Re: Re: Our Deadly Diabetes Deception

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In a message dated 9/30/2004 5:18:42 PM Central Standard Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> But if you start

> eating like " normals " -- you very quickly learn that you still have

> diabetes. Unless you pretend you don't have it and never check your BGs

> and eat like a " normal. " Then the complications will eventually accrue

> and they are Very, Very Unpleasant.

>

I too read the article....and agree with Vicky

Once I went to my endo and my AC1 was hoving around 6. He said that was

great...I asked him if I was no longer a diabetic...he looked at me over his

glasses and the chart and said " No...you are a well controlled diabetic..but

still a diabetic. "

The evidence is there everytime I eat ice cream and don't run my buns off

after.....

Ressy

[Guest guest]

IMHO, doctors who tell diabetics their diabetes is cured should have

their licenses taken away for malpractice. At the very least.

Vicki

Re: Our Deadly Diabetes Deception

> Vicki,

> I agree... I used to have an exercise list, and one of the

> women on my list said she took some mineral concoction that

> " cured " her diabetes, and she got very miffed when I told

> her that was impossible, that she could " control " it but not

> cure it. She said the doctors had told her she no longer

> had diabetes.

>

> Sandy

> -------------------

> There is NO alternative -- or any other kind of " cure "

> for diabetes. Period. You

> can get it under control...you can be a well controlled

> diabetic with

> nondiabetic " normal " numbers -- that's what I do. But if

> you start

> eating like " normals " -- you very quickly learn that you

> still have

> diabetes.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I recently read that a person's receptors are constantly dying and growing

back. When you have diabetes, they gradually stop growing back.

If your diabetes is genetic, they never grow back.

If your diabetes is not genetic, then they may grow back if you lose weight

and I don't remember if it included exercise too.

I heard a doctor on TV say that if your diabetes was caused by obesity then

losing the weight would cure it which is the same thing the paragraph above

is saying.

Naturally, if they gain the weight back, I'm sure the diabetes comes back.

Maybe it is something along the line of gestational diabetes which is cured

as soon as the baby is born. My daughter had that and was told she really

had to be careful of her weight and exercise because she would probably get

diabetes in the future. Taking care of herself might extend the time before

she gets it.

Re: Our Deadly Diabetes Deception

I agree, but I had to wonder if that was just the way this

person took it. I couldn't imagine any doctor actually

saying that she was cured of diabetes.

Sandy

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[Guest guest]

> At our last meeting of the diabetic group the dietician said it does

> affect blood sugar levels.

The dietician was wrong. He should have said that weight loss " can " affect

BG levels. Remember, many dieticians and even CDEs are often simply

parroting what they learned in school, sometimes many years ago.

In some people, weight loss brings dramatic improvement. One guy lost 90

pounds and after that, he had difficulty getting his BG levels over 100 no

matter how much he ate.

In other people, weight loss has almost no effect at all except that people

feel better.

It depends on how many beta cells you have left when you're diagnosed, which

is one reason to emphasize early diagnosis.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Glory: there are many reasons to pursue weight loss. Just because it

may or may not affect one's diabetes does not make it something not to

bother with. After losing half my body weight I do feel it was very

worthwhile as my joints are so much better without all the extra stress

that my arthritis is much much less of a problem. Whereas I used to

have to take 50mg of Vioxx every day just to barely function I no longer

need it at all. I can walk much easier for short distances with just my

cane instead of needing my rollator for everything.

I also love looking better & younger & being able to buy stylish

clothing more easily. Superficial yes but important too.

However as I said before I was a happy fat woman too & was comfortable

within myself being fat. If not for the need to modify my diet for the

diabetes, I would never have started losing. I am fortunate in that I

have a somewhat normal metabolism & lose as easily as I gain & I am also

fortunate that I am not a sweet lover so never had to suffer those

withdrawal pains. However it takes strict attention to detail to

maintain this way of life/eating & the dm forces me to do this on a

daily basis. No strictly weight loss plan/reason would ever have given

this kind of motivation to me. So altho the dm does not benefit

directly from my weight loss, the weight loss benefits directly from my

having dm <g>

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

9/04:145 lbs (highest weight 309) 5'/age 66

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