Re: Jackie

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My Crystal light has 0 carbs 0 sugars and 0 protiens and every body is

diff i dont retain water drinking soda maybe because i have drank diet

soda since i was 11. But everybody need to test and try there own way

simalar to he aspartame some ppl find it retains wieght or watr but

with me it doesnt.

--- Jmd6789@... wrote:

> From: Jmd6789@...

>

> Hi..... Caffine free diet soda retains water,hence

> retains weight....I would

> check out the lemonade and other things you drink

> for carbo content...Water

> is free and the best...........even tho I don't like

> it !!!! Judi

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I don't like water either, well I do now. Try adding a lemon rind or zest

of lemon from the rind to the water and drink it cold. Once you get into

the plan, you will start craving water and you will find yourself very

thirsty. I drink over 100 oz per day!

Chris

[Guest guest]

HI ya pete, This afternoon I'm feeling better, thanks

Tired, but OK. And I've been following the diet, by eating lots of eggs.

I was glad for that. I'm ending the Induction Diet today, and am

wondering if I should continue at a low carb... I like the weight loss so

far. Guess I'll go at it for 2 more weeks like this.

It would be nice to lose 30 more pounds like this, and then take the rest

off slower. I just can't wait to get to 30 more lbs!

Thanks for asking, and I hope you are doing *OK* TOO

Jackie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/27/99 5:37:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scj1@...

writes:

<< I hope

it works out ok, and that everything will be well soon! >>

Thank You Jackie,

Yes after this length of time I'm really getting concerned. None of the dr.s

saw anything in it, no scrathes and etc. However this last dr. did say he

could see the floater. Oh boy, thats great, since theres nothing that can be

done about them. LOL

Hows the mouth? I do hope you're doing better. I'm always so scared to go to

the dentist. I'm 63 and still have all my own teeth and I'm always so scared

that one of my visits he will say I need to have them all pulled. He's

already told me that I had to have oral surgery before I could ever be fitted

for a partial or plates. I just panic at the thought.

Also would you believe that I still have 20- 20 vision for far away. I only

need reading glasses. I'm happy about that too. I just hope it won't ever

change. Take care and thanks again for the concern.

Pete

[Guest guest]

DMSA does cross the blood brain barrier.

So I guess we disagree, which means that it depends on " who " you believe.

Jackie

> > thanks TK...BUT... I was happy myself to do a doctor's data

> >challenge test. Only in this way did I find out that I was

severely

> >environmentally mercury poisoned.

>

> I found out I was severely poisoned based on symptoms. When I

went

> through the list in Andy's book I think I came up with 99 %

chance of

> mercury poisoning, for me. It was quite mind bongling how many

of my

> symptoms fit. That was even before a hair test.

>

> > And it did give me a way of >measuring the difference after

> >chelation.

>

>

> This is what I was thinking at first too. Now I know that I will

be

> able to tell the difference by symptoms, before and after

chelation.

>

>

> > I guess it is to each there own. This other stuff makes no

sense

> >to me,

>

> The DMSA and DMPS challenge tests just get some of the loose

mercury

> in the kidneys and some other places. It doesn't give any idea

of how

> much mercury there is in the brain. So a person could have zero

> mercury coming out on a challenge, but lots of mercury in their

brain,

> and the challenge test doesn't help at all. The mercury in the

brain

> is what is causing lots of problems, but there is no way to

sample that.

> Just trying to help explain....

>

>

>

>

> > so I would do a dmsa challenge since one is taking it anyway.

> > Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What diet did you follow ?

(UK)

lindajaytee wrote:

>

> > based on knowing people that were very ill with mercury poisoning

> >and then taking DMSA and it getting 100% better Since our symtoms

> >are mostly caused by the mercury in the brain, then if they got

> >all better with DMSA...it surely must of gotten it out of the brain.

>

> I haven't met people who got better with DMSA alone. I have met

> people who got better with amalgam removal alone and others who got

> better with diet and supplements alone. Amalgam removal, diet and

> supplements likely won't help to remove mercury from the brain? So I

> guess I'm trying to say that I don't think all of our symptoms have to

> do with brain mercury. It depends on the person's circumstances.

> Just to give an example. I have had MS for about 14 years. All of my

> MS type neurological symptoms went away when I changed my diet and

> started taking supplements. There were times 14 years ago when I

> could barely walk. Before I changed my diet I was thinking of using a

> cane. After I changed my diet 5 years ago there was no way to tell

> that I had MS and I passed neurological exams with flying colors. One

> would think that neurological symptoms would have to do with mercury

> in my brain. Because of my experience I have come to the conclusion

> that my neurological symptoms had more to do with the damage that the

> mercury did to my body and that damage was at least partially healed

> by diet alone.

> If I had chelated with DMSA instead of changing my diet would I have

> still gotten better? I guess I'll never know for sure.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

The diet and supplements got rid of my neurological symptoms, but not

my endocrine problems. That's why I am chelating.

How are you doing now? Are you planning to chelate with DMSA?

I did 4 rounds at 25 mg DMSA and had significant side effects at the

end of each round. I did one round at 18 mg without the side effects.

So I plan to continue at that dose for a while. Overall I would say

that the DMSA is helping me, even at that small dose for such a short

time.

Best

> , my comments were not meant to imply that one should not take

other supplements nor that one should not have a good diet, nor that

all mercury symtoms are only from mercury in the brain.

> The people that I am referring too all had good diets and took

supplements. They got better on that alone but would not remain

constantly better...until they then took dmsa.

> Also I am not saying that one should take dmsa if one feels great. I

am saying how I got my " opinion " regarding dmsa.

> I do not just " trust " any doctor ever. For example I was told lots

of things by docs. I too was told I had MS, but I chose to believe

that that was not true, I just knew it was not the " right " answer. I

had right sided numbness that lasted for 3 years...all went away in 6

days on a Hulda e parasite cleanse. That is what worked for me

as far as that goes.. but that might not at all work for someone else.

This is obviously an example of something making me feel tons better,

but still not even touching the mercury. I had been told I had a non

operable tumer and that I should do a biopsy.. i.e. the neuro surgeon

said I must /should and begged me not to leave the hosipital.. I

chose to leave and get more information and not to just " believe " what

he was saying. I then went to the Mayo Clinic and this doc said with

the same MRI.. " I am so glad you did not do a biopsy, since I think

you have a congental vascular malformation and a biopsy would have

been deadly for you " . Again.. the point is that I don't just trust

someone because they are a doctor. I learned at a young age not to

from having a family member be destroyed by one.

> I was told again I had MS even after having tests showing how

mercury poisoned I was.. this made no sense to me, i.e. how could a

doctor still think I had MS when it was obvious that I was mercury

poisoned. To me it was just obvious that my MS like symptoms were

really mercury poisoning only.

> Some people get tons better yes from just amalgam removal as they

are highly allergic too to the substance. In fact down at the

Huggins/Morales clinic in Puerto Vallarta

> one woman arrived in a wheelchair that was told she had MS. They

removed all her mercury fillings and after she woke up she could walk

again.

> My one friend that was treating her mercury poisoning with just diet

and supplements did so for 10 years...with constant relapses. It was

not until she took dmsa that she said she was finally cured. So in

her case, since the diet and supplements did not handle her fully,

dmsa is what finally worked for her. She said she felt so good that

she didn't even feel that she needed her supplements anymore, but that

she knew she should take them anyways. Of course I was extremely happy

to hear that she got completely cured. If someone feels completely

cured on diet and supplements alone, I can see why they wouldn't feel

that dmsa is necessary.

> Jackie

[Guest guest]

I sure am glad to hear that I am not the only one using such small

doses. I started at 25 mg, bumped it to 33, and OUCH! Now I am

back at 25 mg again. Currently on round 6. I haven't added ALA yet,

I want to wait another month or so.

M

> > , my comments were not meant to imply that one should not

take

> other supplements nor that one should not have a good diet, nor

that

> all mercury symtoms are only from mercury in the brain.

> > The people that I am referring too all had good diets and took

> supplements. They got better on that alone but would not remain

> constantly better...until they then took dmsa.

> > Also I am not saying that one should take dmsa if one feels

great. I

> am saying how I got my " opinion " regarding dmsa.

> > I do not just " trust " any doctor ever. For example I was told

lots

> of things by docs. I too was told I had MS, but I chose to believe

> that that was not true, I just knew it was not the " right "

answer. I

> had right sided numbness that lasted for 3 years...all went away

in 6

> days on a Hulda e parasite cleanse. That is what worked for

me

> as far as that goes.. but that might not at all work for someone

else.

> This is obviously an example of something making me feel tons

better,

> but still not even touching the mercury. I had been told I had a

non

> operable tumer and that I should do a biopsy.. i.e. the neuro

surgeon

> said I must /should and begged me not to leave the hosipital.. I

> chose to leave and get more information and not to just " believe "

what

> he was saying. I then went to the Mayo Clinic and this doc said

with

> the same MRI.. " I am so glad you did not do a biopsy, since I think

> you have a congental vascular malformation and a biopsy would have

> been deadly for you " . Again.. the point is that I don't just trust

> someone because they are a doctor. I learned at a young age not to

> from having a family member be destroyed by one.

> > I was told again I had MS even after having tests showing how

> mercury poisoned I was.. this made no sense to me, i.e. how could a

> doctor still think I had MS when it was obvious that I was mercury

> poisoned. To me it was just obvious that my MS like symptoms were

> really mercury poisoning only.

> > Some people get tons better yes from just amalgam removal as they

> are highly allergic too to the substance. In fact down at the

> Huggins/Morales clinic in Puerto Vallarta

> > one woman arrived in a wheelchair that was told she had MS. They

> removed all her mercury fillings and after she woke up she could

walk

> again.

> > My one friend that was treating her mercury poisoning with just

diet

> and supplements did so for 10 years...with constant relapses. It

was

> not until she took dmsa that she said she was finally cured. So

in

> her case, since the diet and supplements did not handle her fully,

> dmsa is what finally worked for her. She said she felt so good

that

> she didn't even feel that she needed her supplements anymore, but

that

> she knew she should take them anyways. Of course I was extremely

happy

> to hear that she got completely cured. If someone feels completely

> cured on diet and supplements alone, I can see why they wouldn't

feel

> that dmsa is necessary.

> > Jackie

[Guest guest]

Jackie. I certainly appreciate that some of your friends have gotten

better with DMSA alone, and I'm glad they did. Still, that doesn't mean

that they succeeded in taking the mercury out of the brain. Different

symptoms are associated with mercury in different locations. And taking

the load off in one area helps us compensate in others. I for example,

feel quite normal if I take 30gm of vitamin C per day. But I'm quite

sure the vitamin C is not chelating me - even my body.

As for the opinion of these doctors, well. Your later email said all

that needed to be said. Look, I know how this world works. If these

guys get past the title and delve into the abstract, they think they've

really done a good job of exploring that paper. And they all read the

same damn books and trust no one but each other. It's no wonder they

all say the same thing!

You've really got to rely on yourself in this. You'll find AM one of

the few places where open debate about the nitty gritty details of the

relevant papers is to be found. If you read it, I think you'll be quite

capable of understaning. I mean, how many degrees did Brokovitch

have? She just learned along the way; and that's what most of us have

done. Now that we have, most of us are confident that, in this area at

least, we know more than 99.9% of the doctors out there.

(And I'm more than confident, because I used to teach those people who

became the doctors, and some of my friends went that route themselves.

Let's just say that I've met more intellectually active folks in my

life!

Dave.

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:58:17 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: Jackie

, my comments were not meant to imply that one should not take

other supplements nor that one should not have a good diet, nor that all

mercury symtoms are only from mercury in the brain.

The people that I am referring too all had good diets and took

supplements. They got better on that alone but would not remain

constantly better...until they then took dmsa.

Also I am not saying that one should take dmsa if one feels great. I am

saying how I got my " opinion " regarding dmsa.

I do not just " trust " any doctor ever. For example I was told lots of

things by docs. I too was told I had MS, but I chose to believe that

that was not true, I just knew it was not the " right " answer. I had

right sided numbness that lasted for 3 years...all went away in 6 days

on a Hulda e parasite cleanse. That is what worked for me as far

as that goes.. but that might not at all work for someone else. This is

obviously an example of something making me feel tons better, but still

not even touching the mercury. I had been told I had a non operable

tumer and that I should do a biopsy.. i.e. the neuro surgeon said I must

/should and begged me not to leave the hosipital.. I chose to leave and

get more information and not to just " believe " what he was saying. I

then went to the Mayo Clinic and this doc said with the same MRI.. " I am

so glad you did not do a biopsy, since I think you have a congental

vascular malformation and a biopsy would have been deadly for you "

.. Again.. the point is that I don't just trust someone because they are

a doctor. I learned at a young age not to from having a family member

be destroyed by one.

I was told again I had MS even after having tests showing how mercury

poisoned I was.. this made no sense to me, i.e. how could a doctor still

think I had MS when it was obvious that I was mercury poisoned. To me

it was just obvious that my MS like symptoms were really mercury

poisoning only.

Some people get tons better yes from just amalgam removal as they are

highly allergic too to the substance. In fact down at the

Huggins/Morales clinic in Puerto Vallarta

one woman arrived in a wheelchair that was told she had MS. They

removed all her mercury fillings and after she woke up she could walk

again.

My one friend that was treating her mercury poisoning with just diet and

supplements did so for 10 years...with constant relapses. It was not

until she took dmsa that she said she was finally cured. So in her

case, since the diet and supplements did not handle her fully, dmsa is

what finally worked for her. She said she felt so good that she didn't

even feel that she needed her supplements anymore, but that she knew she

should take them anyways. Of course I was extremely happy to hear that

she got completely cured. If someone feels completely cured on diet and

supplements alone, I can see why they wouldn't feel that dmsa is

necessary.

Jackie

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:15:49 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: Jackie

Hi Dave,

It is based on what I was told by several doctors, including Hal

Huggins. All of the doctors that I spoke to were also not just lazy

uninformed people, so I didn't ask to hav e them please show me the

scientific documents. I am not a doctor myself.

Then it is my opinion that they are correct, based on knowing people

that were very ill with mercury poisoning and then taking DMSA and it

getting 100% better Since our symtoms are mostly caused by the mercury

in the brain, then if they got all better with DMSA...it surely must

of gotten it out of the brain.

My opinion is then also based on my own experience of taking it. When

I take DMSA it sure feels like something is going on in my brain.

If DMSA didn't cross the blood brain barrier then it would be hard to

understand how some people got 100% better from taking it. And that

being without ALA.

There is major concern for truth!!!

Jackie

Re: Jackie

Jackie. Since there has been extensive informed discussion on this

issue on the Autism-Mercury site, discussion that is easy to find

using

the search engine onibasu.com, I wonder if you would be willing to

tell

us the source of your information? Is it just hearsay? And if so,

how

confident are you of their being informed? And on what basis? Is

this

just a shoving match, or is there some concern for truth here?

Dave.