pressure and

pulse rates. I did muscle testing with the armour before I started, and it

really showed he needed it. Anyway, I plunged ahead on my own, since it was

an 8 week wait for the top doc, and I was convinced I had uncovered the

“real” problem.

My own last TSH was around 3.6, and I was feeling miserable, so even though

my son’s was in the range, I knew he was still hypo. I have more than

doubled my armour since my last test, and finally feel great!

The difference in Conner is totally amazing. It is the best thing I have

done to date. We did try a 6 week stint of Adderall. That was indeed

miraculous with his school work, but he was turning a bit mean at home, and

could not sleep. So since school is out, it was the perfect time to take him

off that. I took him off the adderall, and on to the armour the next day. It

seemed that the armour took up where the adderall left off, with none of the

bad side effects. He doesn’t have quite the attention he had on the

adderall, but he probably isn’t on the optimum dose of armour yet.

We have done one round of chelation while on the armour, and he sailed thru

it without skipping a beat. None of the tiredness of past rounds.

I now have my own theory about this heavy metal accumulation in some

people…..my son had no vaccinations, and no reason to have mercury, except

from my amalgams while breast feeding etc. The funny thing was when I did my

own hair test, twice, even, it showed I do not have accumulated metals. I do

not meet the counting rules. I couldn’t believe it, so I re did the test…. I

have so many amalaams it isn’t funny. I couldn’t figure this out, until I

realized I have been on thyroid for 10 years. ( 9years of synthroid and 1

year of armour) Maybe I was able to excrete the metals as you should. Then

my husband, who is hypo as they come, and is untreated, since his TSH is

low… had a mercury reading off the chart on his hair test. He doesn’t even

have many fillings. We eat the same food…why does he have this mercury? We

don’ know….He is starting on armour, so we will see later if this comes down

on it’s own, since he can’t chelate yet.

Anyway, the final straw was when I started amalgam removal last November, I

went down hill in a hurry. I thought I was going to feel better, and I kept

getting worse with each tooth.(one per month) During the last one in March,

the electricity went out, and the suction no doubt didn’t get all the

mercury out of the air, and I became incapacitated ….Now months later

….after researching fibro and chronic fatigue, I learned about the thyroid

connection to both, and the uselessness of TSH tests….I got my doc to give

me more armour, even thought he thought my test was perfect. I have more

than doubled my armour, then I added adrenal support, and a touch of T3

additionally on my own, and I am finally feeling great.

I guess that’s the story!

I think you are on the right track. Good for you for looking into this!

And…if YOU find out anything about what exactly the mercury and metals does

to the thyroid I would love to know. Someone said the mercury sits on the

receptor sites, so it looks like all is well, but you are not getting

anything to the cells. Something like that….

nne

T-4 free 1.3 (0.9-1.6)

TSH 3.39 (0.7.-6.40)

Both antibiodies test were <2 (<2)

Ferritin 32 (10-105)

Iron binding capacity 398 (250-400)

Saturation 17 (15-50)

Iron and total iron binding capacity 66 (40-190)

CBC (includes DIFF?PLT) 9.2 (4.5-13.5)

*Red Blood cell count 5.29 (4-5.20)

Hemoglobin 15.1 (11.5-15.5)

*Hemotocrit 45.5 (35-45)

MCV 82.7 (77-95)

MCH 27.6 (25-33)

MCHC 33.3(31-36)

RDW 13.9 (11-15)

Platelet count 234 (140-400)

Absolute neutrophils 4572 (1500-8000)

Absolute lymphocytes 3358 (1500-6500)

Absolute monocytes 616 (200-900)

+Absolute ensinophils 626 (5-500)

Absolute basophils 28 (0-200)

Neutrophils 49%

Lymphocytes 36.5 %

Momocytes 6.7%

Eosinophils 6.8%

Basophild 0.3 %

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[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

Thanks for the info. I had all of my amalgams (deep in about 12

teeth) removed about 2 years ago. Prior to removal, I went to an

alternative doctor (Dr. Bock, his brother in the same practice is a

DAN doc). My TSH at that time was 1.92 with both free T4 and free

T3 at the lower end of the normal range. I have been chelating

inconsistently for two years (about 50 rounds) with some moderate

improvements. A few months ago, when I was on 2 grains of Armour my

TSH was 0.12 with free T4 and free T3 in the middle of the normal

range. I recently tried to go up to 3 grains, but had some problems

with sleep and gastro (but also was trying to lessen hydrocortisone

which might have been the problem) so I went back down to 2 grains.

I'm going to try 2.5 grains now as I have increased my

hydrocortisone back to 5 mg. in am, 5 mg. in afternoon, and about

2.5 mg. in the late afternoon/early evening.

By the way, I recently had a file review done on myself by Andy

Cutler. It was actually a little disappointing, considering what I

have heard from others who have had it done.

Jay

>

>

> nne, would you be willing to share what type of lab values

your

> child has as he is responding positively to thyroid hormone and

how

> much you are using??Thanks,Jay

>

>

> Hi Jay,

>

> Here were the lab values I have. The doc wouldn't to the free T3,

because he

> said it wasn't important. Ha..I just went with it because he is my

regular

> pediatrician and we are going to a top doc next week. I was just

getting the

> testing done with the insurance….anyway this was 2 weeks after

starting him

> on ¼ grain amour. He is 57 pounds and 8 years old. He is now up to

½ grain

> and doing super. I am monitoring him with temperature, blood

pressure and

> pulse rates. I did muscle testing with the armour before I

started, and it

> really showed he needed it. Anyway, I plunged ahead on my own,

since it was

> an 8 week wait for the top doc, and I was convinced I had

uncovered the

> " real " problem.

>

>

>

> My own last TSH was around 3.6, and I was feeling miserable, so

even though

> my son's was in the range, I knew he was still hypo. I have more

than

> doubled my armour since my last test, and finally feel great!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Jay, why did you start thyroid with that low TSH? Were you going

by

> symptoms?

>

Hi nne,

I had lots of hypo symptoms. I also read that many alternative

doctors thought that a TSH over 1.5 was " sluggish " and certainly my

free T4 and T3 levels were less than optimal.

I buy my own thyroid because, of course, my primary doctor thought

my levels were fine.

Jay

[Guest guest]

Possibly resistance, but then there is also the possibility it could be the

beginnings of Grave's Disease. If that is the case, then the pituitary has

just gotten started at pushing the thyroid to produce more hormone, though

it may have just been " hanging in there " , pushing at this level only, for a

long time (I don't know when this child's problems really began, noone would

know I don't guess). These types of problems are why it is absolutely

crucial to determine the antibodies, and, specifically, what type of thyroid

antibodies. From what I've read, the antibodies to TSH are the ones that

most specifically determine the difference between Graves (TSH receptor

antibodies and either the antithyroglobulin antibodies or the

antithyroidperoxidase antibodies, I forget which one of those last two,

duhh!) and Hashimoto's Disease. Hashimoto's usually has both the antiTPO

AND the antithyroglobulin antibodies. I believe that these antibodies skew

the test results, including the TSH, as is sited by many authorities on the

sbjct, especially when they are in very high numbers. You could google on

the sbjct of " Do thyroid antibodies skew thyroid blood test results " , and

you will see what I mean. I believe that many ADHD children and ADD

children have these problems, but noone will listen to us about this. I

have four children who are naturally my own, and two children who are my

step children. All six children have mothers who have thyroid disease,

mine being Hashi's. One of HER natural born children had all kinds of

concentration problems, inability to pass in school, and, later, drug

problems. The other one did not. Three of mine are girls, one is a boy.

The first two girls of mine have a different father from the last two (a

girl, then a boy). The first two girls from my first marriage both have my

Hashi's and subsequent hypo (this father's family also has thyroid disease

on that side). Both had extreme difficulty in concentration in school and

in all of life, only before they were diagnosed and treated in their adult

yrs. The two children from my second marriage have yet to display thyroid

disease, though I believe that this girl is displaying undiagnosed

hyperthyroidism, but I can't get her to go to the doctor. Neither one of

these children displayed ANY problems, either physical or otherwise in

shool. In fact, they were both accelerated students, but not due to

anything extra that I did. I studied with ALL my children, yet there were

different outcomes for all, none by their choices. ALL the children are

adults in their 30s and 20s now. I gave this scenario for a reason----They

say that thyroid disease is hidden for awhile, but if we're really paying

attention, it certainly is NOT hidden, maybe only from the unknowledgeable.

I was very unknowledgeable at the time I was raising them on this particular

sbjct. This is why educating ourselves on this sbjct is soooo important,

and it's also why the antibodies tests should be the FIRST thyroid tests run

on a child who is displaying learning problems, in my opinion. I have PHD

in child rearing. It's called Parents' Hard Diagnosis.

Help with child treatment

> Hi all,

>

> I could use the group's help and expertise. I am a school

> psychologist who has been doing behavior therapy (applied behavior

> analysis) with autistic spectrum children for many years. Because

> of my own medical/nutrional issues and experience with children

> using biomedical approaches, I'm fairly knowledgeable about these

> areas as well (hi nne from the Autism-Mercury group).

>

> I have been working with a child for about 3 years who has been

> doing biomedical strategies. He recently had some comprehensive

> medical testing and had interesting thyroid results:

>

> TSH 3.75

> T4 10.6 range 4.0 - 12.0

> free T4 1.6 range 0.9 - 1.6

> T3 187 range 127 - 221

> free T3 630 range 337 - 506

>

> To me, these numbers suggest the pituitary is screaming at the

> thyroid gland to make more thryoid hormones (high TSH) even though

> there seems to be adequate thyroid hormone available to the body

> (free T3 and free T4 at high levels).

>

> Is this an indication of cellular resistance where the hormone is

> available but not getting into the cells to do its work and the

> pituitary thinks there isn't enough available? What would the

> treatment advice be here? Andy Cutler has recommended a thyroid

> antibody test. If that came out positive or negative how would that

> affect treatment?

>

> nne, would you be willing to share what type of lab values your

> child has as he is responding positively to thyroid hormone and how

> much you are using??

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jay