Re: showing signs of aspergers

November 10, 2003

Hi Michele,

You may want to look into this behavior being something else other

than the apraxia. May or may not be aspergers. Some of the parents

in this group for example have children with OCD as well as a

communication impairments. One condition has nothing to do direct

with the other of course, but it's not unusual for communication

impairment to co exist with other issues/disorders/syndromes or

impairments.

Here is an archived post from Jennie who runs the Florida

support grouplist, is one of the moderators of this one, and who has

a child with apraxia and OCD ( is on the Talking Page

http://www.debtsmart.com/talk/ ) I'm sure others who have children

with co existing conditions can help add more. I would suggest a

professional evaluation. What does your son's neuroMD say?:

From: " Jennie Lyon " <borngmama@...>

Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 11:45 am

Subject: Re: OCD

Lindsey has OCD

Lindsey's was so bad at one point her psychologist said she was very

close to

being put in the hospital.

Here are some things that Lindsey did. She is on Risperdal now and

it has helped

so much!!!!!

When Lindsey woke up she had to check to make sure all the doors are

shut then

presses on them,and the lights. Theres a certain light she had to

have on. The

chairs had to be right too. She would also line up the shoes and

know right away

if one has been touched.

She also had to touched something over and over. These things would

go on ALL

day.

OCD is something that really interfered with her life. She could not

finish a

meal because someone left a door open,and she could think of NOTHING

but that

door.

She NEEDED to do these things to make her feel good for a brief

period until the

urge took over again.Its like needing a drug and not feeling right

until you

have it.

She's had alot of tics also,so the Dr is calling it Tourettes. We

see the

Psychiatrist every 2 months and was seeing a psychologist once a

week, at my

house and at school.

There was a time that instead of playing at the park she would fix

every ones

shoes instead, or at a restaurant she would have to fix all the

chairs,sometimes

before the person has barely gotten out of his chair,but for the

most part she

would refrain from OCD until she gets home and then it explodes.

Last year at

school she fixed all the chairs and thats it! but at home ,she could

barely eat

because the OCD was so strong. Her worse OCD behavior was

saying " sorry mom " I

cant even tell you how severe this was,I have her on tape but I

can't even watch

it. Not only did she say " sorry mom " 100 times a day, she needed me

to respond a

certain way.

This is the OCD that I know about! Nothing to do with your

situation,but I just

wanted to share. I do not know all the types of OCD.

OCD runs in my family,so that and having apraxia could play a part,I

guess?

Jennie

mom to Lindsey- age 7

November 10, 2003

,

Did you have him evaluated by a Pediatric Neurologist or a Developmental Ped?

~K

[ ] showing signs of aspergers

Hi

I have not been on the site for a long time. Smauel is now eight

years old and is improving all the time. He can be understood about

30% of the time by strangers and 80% of the time by family and

friends. He is reading well but only when he wants to. He writes a

lot and I find it interesting that when he is angry he talks better

and I know this is because he is not thinking what he is doing, he

also writes really well when he is angry.

My concern is that from a very young age he has collected junk mail,

his communication tool. Now he is obsessed with it and I have to

celan his room every day with all the junk that he colelcts from

school mail boxe and from Nana and Gran who will give him their junk

mail too. If we go anywhere in the weekend he will find real estate

stands, car sale magazines, adfvertisers in shops, paint sample

colours, anything that is free. He has to talk to himself to stop

himself doing it. I will say no junk today no papers and he will

walk along saying no stuff no stuff and hold his hands in his

pockets, no stuff a mum? He is also obsessed with water and I must

have the cleanest bathroom in the world every night the floor gets

washed and we don't have a bath just a shower he gets in and out and

plays in the sink with the water, last night he washed his clothes

in the bathroom sink and there was a huge mess. He squeezes soap

down the plug hold and squirts shampoo out by the bottleful. We

usually take the shampoo out when he is in the shower but I think I

must have shares in the shampoo and soap market!

He is just beginning to realise I think that his language is not the

smae as all the other kids his age and is really frustrated, he is

biting which he has never done, hitting and kicking the kids at

school and his older sister at home. He told his Sunday School

teacher he did not like school and she asked him if there was

anything he liked about school and he yelled " people are mean to me

you know! " what more could she say. I know this is happening but it

is not often he is happy to go to school and says he has had a good

day so I am wondering if the children are saying that he is hitting

them to get him in trouble because he has limited language.

HELP! HELP! HELP! HELP!

I AM GOING INSAME!

Is this normal behaviour or am I looking at something other than

dyspraxis!!

Michele

November 11, 2003

Hi Michele,

I found your last post very interesting, mainly because it was a mirror

image of my younger brother in many ways. Although my brother did not have

any problem with his speech, he did " collect " and the bathroom scenario was

my brothers behaviour to T. Being a teenager at the time and spending a lot

of money on shampoo ect, there where times i wanted to strangle him when i

would come home and yet another bottle had gone down the drain. In my

brothers case most of his behaviour stemmed from school, it was not the best

of schools, in a tough area and he was basically a sensitive child. His

primary school day were a ordeal to say the least, i feel now that his

behaviour in the past was his own little way of control ing his world. I

dont know your child , but maybe school has to be looked at, if he has

always been happy there before. I'd just like to add, my brother now has a

great job and is probably the most intelligent member of the family, and he

never even looked at a book properly until about the age of ten. Take care

and keep hiding the shampoo for a few more years yet, we did! Jane.

November 11, 2003

Hi Jane

Thanks for that it is good to hear he is doing similar things to

other children. I live in New Zealand and the school my children

attended two years ago was fantastic and it was closed down along

with 8 other schools in our area. We sent them to a school close to

where we live and last year was a living hell he had a teacher who

did not understand him and so ignored him for the year. This year

his teacher seems ok but cannot cope with his behaviour at the

moment. He only has six weeks of school to go until our summer

holidays. I am a trained early childhood teacher and for the last

18 months I was working as an early intervention teacher with

special needs children, now I work from home and run education

programmes with foster pre school children. It is great because I

can be at home at the beginning and end of the day. He does not

appear to be bothered about going to school and says he has had a

good day when I pick him up. He is very intelligent and can read we

think quite well but because his language is still not very clear it

is difficult to know how well. He knows his way around a computer

and that must be a good thing.

Thanks again for your reply. Does your brother have a diagnosis?

I will keep hiding the shampoo. Thanks

Michele

In , " jane " <jane@l...> wrote:

> Hi Michele,

> I found your last post very interesting, mainly because it was a

mirror

> image of my younger brother in many ways. Although my brother did

not have

> any problem with his speech, he did " collect " and the bathroom

scenario was

> my brothers behaviour to T. Being a teenager at the time and

spending a lot

> of money on shampoo ect, there where times i wanted to strangle

him when i

> would come home and yet another bottle had gone down the drain. In

my

> brothers case most of his behaviour stemmed from school, it was

not the best

> of schools, in a tough area and he was basically a sensitive

child. His

> primary school day were a ordeal to say the least, i feel now that

his

> behaviour in the past was his own little way of control ing his

world. I

> dont know your child , but maybe school has to be looked at, if he

has

> always been happy there before. I'd just like to add, my brother

now has a

> great job and is probably the most intelligent member of the

family, and he

> never even looked at a book properly until about the age of ten.

Take care

> and keep hiding the shampoo for a few more years yet, we did!

Jane.

November 11, 2003