Re: Apraxia and salivation?

[Guest guest]

Hello Mari

Yes, my son still to this day seems to have too much saliva. I think he

does not swallow as much as he should. It seems he is not aware of it.

When he was younger I would remind him to swallow, the slp said I should.

He actually drooled up until age 3 1/2 or so. He seems more aware now but

yes it is noticeable & sometimes affects his speech.

Tammy I. in FL mom to 5 1/2 oral & verbal apraxia

From: " heygot2gonow " <emmy@...>

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Subject: [ ] Apraxia and salivation?

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:02:28 -0000

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mari,

Yes my dd is now 3.9 yo and it was only a few months ago that I noticed that

she was still deooling and that when I thaught about it shw was drooling/ or

had the excess saliva sitting around her mouth for awhile before. She was very

late on the sucking out of a straw because of the oral motor problems and had

just started to suck from a straw probably about 2 months ago. I have

watched her saliva intently and found that it DECREASED ever since she started

sucking. Maybe this was a coincidence with my dd because I don't know if you

son

uses a straw or not but I believe that that is what helped her. Hope this

gives you something to try. LOL Traci (Mom to ann 3.9 Apraxia/DSI and

Auditory dysfunction)

[Guest guest]

Mari,

My son also seems to pool his saliva (he just turned 9). One Doctor's

theory was that it took longer for his mouth to realize that it was time

to swallow? The low tone in his mouth made him less aware that it was

full of saliva and should swallow. We mentioned it to his regular

pediatrician, his Developmental Pediatrician, his neurologist, and his

Nutritionist, and none of them were concerned or gave any practical

advice.

As a gentle reminder, and not to embarrass him in front of others, we

would wait til he was looking at us (or just say his name) and then just

tap our index finger on our chin. This would mean, swallow. We showed

his teacher as well, so that if he was talking or reading in class, she

could just tap her finger when she could hear that his mouth was full of

saliva and then he would swallow and continue speaking.

Liz Dunn -- Mom to , just turned 9, dx: oromotor dyspraxia

heygot2gonow wrote:

> Hi Listmates,

>

> Have any of you noticed some type of " excess salivation " in your

> child? The type that may somewhat interfere with his ability to

> speak/articulate?

>

> Lately, I have noticed my son will have what looks to be like excess

> saliva in the front teeth area. This happens on and off, like a

> little " pool of saliva " , no drooling at all (never has had this

> problem), looks like he can control it as well--but I am not sure why

> this is happening since I had never noticed it before. In fact, I

> just noticed it a month ago, but it is very sporadic. I am wondering

> if it has anything to do with Apraxia...

>

> Thanks in advance for any info. you are able to share!

> Mari

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

As you know as a member who has been around for a bit (and one I

know from NJ!) this topic has come around before. I love your

suggestion of the chin tap for the older child -perhaps the one I

was told for Dakota works best for a preschool child. If this topic

is relevant you may want to read on. I found this archive from October

with lots of information and links in it and hope it helps someone!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start archive message

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:07 pm

Subject: Re: excess saliva

Hi diapermom 2!

You don't say your child's age since some aspects may be

developmental, but based on your email name of diapermom -I guess

either your son is young has potty delays.

I do understand your son has saliva just sitting/pooling in the

mouth and he's either not swallowing often enough, which is

also part of what can happen when a child drools too even though

your son is not drooling, or his body is producing more saliva than

he really needs. Unfortunately the former (drooling) is yet another

one that I can relate to with my oldest son, and fortunately this

too did pass!

You first want to rule out there are no medical, physical etc

reasons for too much saliva in the mouth.

http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

http://www.technologyandlanguage.com/presentations/drooling/

http://www.duit.uwa.edu.au/web/inclusion/disability/saliva.html

There are medications (and probably nutritional interventions as

well!) to reduce saliva in the mouth if that is the reason.

http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

I also read there can be psychological triggers of too much saliva -

such as nervousness. So could be a number of reasons. Again

however you are the first to mention too much saliva here...without

the

drooling part.

In addition to discussing with your child's MD, as well as

specialists such as ENTs, which I highly recommend -perhaps some of

the strategies for droolers will work for your child in the meantime?

The following are two or three archived messages from about 2 years

ago. This never came up before either because it's not common for a

child to have lots of saliva in their mouth and not drool -or most

don't want to talk about it -so the archives are on drooling.

As far as drooling -Tanner never really went thought even

the 'normal' drooping stage -Dakota made up for that big time -but

has not drooled at all for years. Therapy deals with lots of stuff,

strategies help cover what therapy misses -this is yet another

example. Hope some of the following can help.

From: "

[Guest guest]

does your son have low muscle tone? Many times with low muscle tone in the

face/mouth, you may see that, or some mild drooling......just a thought.....

~K

[ ] Apraxia and salivation?

Hi Listmates,

Have any of you noticed some type of " excess salivation " in your

child? The type that may somewhat interfere with his ability to

speak/articulate?

Lately, I have noticed my son will have what looks to be like excess

saliva in the front teeth area. This happens on and off, like a

little " pool of saliva " , no drooling at all (never has had this

problem), looks like he can control it as well--but I am not sure why

this is happening since I had never noticed it before. In fact, I

just noticed it a month ago, but it is very sporadic. I am wondering

if it has anything to do with Apraxia...

Thanks in advance for any info. you are able to share!

Mari

[Guest guest]

There is a therapy that uses the theory of ring muscles to help with saliva and

bedwetting. Try doing a search for ring muscles on or google. Let me

know if you can't find it and I will look.

Shalom,

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I also produce excessive saliva; in my case it is a sign of an

autoimmune condition (I have lupus). Since these kids have so many

indications of inflammatory or toxic conditions, we shouldn't be

surprised if the salivary glands are also affected.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Tammy Ingram wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hi Mari,

You asked about excess salivation and apraxia. My son, Cole, almost 2, has

always had alot of saliva and drooled unbelievably. For him it is mainly on one

side and I can see by looking at him that that side of his mouth has lower

muscle tone (he was also diagnosed with oral aprxia. When he " speaks " he tends

not to move his mouth very much. The amount of saliva even though it is alot,

does tend to vary such as when he was teething (naturally). I'm also not sure

why he does this but he loves to suck on blankets at bedtime and needless to say

that after a nap or by morning they are really really wet.

When Cole was evaluated by the SLP she gave me a few exercises to do (oral) with

him such as pushing my finger from his chin to his mouth, from the cheekbone to

his mouth and from the base of the ear to his mouth, in order for him to be more

conscious of his mouth's position (i.e open).

Food for thought,

Sincerely,

Anita

[Guest guest]

So what do you do about this? Because you have an autoimmune

condition does that mean you have to be careful of vitamins or

anything else?

> I also produce excessive saliva; in my case it is a sign of an

> autoimmune condition (I have lupus).

[Guest guest]

So what do you do about this? Because you have an autoimmune

condition does that mean you have to be careful of vitamins or

anything else?

> I also produce excessive saliva; in my case it is a sign of an

> autoimmune condition (I have lupus).

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

You might want to check out the article of proglantins on my website. It goes

into detail about inflammatory agents. Go to www.shalomranch.org and look for

Prostaglandins, Omega and brain function. The reading is a little heavy, but

worth it.

HTH.

Shalom Aleichem,

Lynn

Re: [ ] Apraxia and salivation?

I also produce excessive saliva; in my case it is a sign of an

autoimmune condition (I have lupus). Since these kids have so many

indications of inflammatory or toxic conditions, we shouldn't be

surprised if the salivary glands are also affected.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Tammy Ingram wrote:

[Guest guest]

Anita said:

" For him it is mainly on one side and I can see by looking at him

that that side of his mouth has lower muscle tone (he was also

diagnosed with oral aprxia. When he " speaks " he tends not to move his

mouth very much...the SLP gave me a few exercises to do (oral) with

him such as pushing my finger from his chin to his mouth, from the

cheekbone to his mouth and from the base of the ear to his mouth, in

order for him to be more conscious of his mouth's position (i.e

open) " .

Hi Anita,

Yes, I have noticed my son has slighthly low muscle tone around the

jaw/lip area--when he speaks does not open his mouth much either...

Strange that one of his SLP's never mentioned anything about

this...but like I said, I did not noticed the " salivation " until

about two months ago.

We have implemented a few similar exercises (which we used to do over

a year ago and somehow it was dropped after we noticed his mouth/lip

sensitivities were no longer a problem) and hope this will assist

with the saliva thing. Like I said it is noy very apparent, but

seems like it is getting in the way of his becoming more verbal.

He is (in my opinion) severely apraxic, although only diagnosed as

having Dyspraxia of Speech. He is also HFA (high functioning

autism). He is doing really well, but the apraxia is the biggest

obstacle for him. Fortunately, he is very cooperative (most of the

time) and quite a quick learner. We just have to find a way to get

him to overcome the apraxia so he can then be fully verbal. Things

are getting better and he is getting there, but " expressively " it has

been a slow road...

I have read the posts from all the wonderful listmates about the kids

somewhat " forgetting to swallow " and will try to implement the " draw

finger on throat motion " to see if this helps as well. I will also

do a search on the Ring muscles--never heard of it. BTW, he drinks

from a straw without any problems (I think someone mentioned this on

one of the replies).

Thanks so much for everyone's input!

Mari

(son 3.10 yrs old ASD-HFA and Apraxia)

[Guest guest]

I do have allergies but the vitamins are good for me, generally

speaking. See other post re allergies. I swallow, that's what I do, I

don't drool, but then I am not a little kid, LOL. I have to be careful

when I am speaking, too.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:06 PM, fleenorap wrote:

> So what do you do about this? Because you have an autoimmune

> condition does that mean you have to be careful of vitamins or

> anything else?

>

>

>

>

>> I also produce excessive saliva; in my case it is a sign of an

>> autoimmune condition (I have lupus).

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lynn. The lupus is mostly in remission. It turned out in my

case to be secondary to a genetic immune deficiency, CVID with

Selective IgA deficiency (as well as IgG deficiency). When you don't

have any immunoglobulin A, which is the body's primary mucosal defense,

you tend to develop a lot of allergies because the large molecules get

through and create immune complexes. But still, today, when the

dentist was working on preparing my teeth for a new bridge, the

excessive salivation was obvious.

It may also be interesting to note that I had a ranula, a sublingual

salivary gland cyst that swelled up like a frog's throat (hence the

name) when I was 20 after they put in some big mercury fillings...that

was the first time any of my salivary gland was obviously affected.

I am now treated with gammaglobulin weekly for the immune deficiency

and my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies, a lupus screening test), has gone

down into the normal range after being positive for seven straight

years. And that's in spite of the fact that they can't replace the

IgA. Chronic infections will also cause inflammation.

Hey, now, that is really interesting about the Irish connection...yeah

I'm Irish. I have been taking the ProEFA BTW, but only for a couple of

months.

No problem about the reading, I have a PhD in biology LOL

Peace and all good,

Kathy E.

On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:11 PM, & Lynn Sherwood wrote:

> Kathy,

> You might want to check out the article of proglantins on my website.

> It goes into detail about inflammatory agents. Go to

> www.shalomranch.org and look for Prostaglandins, Omega and brain

> function. The reading is a little heavy, but worth it.

>

> HTH.

>

> Shalom Aleichem,

> Lynn